Tampons as a basic human right. Your thoughts.

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    #1
    Workd for me as long as I dont have to pay for them.


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    Lots Of Men Still Don't See Tampons As A Basic Right
    Poor women and girls often miss out of school, work and other opportunities because they can't afford menstrual hygiene products.
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    #6
    eh, i mean, no one really complains about places providing Toilet paper or paper towels in the bathroom.......i really dont see how Tampons are any different.....i mean, its a necessity for basic human sanitation.

    this really doesnt bother me.

    now, that being said, i dont think Tampons are a "right"...... just the same way as i dont have a "right" for TP..........i believe the only thing i have a right to is the skin on my back, and the ability to live freely and protect myself........everything else i need to work for.


    should it be "mandatory" that places provide free tampons.....well no.......would it be a nice gesture in a civilized society......probably.

    quite frankly ive got more important things to worry about
     
    #7
    Lately I hear that we have to provide kids breakfast and dinner at school because they are too poor to be fed at home.

    Right now my state wants to put tolls on the roads to pay for reapairs despite recently raising gas taxes to pay for repairs.

    All I want to know is what happened to the money that is already given for these things?
     
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    #14
    mcameron said:
    eh, i mean, no one really complains about places providing Toilet paper or paper towels in the bathroom.......i really dont see how Tampons are any different.....i mean, its a necessity for basic human sanitation.

    this really doesnt bother me.

    now, that being said, i dont think Tampons are a "right"...... just the same way as i dont have a "right" for TP..........i believe the only thing i have a right to is the skin on my back, and the ability to live freely and protect myself........everything else i need to work for.


    should it be "mandatory" that places provide free tampons.....well no.......would it be a nice gesture in a civilized society......probably.

    quite frankly ive got more important things to worry about
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    Unlike toilet paper it only apples to 1/2 of the population...and then only from age 12-60 give or take. I suppose we could use them for ear plugs at te range...
     
    #15
    Maggot said:
    Unlike toilet paper it only apples to 1/2 of the population...and then only from age 12-60 give or take. I suppose we could use them for ear plugs at te range...
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    true.....but unfortunately there are biological differences, and therefore different biological needs for men and women.

    i suppose we should all be thankful that we dont bleed out of our chaps.

    i mean hell, if women didnt shit......would you say mens rooms shouldnt have TP because only 1/2 the population needs it?
     
    #17
    Actually, if you've ever noticed, a woman will use 4-24 rolls of TP for every one a guy uses.

    Use less TP and the plugs and mattresses could be paid for by less waste.

    My daughters and ex wife would use 2 dozen rolls a week. WTF??
     
    #19
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    #20
    I see the iPhones mentioned and do away with them as a way to save money to buy pussy plugs. What rock are you under? Those are Obama phones that we, the taxpayers, are already paying for.
    That needs to change, in my opinion, and right damn now.
    I saw the Homeless/Bums in Salt Lake City with their Obama phones and they were all better than the flip phone that I bought and carry and pay for every minute that I use. FM
     
    #25
    Maybe y’all bastards are overlooking the theroretical implications of less welfare if no tampons are given.


    bare with me. If I’m in da club and all the bitches got their red britchezs on then I’m probably ubering solo.
     
    #30
    Foul Mike said:
    I see the iPhones mentioned and do away with them as a way to save money to buy pussy plugs. What rock are you under? Those are Obama phones that we, the taxpayers, are already paying for.
    That needs to change, in my opinion, and right damn now.
    I saw the Homeless/Bums in Salt Lake City with their Obama phones and they were all better than the flip phone that I bought and carry and pay for every minute that I use. FM
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    Your wish for "change" is granted by virtue of the fact that everything you just lamented is false (right down to the media fabricated moniker "obama phone"). Instead of getting all worked up about the bullshit you've been fed, try educating yourself instead: https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline-program-low-income-consumers

    A couple of highlights:
    • The Lifeline program originated in 1984, during the administration of Ronald Reagan; it was expanded in 1996, during the administration of Bill Clinton; and its first cellular provider service (SafeLink Wireless) was launched by TracFone in 2008, during the administration of George W. Bush.
    • The Lifeline program only covers monthly discounts on landline or wireless telephone service for eligible consumers. It does not pay
      cellular companies to provide free cell phones to consumers, although some cellular service providers choose to offer that benefit to their Lifeline customers.
    • Lifeline discounts are not available only to “welfare recipients” — these programs are implemented at both the state and federal levels, so qualification criteria can vary from state to state, but in general participants must have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines, or take part in at least one of the following federal assistance programs:
    • The Lifeline program is not directly subsidized by taxpayer monies. It is paid for out of the federal Universal Service Fund (USF) through a fee assessed against telecommunications service providers, who may or may not pass those costs along to their customers
    As the cellular service provider is footing the bill for the phone in order to get paid by the FCC for delivering the service, the phones they give away are bottom of the line in every way. Many of the folks at a nursing home I do volunteer work for have "Obama Phones". One 85yo lady in particular just got a brand new one from assurance wireless and that thing is straight out of 1999 in features and quality. If homeless people with lifeline phones have better phones than yours, maybe you should get a fucking upgrade (or an obama phone, if you are unfortunate enough to qualify for one).
     
    #31
    jr81452 said:
    Your wish for "change" is granted by virtue of the fact that everything you just lamented is false (right down to the media fabricated moniker "obama phone"). Instead of getting all worked up about the bullshit you've been fed, try educating yourself instead: https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline...come-consumers

    A couple of highlights:
    • The Lifeline program originated in 1984, during the administration of Ronald Reagan; it was expanded in 1996, during the administration of Bill Clinton; and its first cellular provider service (SafeLink Wireless) was launched by TracFone in 2008, during the administration of George W. Bush.
    • The Lifeline program only covers monthly discounts on landline or wireless telephone service for eligible consumers. It does not pay
      cellular companies to provide free cell phones to consumers, although some cellular service providers choose to offer that benefit to their Lifeline customers.
    • Lifeline discounts are not available only to “welfare recipients” — these programs are implemented at both the state and federal levels, so qualification criteria can vary from state to state, but in general participants must have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines, or take part in at least one of the following federal assistance programs:
    • The Lifeline program is not directly subsidized by taxpayer monies. It is paid for out of the federal Universal Service Fund (USF) through a fee assessed against telecommunications service providers, who may or may not pass those costs along to their customers
    As the cellular service provider is footing the bill for the phone in order to get paid by the FCC for delivering the service, the phones they give away are bottom of the line in every way. Many of the folks at a nursing home I do volunteer work for have "Obama Phones". One 85yo lady in particular just got a brand new one from assurance wireless and that thing is straight out of 1999 in features and quality. If homeless people with lifeline phones have better phones than yours, maybe you should get a fucking upgrade (or an obama phone, if you are unfortunate enough to qualify for one).
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    Is there or is there not a line item on the back of my phone bill to pay for this?

    Last I looked it was about $3 per month.

    As per typical Free Shit Army purveyors its "Just the cost of a cup of coffee, not a big deal".

    Until you add up all the cups of coffee we are buying to provide free shit and it is a big deal.
     
    #33
    EddieNFL said:
    He's right, PM. But it exploded during the O administration. Whenever I read something about a welfare program, I think of this cartoon.
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    I remember when Universal Connectivity became a thing with Bill Clinton just about the time he was pushing Motor Voter.

    and from his post....

    "a fee assessed against telecommunications service providers, who may or may not pass those costs along to their customers."

    There isn't a business out there that expects to survive that doesn't pass its costs off to the customers. That's the big lie when libs talk about making big oil or this utility or that big business "pay".

    Whatever it is that the targeted entity "pays" they just end up passing that cost on to the consumer.
     
    #34
    jr81452 said:
    As the cellular service provider is footing the bill for the phone in order to get paid by the FCC for delivering the service, the phones they give away are bottom of the line in every way. Many of the folks at a nursing home I do volunteer work for have "Obama Phones". One 85yo lady in particular just got a brand new one from assurance wireless and that thing is straight out of 1999 in features and quality. If homeless people with lifeline phones have better phones than yours, maybe you should get a fucking upgrade (or an obama phone, if you are unfortunate enough to qualify for one).
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    Bullshit the carrier an uncle pay for nothing, the customers an tax payers pay it all! Just like those who pay for insurance pay for those who don't. Nothing is free no where, someone is always paying!
    I challenge you to show me anything that's free, to include the air your breathing!

     
    #35
    jr81452 said:
    ...
    [*]The Lifeline program is not directly subsidized by taxpayer monies. It is paid for out of the federal Universal Service Fund (USF) through a fee assessed against telecommunications service providers, who may or may not pass those costs along to their customers
    .
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    Form the USF website: "The Universal Service Fund is paid for by contributions from providers of telecommunications based of an assessment on their interstate and internation (sic) end-user revenues."

    I pay $2.01 per month yet my carrier gets credit for a contribution? I don't have to wonder too hard what "The Lifeline program is not directly subsidized by taxpayer monies." is meant to obfuscate. Taking money from one person and giving to another is just that. A rose is a rose by any other name, and bullshit is bullshit by any other smell. Just call it what it is. It is a social service funded by everyone who has a cell phone and pays their monthly bill. Not that you argued this, but if you do not pay your bill your phone will be shut off. And if you are north of 135% of the poverty line you will not have a Lifeline phone. Thus, if it is some kind of right, then it is one only poor people enjoy. So...

    Same goes for the tampon article. If something is a "right", it argues, then it is not enough that someone should not be barred from its enjoyment but rather that someone else should pay for it. I think it is unnecessary for me to go through the reductio ad absurdum here. The article goes on to call out the suffering of impoverished women because of what men think (and "feel") about tampons as a right. Unfortunately, it is a stretch for me to say that what she means is that because of what men think, tampons are not a right. She is simply assailing men who don't agree with her. The trajectory of her article is then that poor women are held in some economic-cum-vaginal slavery.

    Is it a public health issue? Maybe.I could easily make that argument. But the jackass who wrote the article ultimately made it about her contempt for certain men who do not have the same line of thought on tampons as a right and took a shot at shaming them. An alternative course of action would have been to try and win some of these guys over to her point of view. But that wouldn't be very feminist of her. She did none a favor.
     
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    #36
    Then why don't they just 'roll their own' with the free toilet paper? Hey, if you want free, you don't necessarily get the best, you just get free.
     
    #37
    Consuming more than you produce is generally wrong. Eliminate all welfare and social safety net and you will eliminate the vast majority of illegal immigration, let Churchs and such provide the charity as well as the rule book on how to live a decent and moral life. Connect the recipients to the charity providers and social pressure will ensure that more people behave more decently. Furthermore this will force more families to stay together because the government will not be supporting single mothers https://www.brookings.edu/blog/soci...ium-for-children-depends-on-family-resources/. This will never happen because we are country would rather foster victims than resilience.
     
    #38
    I never argued that the Lifeline program was free or good (though I do think it's good, more on that later). I argued that mike's presentation of it was factually incorrect (and the listed points were copy/paste from the linked site).
    He said they were obama phones. They aren't.
    He said iPhones were obama phones. No way cell phone companies are handing out free premium data phones (unless maybe a very old model, but I doubt it).
    And he said the taxpayer pays for them. Mostly it's just a wash. Phone company makes a deposit into the fund, and the FCC sends the money back to them for doing what the fund pays for. The phone customers pay for the fund. You might argue that it is a de facto tax, but you can opt out of paying it by cancelling your service. You might argue that you can't do any business or reach any services without a phone, and you'd be right.

    Which brings me back to agreeing with Reagan that this is a good program. Several studies have shown that it increases the economy. 2/3 of the recipients are elderly or disabled and the majority of the remaining make less than $15k/yr. The program does suffer from a good bit of fraud, but most of that has been shown to be committed by the companies the carriers hire to enroll people. No it's not free (I never claimed it was), but it is a cost I am willing to pay for the good it does. Though I would be happier about it if the FCC would get the fraud under control.

    Anyway, the point wasn't about how good or bad the lifeline program is. The point was I'm tired of seeing intelligent guys like Mike argue without factual information. Arguing with feelings is what liberals do. It makes your whole point invalid, because it sounds like you don't know enough about it to have a real opinion. We all need to have a little more skepticism regarding the information we get, regardless of the source. Take 15 minutes and look shit up before you form an opinion. At least then if you hate it, you can factually state why.
     
    #39
    The problem is if they're free they will steal them and there won't be any available for the next user and the bitching will never stop. Also, this government deal will have "strings attached" :)
     
    #40
    jr81452 said:
    I never argued that the Lifeline program was free or good (though I do think it's good, more on that later). I argued that mike's presentation of it was factually incorrect (and the listed points were copy/paste from the linked site).
    He said they were obama phones. They aren't.
    He said iPhones were obama phones. No way cell phone companies are handing out free premium data phones (unless maybe a very old model, but I doubt it).
    And he said the taxpayer pays for them. Mostly it's just a wash. Phone company makes a deposit into the fund, and the FCC sends the money back to them for doing what the fund pays for. The phone customers pay for the fund. You might argue that it is a de facto tax, but you can opt out of paying it by cancelling your service. You might argue that you can't do any business or reach any services without a phone, and you'd be right.

    Which brings me back to agreeing with Reagan that this is a good program. Several studies have shown that it increases the economy. 2/3 of the recipients are elderly or disabled and the majority of the remaining make less than $15k/yr. The program does suffer from a good bit of fraud, but most of that has been shown to be committed by the companies the carriers hire to enroll people. No it's not free (I never claimed it was), but it is a cost I am willing to pay for the good it does. Though I would be happier about it if the FCC would get the fraud under control.

    Anyway, the point wasn't about how good or bad the lifeline program is. The point was I'm tired of seeing intelligent guys like Mike argue without factual information. Arguing with feelings is what liberals do. It makes your whole point invalid, because it sounds like you don't know enough about it to have a real opinion. We all need to have a little more skepticism regarding the information we get, regardless of the source. Take 15 minutes and look shit up before you form an opinion. At least then if you hate it, you can factually state why.
    Click to expand...

    https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/09/17/were-all-to-blame

    Where do you think Congress (or any state body) gets the resources for such spending? It's not the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. The only way Congress can give one American a dollar is to use threats, intimidation and coercion to confiscate that dollar from another American. Congress forcibly uses one American to serve the purposes of another American. We might ask ourselves: What standard of morality justifies the forcible use of one American to serve the purposes of another American? By the way, the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of another is a fairly good working definition of slavery.
     
    #41
    OK jr81452, You have pointed out a lot of things that I did not know about as to when this FREE phone thing started and how it goes down. I will give you that and thanks for the education.
    I think this FREE phone thing really came about and crossed the lines when Obama pushed them out just before the last election he was running in[hence Obama phones] and it has spiraled out of control since then. Buying votes in my opinion.
    There is a LADY? in my neighborhood that has problems and my Squaw and I do all we can to help her but it is taxing on my mind to put up with her shit.
    What I do know is that the LADY?[who in my opinion is Batshit Crazy] and has a lot of mental health problems] that I help out, as I feel sorry for her and know she needs help, brought it to my attention that all of her text messages she sent to me were unanswered. I don't do texting on my flip phone and don't want to. All I want is a small phone that I can call out with to my neighbors and friends and the Squaw and does not take up half of my pocket. I don't give a fuck about text messaging. I pay for it out of my pocket.
    The LADY? called and told me she wanted to pick me up in her car and take me down to get a new phone so I could answer all of these text messages she sends me.
    I got in and down to the phone store we went.
    She talked to them, I did not. Here they come with a fancy new fangled phone I could have for FREE, just take it. No questions asked. I do not want it nor do I qualify for it but it sure as hell was offered. Again, no questions asked as to eligibility.
    Something wrong there.
    She lives in Section 8 housing with the heat and electricity paid by some kind of Govt. dole She does not get any kind of help as to her mental disabilities and I think that is wrong.
    I watched the Homeless/Bums in downtown Salt Lake City using their phones for whatever and don't think it was to call 911.
    The old woman you mentioned in your scathing answer to me, If she is in a nursing home, what need does she have for a phone to call the front desk and get help?
    I think this free phone thing, although in the best interests to start with, has gotten WAY out of hand, and is doing very little to help the people it was intended to.
    Just my thoughts and feel free to flame away as I have very thick skin and probably a very shallow mind in your opinion.
    Regards, Foul Mike
    PS. Fuck those Bums and their phones. Hickory shampoos are in order.
     
    #42
    Ya, PPB the cops need shotguns too.
    I am not for offing all of those fools but their ranks need thinning.
    Ball bats and pick handles would be a good place to start. FM
    They seem to be able to get enough heroin and other some such shit to keep going but Darwin will help them out on their journey.
     
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    #43
    Foul Mike said:
    OK jr81452, You have pointed out a lot of things that I did not know about as to when this FREE phone thing started and how it goes down. I will give you that and thanks for the education.
    I think this FREE phone thing really came about and crossed the lines when Obama pushed them out just before the last election he was running in[hence Obama phones] and it has spiraled out of control since then. Buying votes in my opinion.
    There is a LADY? in my neighborhood that has problems and my Squaw and I do all we can to help her but it is taxing on my mind to put up with her shit.
    What I do know is that the LADY?[who in my opinion is Batshit Crazy] and has a lot of mental health problems] that I help out, as I feel sorry for her and know she needs help, brought it to my attention that all of her text messages she sent to me were unanswered. I don't do texting on my flip phone and don't want to. All I want is a small phone that I can call out with to my neighbors and friends and the Squaw and does not take up half of my pocket. I don't give a fuck about text messaging. I pay for it out of my pocket.
    The LADY? called and told me she wanted to pick me up in her car and take me down to get a new phone so I could answer all of these text messages she sends me.
    I got in and down to the phone store we went.
    She talked to them, I did not. Here they come with a fancy new fangled phone I could have for FREE, just take it. No questions asked. I do not want it nor do I qualify for it but it sure as hell was offered. Again, no questions asked as to eligibility.
    Something wrong there.
    She lives in Section 8 housing with the heat and electricity paid by some kind of Govt. dole She does not get any kind of help as to her mental disabilities and I think that is wrong.
    I watched the Homeless/Bums in downtown Salt Lake City using their phones for whatever and don't think it was to call 911.
    The old woman you mentioned in your scathing answer to me, If she is in a nursing home, what need does she have for a phone to call the front desk and get help?
    I think this free phone thing, although in the best interests to start with, has gotten WAY out of hand, and is doing very little to help the people it was intended to.
    Just my thoughts and feel free to flame away as I have very thick skin and probably a very shallow mind in your opinion.
    Regards, Foul Mike
    PS. Fuck those Bums and their phones. Hickory shampoos are in order.
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    As far as I can tell being on welfare rates a free phone. I know a guy inTexas who never worked a day in his life, spent a lot iof it in prison, had a heart attack, and now has :

    -A free apt
    -Food Stamps
    -monthly stipend
    -more social security than I get and worked for it
    -Free utiilities
    -Free phone
    -Full coverage Medicare

    and probably more I dont know about. I dont hold any grudge but it does piss mo off that he gets more SS than what I worked for.
     
    #44
    I hear you Maggot and I think there are a lot of us in the same boat as you.
    I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of paying for these Bums as I, like you, worked all of my life to get what I have.
    It sickens me to see these mooches that have never worked a day in their lives and/or spent a lot of their lives in prison have everything I have or more and have done nothing to have earned it.
    We are the fools. We were raised with a work ethic and busted our asses and paid our taxes only to see that tax money we payed out all of these years go to these bums.
    The only thing we have that they don't is Our Pride and I have plenty of that. They, on the other hand, could give a shit less, and don't get me started on the draft dodgers from back in the 60-70s when I gave up a couple of years of my life to train and attend the "Fun in the Sun in Sunny Southeast Asia," not by my choice, Nobody's feet were held to the fire for violating those laws back then or damn few if any. Again, we are the fools.
    I am all for helping those that really need it and will go out of my way to help them as much as I can but Damn I am sick of supporting all of these leeches. FM
     
    #45
    Bulldog Firearms said:
    let Churchs and such provide the charity as well as the rule book on how to live a decent and moral life.
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    But churchs had to be destroyed because they provide an alternative to dependence on the government....

    well not all churchs.

    one is not only a religion but a form of govt and whats attractive to totalitarians is that it expects complete "submission" of its followers so that one would be protected.
     
    #46
    jr81452 said:
    I never argued that the Lifeline program was free or good (though I do think it's good, more on that later). I argued that mike's presentation of it was factually incorrect (and the listed points were copy/paste from the linked site).
    He said they were obama phones. They aren't.
    He said iPhones were obama phones. No way cell phone companies are handing out free premium data phones (unless maybe a very old model, but I doubt it).
    And he said the taxpayer pays for them. Mostly it's just a wash. Phone company makes a deposit into the fund, and the FCC sends the money back to them for doing what the fund pays for. The phone customers pay for the fund. You might argue that it is a de facto tax, but you can opt out of paying it by cancelling your service. You might argue that you can't do any business or reach any services without a phone, and you'd be right.

    Which brings me back to agreeing with Reagan that this is a good program. Several studies have shown that it increases the economy. 2/3 of the recipients are elderly or disabled and the majority of the remaining make less than $15k/yr. The program does suffer from a good bit of fraud, but most of that has been shown to be committed by the companies the carriers hire to enroll people. No it's not free (I never claimed it was), but it is a cost I am willing to pay for the good it does. Though I would be happier about it if the FCC would get the fraud under control.

    Anyway, the point wasn't about how good or bad the lifeline program is. The point was I'm tired of seeing intelligent guys like Mike argue without factual information. Arguing with feelings is what liberals do. It makes your whole point invalid, because it sounds like you don't know enough about it to have a real opinion. We all need to have a little more skepticism regarding the information we get, regardless of the source. Take 15 minutes and look shit up before you form an opinion. At least then if you hate it, you can factually state why.
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    My understanding of the original intent of Universal Connectivity was to bring infrastructure to areas that otherwise would not get service. Think poor areas of West Virginia, Appalachia and the like.

    It would bring the infrastructure that the carriers were not willing to provide so that under serviced households could than become customers once the infrastructure was in place. Sure these poor would also be subsidized but it wasnt expected to be a free phone hook up. This was a time prior to cell phone useage being the norm and telecommunications required infrastructure all the way to the pole just outside your house.

    Under those conditions there was a small benefit to the people paying the bill. It created jobs in infrastructure and it allowed people otherwise excluded to join the economy in telecommunications.

    Than came Clinton, Bush and Obama to explode the meaning of the law to include free cell phones.

    If you have access to a land line thats not good enough?
     
    #47
    Lots of good info in this thread.
    I do remember a few years back when there was money to expand commo. up in the mountains of Colorado to help rural people to be able to get on the internet etc.
    I think almost all of that money made it as far as the ski areas and very little went on as to improving things for small towns and ranchers and farmers close to the ski areas yet not close enough to the ski areas to be overrun by the slat rats in comparison to what the benefits went to the big money ski areas.
    My Uncle lives up north of Kremmling and it did not improve life for him a bit, and I think that is what the original intent of it was all about.
    My flame suit is on so get after it. As my Uncle told me,"Follow the MONEY." FM
     
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