hey all, just got done talking with local shop and thinking about starting paper work on a aac cyclone for my remmy 700 308win. would this be a good suppressor for me? i wont really be carrying it long distances so weight isnt a huge issue (heard it heavy compared to others)
Suppressors first suppressor opinions
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Re: first suppressor opinions
I have a buddy w/ a cyclone that he runs on a fair amount of rifles... good enough can... but I don't see it as any better than a YHM Phantom 762 for $100ish less
I have a buddy w/ a cyclone that he runs on a fair amount of rifles... good enough can... but I don't see it as any better than a YHM Phantom 762 for $100ish less
Re: first suppressor opinions
The Cyclone is a pretty good suppressor. Probably one of the quietest 30 cal suppressors on the market. It also has very little to no POI shift with a couple of rifles we have used it on at the shop. For a steel can, it's hard to beat.
The Cyclone is a pretty good suppressor. Probably one of the quietest 30 cal suppressors on the market. It also has very little to no POI shift with a couple of rifles we have used it on at the shop. For a steel can, it's hard to beat.
Re: first suppressor opinions
So IMO, you know just enough to make your first purchase problematic. There is a huge amount or reading here on the very subject that you are interested in. And, most importantly, a tremendous universe of quality cans for you to start to hear.
The truth of it is that the vast majority of precision .308 cans will do an adequate job for most. A small handful of cans will do an outstanding job. It all depends on what you need...you need, not him, or him, or him, or me...you. And, as you might expect, you have to do the work (in this case reading and listening)to buy a .308 can that can perform at the top of its class and, most importantly, last a lifetime.
I'll give you an example. You just asked "How is the cleaning on them? can you tear them down yourself?" In 30 minutes of qualified reading here you will quickly learn that a majority of people will attest to the fact that a centerfire .308 can does not ever need to be cleaned, nor should it come apart. In fact, having you .30 cf can come apart has very real consequences.
Or your asking " i wont really be carrying it long distances so weight isnt a huge issue (heard it heavy compared to others)" Whereas carrying your can is one issue concerning the weight of the can, it pales to OTHER issues caused by a heavy can. In other words, weight has very real consequences, carrying it around is not really one of them.
The good news is that you have come to the right place to get tons of information that you can really use. But you will have to sift through that info based on your needs.
Read a bit and then come on back with more detailed info on what you actually need.
Understanding Suppression:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8176267/suppressor-basics
Do I need to clean my suppressor?:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8193125/
So IMO, you know just enough to make your first purchase problematic. There is a huge amount or reading here on the very subject that you are interested in. And, most importantly, a tremendous universe of quality cans for you to start to hear.
The truth of it is that the vast majority of precision .308 cans will do an adequate job for most. A small handful of cans will do an outstanding job. It all depends on what you need...you need, not him, or him, or him, or me...you. And, as you might expect, you have to do the work (in this case reading and listening)to buy a .308 can that can perform at the top of its class and, most importantly, last a lifetime.
I'll give you an example. You just asked "How is the cleaning on them? can you tear them down yourself?" In 30 minutes of qualified reading here you will quickly learn that a majority of people will attest to the fact that a centerfire .308 can does not ever need to be cleaned, nor should it come apart. In fact, having you .30 cf can come apart has very real consequences.
Or your asking " i wont really be carrying it long distances so weight isnt a huge issue (heard it heavy compared to others)" Whereas carrying your can is one issue concerning the weight of the can, it pales to OTHER issues caused by a heavy can. In other words, weight has very real consequences, carrying it around is not really one of them.
The good news is that you have come to the right place to get tons of information that you can really use. But you will have to sift through that info based on your needs.
Read a bit and then come on back with more detailed info on what you actually need.
Understanding Suppression:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8176267/suppressor-basics
Do I need to clean my suppressor?:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8193125/
Re: first suppressor opinions
i ordered my cyclone last week. and this weekend i was at a gun show and a guy had a cyclone there so i handled it and it is heavy! but to late. the guy that had it "specialized" in thunderbeast. he was a long range shooter and really liked them i told him i already ordered a cyclone and he said i would be happy and that there would be a poi change but not to worry because it is repeatable. now since i will only be shooting that rifle with a can and not moving it around ill just zero it with the can on and be done worrying about poi shift. i talked to the guy for a while and asked him to come shoot our match this coming weekend he said he would look it up and try to make it. before i left he gave me his card and said dont worry, youre guna want another one as soon as u get your first
and i think that is a very true statement. i am already researching for a 223 can
i ordered my cyclone last week. and this weekend i was at a gun show and a guy had a cyclone there so i handled it and it is heavy! but to late. the guy that had it "specialized" in thunderbeast. he was a long range shooter and really liked them i told him i already ordered a cyclone and he said i would be happy and that there would be a poi change but not to worry because it is repeatable. now since i will only be shooting that rifle with a can and not moving it around ill just zero it with the can on and be done worrying about poi shift. i talked to the guy for a while and asked him to come shoot our match this coming weekend he said he would look it up and try to make it. before i left he gave me his card and said dont worry, youre guna want another one as soon as u get your first
Re: first suppressor opinions
There's nothing wrong with a cyclone and I wouldn't let people scare you about weight. The suppressor works well and you will be happy with it. 22 ounces is not "heavy"- that's the weight of a KAC 5.56mm suppressor.
The other options to consider are probably the TBA 30P-1 (if weight is a big concern to you).
I google shopped the Cyclone and found the best price online to be $773 (for a non Cyclone-K model unit).
We're offering the RSTA 30 caliber suppressor for $850 including one mount of your choice, and also including a $200 NFA tax reimbursement, so that is another option and offers another feature subset (QD mount adaptors).
There's nothing wrong with a cyclone and I wouldn't let people scare you about weight. The suppressor works well and you will be happy with it. 22 ounces is not "heavy"- that's the weight of a KAC 5.56mm suppressor.
The other options to consider are probably the TBA 30P-1 (if weight is a big concern to you).
I google shopped the Cyclone and found the best price online to be $773 (for a non Cyclone-K model unit).
We're offering the RSTA 30 caliber suppressor for $850 including one mount of your choice, and also including a $200 NFA tax reimbursement, so that is another option and offers another feature subset (QD mount adaptors).
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Suppressors are a gigantic pain to acquire. Form 4, $200, and a long wait. My only advice on a can is to consider a quality manufacturer that has been in business for some time. I believe just about any manufacturer can rebuild a can, but the original manufacturer can re-make it. That is destroy the original and re-make with the same serial number. So if you ever put a round through the side, run over it with a truck, etc. you have an option. --And of course, you should check with the manufacturer to make sure they do this.
Suppressors are a gigantic pain to acquire. Form 4, $200, and a long wait. My only advice on a can is to consider a quality manufacturer that has been in business for some time. I believe just about any manufacturer can rebuild a can, but the original manufacturer can re-make it. That is destroy the original and re-make with the same serial number. So if you ever put a round through the side, run over it with a truck, etc. you have an option. --And of course, you should check with the manufacturer to make sure they do this.
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From the reading I have done on the ATF site, it looks to me like a manufacture can rebuild a suppressor as long as the outer tube is not damaged beyond repair. Replacing the outer tube constitutes building a new suppressor and requires the $200 tax and wait period once again. I may be wrong, but that is how I understand it.
http://atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-silencers.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part.
The term “repair” does not include replacement of the outer tube of the silencer. The outer tube is the largest single part of the silencer, the main structural component of the silencer, and is the part to which all other component parts are attached. The replacement of the outer tube is so significant an event that it amounts to the “making” of a new silencer. As such, the new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA.</div></div>
From the reading I have done on the ATF site, it looks to me like a manufacture can rebuild a suppressor as long as the outer tube is not damaged beyond repair. Replacing the outer tube constitutes building a new suppressor and requires the $200 tax and wait period once again. I may be wrong, but that is how I understand it.
http://atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-silencers.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part.
The term “repair” does not include replacement of the outer tube of the silencer. The outer tube is the largest single part of the silencer, the main structural component of the silencer, and is the part to which all other component parts are attached. The replacement of the outer tube is so significant an event that it amounts to the “making” of a new silencer. As such, the new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA.</div></div>
Re: first suppressor opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chris in Texas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suppressors are a gigantic pain to acquire. Form 4, $200, and a long wait. My only advice on a can is to consider a quality manufacturer that has been in business for some time. I believe just about any manufacturer can rebuild a can, but the original manufacturer can re-make it. That is destroy the original and re-make with the same serial number. So if you ever put a round through the side, run over it with a truck, etc. you have an option. --And of course, you should check with the manufacturer to make sure they do this. </div></div>
Replacing the tube is not legal per ATF right now as the laws are written.
That should really be changed IMO Due to the $200 tax.
They would argue things like the frame on your car can't change completely or that the receiver on your gun can't change, but the suppressor is a muffler, and you can change your car's entire exhaust system without excessive taxes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chris in Texas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suppressors are a gigantic pain to acquire. Form 4, $200, and a long wait. My only advice on a can is to consider a quality manufacturer that has been in business for some time. I believe just about any manufacturer can rebuild a can, but the original manufacturer can re-make it. That is destroy the original and re-make with the same serial number. So if you ever put a round through the side, run over it with a truck, etc. you have an option. --And of course, you should check with the manufacturer to make sure they do this. </div></div>
Replacing the tube is not legal per ATF right now as the laws are written.
That should really be changed IMO Due to the $200 tax.
They would argue things like the frame on your car can't change completely or that the receiver on your gun can't change, but the suppressor is a muffler, and you can change your car's entire exhaust system without excessive taxes.
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I am in sort of the same spot as deadnoise, I have narrowed it down to a TBAC, am just not sure whether I should get qd or direct attach. I have two issues, am cheap and worried about accuracy. Firstly the TBAC drew me because have heard nothing but good about them and I can use the 30BA model for my carbine, .308, and my7mmRM all three. But I don't want to sacrifice accuracy just to be able to attach to the carbine, so if there is that much change in accuracy, would be more than happy to go with the direct and save my lunch money for a dedicated 5.56 suppressor.
I am in sort of the same spot as deadnoise, I have narrowed it down to a TBAC, am just not sure whether I should get qd or direct attach. I have two issues, am cheap and worried about accuracy. Firstly the TBAC drew me because have heard nothing but good about them and I can use the 30BA model for my carbine, .308, and my7mmRM all three. But I don't want to sacrifice accuracy just to be able to attach to the carbine, so if there is that much change in accuracy, would be more than happy to go with the direct and save my lunch money for a dedicated 5.56 suppressor.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WestTxMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am in sort of the same spot as deadnoise, I have narrowed it down to a TBAC, am just not sure whether I should get qd or direct attach. I have two issues, am cheap and worried about accuracy. Firstly the TBAC drew me because have heard nothing but good about them and I can use the 30BA model for my carbine, .308, and my7mmRM all three. But I don't want to sacrifice accuracy just to be able to attach to the carbine, so if there is that much change in accuracy, would be more than happy to go with the direct and save my lunch money for a dedicated 5.56 suppressor. </div></div>
Usually a can *increases* accuracy. There will very likely be a POI shift between suppressed and unsuppressed, but usually a very repeatable change that you can accommodate for.
I recently ordered an SAS Ti Reaper - 7" can from Mile High Shooting that weighs 10 oz and has a claimed reduction of 32.5 db. It's designed for 300 whisper but rated for up to 300 win mag. I'll be using it on my .308 and 5.56 rifles. It's a thread over muzzle brake attachment type and I wanted brakes on my rifles anyway.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WestTxMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am in sort of the same spot as deadnoise, I have narrowed it down to a TBAC, am just not sure whether I should get qd or direct attach. I have two issues, am cheap and worried about accuracy. Firstly the TBAC drew me because have heard nothing but good about them and I can use the 30BA model for my carbine, .308, and my7mmRM all three. But I don't want to sacrifice accuracy just to be able to attach to the carbine, so if there is that much change in accuracy, would be more than happy to go with the direct and save my lunch money for a dedicated 5.56 suppressor. </div></div>
Usually a can *increases* accuracy. There will very likely be a POI shift between suppressed and unsuppressed, but usually a very repeatable change that you can accommodate for.
I recently ordered an SAS Ti Reaper - 7" can from Mile High Shooting that weighs 10 oz and has a claimed reduction of 32.5 db. It's designed for 300 whisper but rated for up to 300 win mag. I'll be using it on my .308 and 5.56 rifles. It's a thread over muzzle brake attachment type and I wanted brakes on my rifles anyway.
Re: first suppressor opinions
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. Firstly the TBAC drew me because have heard nothing but good about them and I can use the 30BA model for my carbine, .308, and my7mmRM all three. But I don't want to sacrifice accuracy just to be able to attach to the carbine, so if there is that much change in accuracy, would be more than happy to go with the direct and save my lunch money for a dedicated 5.56 suppressor.</div></div>
Hi,
The 30BA is as accurate as the thread-attach model.
If you do want to shoot a lot of 5.56, you'll eventually want a dedicated can for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. Firstly the TBAC drew me because have heard nothing but good about them and I can use the 30BA model for my carbine, .308, and my7mmRM all three. But I don't want to sacrifice accuracy just to be able to attach to the carbine, so if there is that much change in accuracy, would be more than happy to go with the direct and save my lunch money for a dedicated 5.56 suppressor.</div></div>
Hi,
The 30BA is as accurate as the thread-attach model.
If you do want to shoot a lot of 5.56, you'll eventually want a dedicated can for it.
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Thanks Zak, I will keep that in mind and look forwars to doing some business with you when the trust gets set up!
Thanks Zak, I will keep that in mind and look forwars to doing some business with you when the trust gets set up!
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i paid 804 after taxes for my cyclone brand new. im not to worried about poi shift because its going on one gun and one gun only. once i have it i dont see a reason to shoot the gun without it so i will be zeroing the gun with the can. i decided to go with a thread mount because my understanding is that it is more accurate. i guess we'll see in six months. with my 556 can i will be going QD because i have a lot of platforms it will be used on and i think accuracy wont necessarly be an issue. these 223's arent custom builds or anything like that. with that being said which is the most accurate supressor with a QD? or is that a loaded question? it will be on a savage 10fp. varmint AR, SBR, remington 700 22-250. and other 16'' ar's as well
i paid 804 after taxes for my cyclone brand new. im not to worried about poi shift because its going on one gun and one gun only. once i have it i dont see a reason to shoot the gun without it so i will be zeroing the gun with the can. i decided to go with a thread mount because my understanding is that it is more accurate. i guess we'll see in six months. with my 556 can i will be going QD because i have a lot of platforms it will be used on and i think accuracy wont necessarly be an issue. these 223's arent custom builds or anything like that. with that being said which is the most accurate supressor with a QD? or is that a loaded question? it will be on a savage 10fp. varmint AR, SBR, remington 700 22-250. and other 16'' ar's as well
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ddd oo7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the reading I have done on the ATF site, it looks to me like a manufacture can rebuild a suppressor as long as the outer tube is not damaged beyond repair. Replacing the outer tube constitutes building a new suppressor and requires the $200 tax and wait period once again. I may be wrong, but that is how I understand it.
http://atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-silencers.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part.
The term “repair” does not include replacement of the outer tube of the silencer. The outer tube is the largest single part of the silencer, the main structural component of the silencer, and is the part to which all other component parts are attached. The replacement of the outer tube is so significant an event that it amounts to the “making” of a new silencer. As such, the new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA.</div></div>
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I hate it when I am wrong. And in this case, it certainly looks like I am. --I could have sworn the original manufacturer could re-make the item, be it a machine gun, silencer, or regular gun.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ddd oo7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the reading I have done on the ATF site, it looks to me like a manufacture can rebuild a suppressor as long as the outer tube is not damaged beyond repair. Replacing the outer tube constitutes building a new suppressor and requires the $200 tax and wait period once again. I may be wrong, but that is how I understand it.
http://atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-silencers.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part.
The term “repair” does not include replacement of the outer tube of the silencer. The outer tube is the largest single part of the silencer, the main structural component of the silencer, and is the part to which all other component parts are attached. The replacement of the outer tube is so significant an event that it amounts to the “making” of a new silencer. As such, the new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA.</div></div>
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I hate it when I am wrong. And in this case, it certainly looks like I am. --I could have sworn the original manufacturer could re-make the item, be it a machine gun, silencer, or regular gun.
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It did say later on in that same section that the original manufacture could rebuild a damaged suppressor (including outer tube) if it had not been sold or left the factory yet.
It did say later on in that same section that the original manufacture could rebuild a damaged suppressor (including outer tube) if it had not been sold or left the factory yet.
