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    I’m looking to build or buy a real high end 10.5” truck gun. I want to start it as a pistol, but will SBR it immediately. Im torn between 300 Blk and .223. I want a ~1 moa gun. Will be used for yotes, plinking, etc.

    Give me a parts list that would accomplish this goal.
    My first thought is a Seekins CQ PDW. I’ve been out of the AR world for several years and it’s almost overwhelming how many AR manufacturers there are now.
     
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    Sig MCX, good luck finding one....

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    Shanerbanner10 said:
    I’m looking to build or buy a real high end 10.5” truck gun. I want to start it as a pistol, but will SBR it immediately. Im torn between 300 Blk and .223. I want a ~1 moa gun. Will be used for yotes, plinking, etc.
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    Except for up close & personal social interactions, I prefer a 14.5" gun any day over a 10.5" for uses that you stated, with a LPVO, but to each his own.

    Easy way is just get a BCM complete upper with their BCG & CH; they gas them correctly & they work, & build the lower as you prefer, maybe on a KAC or a San Tan. The BCM upper might be not true MOA, but will be close enough, & what you building doesn't really lend itself to being MOA in real life use anyway, IMO.

    Options abound.

    Only other comment after using a couple is that DLC BCG's don't suck, chrome doesn't either (Young Mfg.), FWIW.

    MM
     
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    BCM has a dedicated 10.5" 5.56 upper that was in one of the magazines months ago but I've never seen it offered on their website. I have a BCM 10.5" upper on an Aero lower with a Sig red dot. Shoots pretty well for a short barrel. It's a pistol now but will some day SBR it. It's my truck gun. Definitely NOT MOA. More like MOM (min of man).
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    MontanaMan said:
    Except for up close & personal social interactions, I prefer a 14.5" gun any day over a 10.5" for uses that you stated, with a LPVO, but to each his own.

    Easy way is just get a BCM complete upper with their BCG & CH; they gas them correctly & they work, & build the lower as you prefer, maybe on a KAC or a San Tan. The BCM upper might be not true MOA, but will be close enough, & what you building doesn't really lend itself to being MOA in real life use anyway, IMO.

    Options abound.

    Only other comment after using a couple is that DLC BCG's don't suck, chrome doesn't either (Young Mfg.), FWIW.

    MM
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    I may randomly throw my tangent on it to shoot far but it’d be rare.
     
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    steelcomp said:
    BCM has a dedicated 10.5" 5.56 upper that was in one of the magazines months ago but I've never seen it offered on their website. I have a BCM 10.5" upper on an Aero lower with a Sig red dot. Shoots pretty well for a short barrel. It's a pistol now but will some day SBR it. It's my truck gun. Definitely NOT MOA. More like MOM (min of man).View attachment 7411412
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    Big advantage of a pistol is that in most non-commi states it can be legally carried loaded and accesable in your vehicle if you have your CCW permit. SBR, not so much.

    OFG
     
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    oldfatguy said:
    Big advantage of a pistol is that in most non-commi states it can be legally carried loaded and accesable in your vehicle if you have your CCW permit. SBR, not so much.

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    That is highly dependable on the state & exactly how their regs are written.............many have a overall length requirement, most being 26" max., to be considered as a pistol allowed to be carried & covered by a CPL for transportation purposes.

    If the gun is over that length, even though it's registered as a pistol, for transportation purposes, it's a rifle & does not qualify under your CPL permit.

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    Suppressed 9" 300blk BCM SBR w/ LAW Tactical Folder. Small enough to fit inside small backpack and movie style quiet with subsonics which may prove beneficial in an urban environment if you have to go mobile and abandon vehicle.
     
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    I’m currently building a similar truck gun, decided on 300 BLK pistol as the most versatile option. Ordered a Halo 10 through Androcorp. I chose the 10.5” barrel for a bit more velocity for using supers, and added the LAW folder for the extra compactness and upgraded a couple of other components. This is not what I would consider a real high end option, but it’s a 300 BLK after all and minute of yote is plenty good enough for offhand shooting.
     
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    MontanaMan said:
    That is highly dependable on the state & exactly how their regs are written.............many have a overall length requirement, most being 26" max., to be considered as a pistol allowed to be carried & covered by a CPL for transportation purposes.
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    That's MIchigan. No one else has that goofy definition of a pistol that I know of.

    Even if five or six more states did too, that leaves a shitload of states where an AR pistol is just that: a pistol, and can be carried loaded in your car.

    And let's not forget that an AR pistol can be built/purchased legally in most states without even the intervention of an FFL (through private purchase of the lower), let alone the feds.
     
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    MontanaMan said:
    That is highly dependable on the state & exactly how their regs are written.............many have a overall length requirement, most being 26" max., to be considered as a pistol allowed to be carried & covered by a CPL for transportation purposes.

    If the gun is over that length, even though it's registered as a pistol, for transportation purposes, it's a rifle & does not qualify under your CPL permit.

    MM
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    That's why he said "in most non commie states". ;)
     
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    SOLGW, LMT for cheaper options without sacrificing quality.
    Otherwise KAC, Noveske.

    Nothing is in stock anywhere so best of luck, get whatever is available and isn’t complete shit.
     
    #22
    If you want to hunt animals with it forget the combat rifle builders using chrome lined barrels. A 223 wylde will be more accurate than a 300 BO. Stainless barrels are only 30-32 Rockwell so they will not last half as long as a melonite treated barrel, and melonite does not lessen accuracy like chrome does.
     
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    Regarding what’s in stock:

    You don’t have to settle.

    I’m building guns right now and finding the individual components isn’t too hard. I’m making ZERO compromises on what I want.

    Find all your components and assemble them (or send out for assembly if needed).

    Don’t compromise on what you want just because assembled rifles are out of stock.

    Regarding accuracy:

    As I said above, you’ll need a match grade barrel.

    With RARE exceptions, people aren’t getting the kind of accuracy you’re looking for In 300BO.
    .223/5.56 or 6.5 Grendel are much better options if accuracy is a priority.

    Several guys will be along shortly to tell you anecdotes about accurate 300BO guns, and they’re not wrong, but they ARE anecdotes.
     
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    Constructor said:
    If you want to hunt animals with it forget the combat rifle builders using chrome lined barrels. A 223 wylde will be more accurate than a 300 BO. Stainless barrels are only 30-32 Rockwell so they will not last half as long as a melonite treated barrel, and melonite does not lessen accuracy like chrome does.
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    I'll be sure to pass this info along to the many animals that have died from CL barrels hanging off of "combat rifles". Apparently they can go back to living now.
     
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    Sixfivesavage said:
    I'll be sure to pass this info along to the many animals that have died from CL barrels hanging off of "combat rifles". Apparently they can go back to living now.
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    Look dumbass, I'm saying chromelined barrels in general are not as accurate as non chromlined barrels. Yes after producing over 60000 barrels I can say that with confidence.
     
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    Constructor said:
    Look dumbass, I'm saying chromelined barrels in general are not as accurate as non chromlined barrels. Yes after producing over 60000 barrels I can say that with confidence.
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    What you just said is true, however what you just said isn't what I quoted. You said to forget using CL bareles if you are going to hunt animals. The way that reads it implies that they're nowhere near acceptable accuracy wise to hunt with. That's simply not true. Saying I'm a dumbass doesn't change the fact that CL barrels are not so terrible that they can't be accurate. The animals that have died from a CL barrel wouldn't be more dead if they were shot with a SS barrel. I don’t care how many barrels you've produced, what your first statement implies isn't true. Your second statement is.
     
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    Constructor said:
    Look dumbass, I'm saying chromelined barrels in general are not as accurate as non chromlined barrels. Yes after producing over 60000 barrels I can say that with confidence.
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    Dumbass? Really? You think you're all that? I got news for you. I don't care who you think you are or how many barrels you've "produced", either (whatever that means)...but there's no call for that childishness.
    If all you wanted to say was that chrome lined barrels aren't as accurate as non chrome lined barrels, why didn't you just say that and to that I say, duh! We're talking truck gun here and if you can't kill an animal with the accuracy of a chrome lined barrel then maybe you should find another hobby.
    Some people.:mad:
     
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    Jackalope said:
    Here’s mine. 77TMK will do any job that needs done as far as I can shoot without magnification.

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    The modded CAR stock, cut down VFG and 20 round mag make it really small and compact. Rides nice in the truck. Just waiting on the suppressor.
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    I've got some 20 rnd mags. Gonna have to try that. I like it. (y) Looks like you have the sling in a two-point in one pic and one-point in the other. Do you have a preference with the SBR?
     
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    Mr. Zick said:
    The “MOM” is disappointing to hear. I’ve got an 11.5” BCM upper and Wes at MSTN is putting together a lower for me to put a SBPDW brace on. I’m hoping for ~2 moa with XM193 and a Razor red dot.
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    Well honestly I was sighting mine in at 100 yds with the Sig red dot and didn't have my shooting glasses. Sight pic wasn't that good with my old eyes and my "readers". I was also shooting off my back pack so I probably wasn't doing my job like I should have been. I think I was shooting PRIVI M193 but it was a last minute...I need to get this thing sighted in...grab the gear and go- type of afternoon. I was shooting 4-5" groups and trying pretty hard with the last few groups but never had a good sight pic. I'm betting it would be 2-3 moa on a bench, my good glasses and/or maybe a 10x scope. FWIW I wasn't getting the best results with my KAC either...just one of those days I guess.
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    cruiserweight said:
    SOLGW, LMT for cheaper options without sacrificing quality.
    Otherwise KAC, Noveske.

    Nothing is in stock anywhere so best of luck, get whatever is available and isn’t complete shit.
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    I still think the MCX is the best option and probably more reliable than anything on that list including KAC since Sig had to meet a 20,000 round suppressed without needing replacement parts reliability requirement for the SURG contract. SOCOM had to hold those trials 3 times because the requirements were so demanding that no one could meet them before Sig showed up with the MCX.
     
    #38
    Just finished my high end truck gun. I chose 300 blackout. Here's my parts list:

    Craddock/Bartlein 8" 1:8 barrel,
    SLR clamp-on adjustable gas block,
    Griffin Armament minimalist titanium brake,
    Brownells lightweight bcg,
    Maxim Defense CQB brace,
    JP silent captured spring,
    JP components trigger,
    Aero slick side upper,
    Aero M4E1 lower,
    Aero S-One handguard,
    V-Seven 57 degree safety selector,
    Ergo Shines low angle pistol grip.

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    It'll be wearing a Dead Air Nomad 30 as soon as it gets out of jail, and a Primary Arms Plx 1-8 Griffin Mil as soon as someone will sell me one.
     
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    Sixfivesavage said:
    What you just said is true, however what you just said isn't what I quoted. You said to forget using CL bareles if you are going to hunt animals. The way that reads it implies that they're nowhere near acceptable accuracy wise to hunt with. That's simply not true. Saying I'm a dumbass doesn't change the fact that CL barrels are not so terrible that they can't be accurate. The animals that have died from a CL barrel wouldn't be more dead if they were shot with a SS barrel. I don’t care how many barrels you've produced, what your first statement implies isn't true. Your second statement is.
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    How do you feel about using a sledgehammer to drive nails? How bout a dead blow? Probably not the right tools for the job, but you can do it.
     
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    Cheyenne Bodie said:
    How do you feel about using a sledgehammer to drive nails? How bout a dead blow? Probably not the right tools for the job, but you can do it.
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    I hear what you're saying, and I'm aware of the old adage of " sometimes it's entirely appropriate to kill a fly with a sledgehammer " but that's kind of apples and oranges in this example. This would be more along the lines of using an eastwing vs a no name claw hammer. They're both claw hammers and both sink nails. At any rate, it doesn't much matter, buy whatever you want and feel you need.
     
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    Sixfivesavage said:
    What you just said is true, however what you just said isn't what I quoted. You said to forget using CL bareles if you are going to hunt animals. The way that reads it implies that they're nowhere near acceptable accuracy wise to hunt with. That's simply not true. Saying I'm a dumbass doesn't change the fact that CL barrels are not so terrible that they can't be accurate. The animals that have died from a CL barrel wouldn't be more dead if they were shot with a SS barrel. I don’t care how many barrels you've produced, what your first statement implies isn't true. Your second statement is.
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    There are plenty of 1 MOA chrome linned barrels out there in the world. The suggestion that it's not enough accuracy to kill an animal is retarded as FK.
     
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    one thing all trucks in America need to all have protruding from the roof of your personal car :giggle::giggle::giggle::giggle: then you just need it to be remotely controlled from inside your armored love child and a flame kit protecting the doors lol what a great dream that would be. It would be your truck gun for all seasons or problems .
     
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    acudaowner said:
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    one thing all trucks in America need to all have protruding from the roof of your personal car :giggle::giggle::giggle::giggle: then you just need it to be remotely controlled from inside your armored love child and a flame kit protecting the doors lol what a great dream that would be. It would be your truck gun for all seasons or problems .
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    obviously the only way to go. wonder if they make a short barrel pistol brace version.
     
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    NateSavannah said:
    read thru the whole thread to see if anyone commented, they didnt, so ill bite. what say you makes a virtus better than 2 rifles combined? especially 2 of the best rifles you can get in the category?
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    Those rifle's weren't demanding $3,000 on Gunbroker not long ago. I believe the MCX maybe more reliable than DD or KAC the MCX had to meet a 20,000 round suppressed without needing replacement parts reliability requirement for the SURG contract it's a reliability standard the others can't meet and those trials were so demanding SOCOM had to hold them 3 times because until the Sig no one could meet the requirements. Also it has multi caliber capabilities, is designed around how we're using tactical carbines today vs an old design that's adapted for it, the ability to fold adds practicality for transport and concealabilty in a vehicle or a pack, it's a better platform for any user that plans to suppress, and in a short barrel configuration I believe it's the better option over DI.
     
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    Evolution 9 said:
    Regarding what’s in stock:

    You don’t have to settle.

    I’m building guns right now and finding the individual components isn’t too hard. I’m making ZERO compromises on what I want.

    Find all your components and assemble them (or send out for assembly if needed).

    Don’t compromise on what you want just because assembled rifles are out of stock.

    Regarding accuracy:

    As I said above, you’ll need a match grade barrel.

    With RARE exceptions, people aren’t getting the kind of accuracy you’re looking for In 300BO.
    .223/5.56 or 6.5 Grendel are much better options if accuracy is a priority.

    Several guys will be along shortly to tell you anecdotes about accurate 300BO guns, and they’re not wrong, but they ARE anecdotes.
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    Where are you finding parts? I can’t find shit and I’ve dealer accounts all over the place.
     
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    Odysseus1911 said:
    Just finished my high end truck gun. I chose 300 blackout. Here's my parts list:

    Craddock/Bartlein 8" 1:8 barrel,
    SLR clamp-on adjustable gas block,
    Griffin Armament minimalist titanium brake,
    Brownells lightweight bcg,
    Maxim Defense CQB brace,
    JP silent captured spring,
    JP components trigger,
    Aero slick side upper,
    Aero M4E1 lower,
    Aero S-One handguard,
    V-Seven 57 degree safety selector,
    Ergo Shines low angle pistol grip.

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    It'll be wearing a Dead Air Nomad 30 as soon as it gets out of jail, and a Primary Arms Plx 1-8 Griffin Mil as soon as someone will sell me one.
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    Appreciate you replying with exact what I asked for!
     
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