Anyone using these with this rate of twist? I've been using the Sierra 100gr Pro Hunter for several years and very pleased. Anyone with legitimate info?
105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
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Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
Yes people do use them in the factory twist and get good results but to be sure you should try them in yours as sometimes the 1:9.125 is either faster or slower as it's a factory tube and doesn't have the quality control that a custom barrel does.
Yes people do use them in the factory twist and get good results but to be sure you should try them in yours as sometimes the 1:9.125 is either faster or slower as it's a factory tube and doesn't have the quality control that a custom barrel does.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
Ok...scratch that idea. Forgot they were boattail. Anyone know of a high BC flat base in the 95-105 gr territory...that will work? No BT bullets.
Ok...scratch that idea. Forgot they were boattail. Anyone know of a high BC flat base in the 95-105 gr territory...that will work? No BT bullets.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
Why the aversion to boat-tails? I would probably try the Berger 90 grain Match BT (G1-0.411/G7-0.210) if I had a factory tube, since the leads are so long. Speer deep-curl 90 grain flat-base #1214 has G1-0.365.
Why the aversion to boat-tails? I would probably try the Berger 90 grain Match BT (G1-0.411/G7-0.210) if I had a factory tube, since the leads are so long. Speer deep-curl 90 grain flat-base #1214 has G1-0.365.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
use the JBM stablitly calculator
"Calculate a stability factor for a bullet using the Miller stability formula. Output is red for unstable, yellow for marginal stability and green for stable."
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi
use the JBM stablitly calculator
"Calculate a stability factor for a bullet using the Miller stability formula. Output is red for unstable, yellow for marginal stability and green for stable."
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bricktop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why the aversion to boat-tails? I would probably try the Berger 90 grain Match BT (G1-0.411/G7-0.210) if I had a factory tube, since the leads are so long. Speer deep-curl 90 grain flat-base #1214 has G1-0.365. </div></div>
The gun does not shoot BTs well at all. BTs are out of the question. Long bullets are great in theory for BC, but there are plenty of long bullets that do NOT have a lot of bearing surface/bullet surface touching the rifling. Thats in addition to other factors. I have a 223 Rem that is the same story. Put a flat base in and bullseye.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bricktop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why the aversion to boat-tails? I would probably try the Berger 90 grain Match BT (G1-0.411/G7-0.210) if I had a factory tube, since the leads are so long. Speer deep-curl 90 grain flat-base #1214 has G1-0.365. </div></div>
The gun does not shoot BTs well at all. BTs are out of the question. Long bullets are great in theory for BC, but there are plenty of long bullets that do NOT have a lot of bearing surface/bullet surface touching the rifling. Thats in addition to other factors. I have a 223 Rem that is the same story. Put a flat base in and bullseye.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
Yes they are great in that gun. I have worked with 2 of them.
95 VLD's would be a good option to try.
I also had good luck with 90 Scenars.
H4350 worked well for me.
They all are around .5 G1 BC.
This Idea that AMAX's/boattail/VLD's wont shoot should be noted as far from the norm.
Yes they are great in that gun. I have worked with 2 of them.
95 VLD's would be a good option to try.
I also had good luck with 90 Scenars.
H4350 worked well for me.
They all are around .5 G1 BC.
This Idea that AMAX's/boattail/VLD's wont shoot should be noted as far from the norm.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAT5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes they are great in that gun. I have worked with 2 of them.
95 VLD's would be a good option to try.
I also had good luck with 90 Scenars.
H4350 worked well for me.
They all are around .5 G1 BC.
This Idea that AMAX's/boattail/VLD's wont shoot should be noted as far from the norm.
</div></div>
I know they'll shoot, but very good chances not from my rifle. It simply despises most BTs. I'm looking for a BT that has a good bearing surface like my #1540 Sierra Spitzer flatbase. Know of any BTs with that and that will fit the factory blind magazine?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAT5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes they are great in that gun. I have worked with 2 of them.
95 VLD's would be a good option to try.
I also had good luck with 90 Scenars.
H4350 worked well for me.
They all are around .5 G1 BC.
This Idea that AMAX's/boattail/VLD's wont shoot should be noted as far from the norm.
</div></div>
I know they'll shoot, but very good chances not from my rifle. It simply despises most BTs. I'm looking for a BT that has a good bearing surface like my #1540 Sierra Spitzer flatbase. Know of any BTs with that and that will fit the factory blind magazine?
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
I shot under 5.5" @600yds last year with the 105AMAX in my 700 Rem, hoping to get even better results this year with the 105hpbt.
I shot under 5.5" @600yds last year with the 105AMAX in my 700 Rem, hoping to get even better results this year with the 105hpbt.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAT5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes they are great in that gun. I have worked with 2 of them.
95 VLD's would be a good option to try.
I also had good luck with 90 Scenars.
H4350 worked well for me.
They all are around .5 G1 BC.
This Idea that AMAX's/boattail/VLD's wont shoot should be noted as far from the norm.
</div></div>
Ive shot the 95VLDs in my 700, bullets are just barely hanging on when seated to touch the lands, but they did shoot in the mid 3s out to 100yds.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CAT5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes they are great in that gun. I have worked with 2 of them.
95 VLD's would be a good option to try.
I also had good luck with 90 Scenars.
H4350 worked well for me.
They all are around .5 G1 BC.
This Idea that AMAX's/boattail/VLD's wont shoot should be noted as far from the norm.
</div></div>
Ive shot the 95VLDs in my 700, bullets are just barely hanging on when seated to touch the lands, but they did shoot in the mid 3s out to 100yds.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
My thread on the subject, working very well.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...150#Post2749150
tried 107smk's last week and they are good just not seeing the velocity I wanted...
My thread on the subject, working very well.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...150#Post2749150
tried 107smk's last week and they are good just not seeing the velocity I wanted...
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
What twist were you using with the 107s? A fellow shooter informed me that he had better luck with the 107 SMK than the 95 SMK, but Sierra emphasizes a 1 in 8 for 107s. I'm not going to drop more $ on bullets that won't work for me.
What twist were you using with the 107s? A fellow shooter informed me that he had better luck with the 107 SMK than the 95 SMK, but Sierra emphasizes a 1 in 8 for 107s. I'm not going to drop more $ on bullets that won't work for me.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
I partly recommended the berger 90 BT because it has a short boat-tail, about half-way from a VLD to a flat-base. It also has a tangent ogive, making it more friendly to long-throated factory barrels. Berger also recommends a 10-twist or fast, which you have. They are $31/100 at powdervalley.
I partly recommended the berger 90 BT because it has a short boat-tail, about half-way from a VLD to a flat-base. It also has a tangent ogive, making it more friendly to long-throated factory barrels. Berger also recommends a 10-twist or fast, which you have. They are $31/100 at powdervalley.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
How far are you shooting with the 90-95 gr Berger?
How far are you shooting with the 90-95 gr Berger?
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
Get some 95 grain Sierra Matchkings and some H4350 or H4831SC. Load some rounds at mag length and work up a load using the OCW method. Bet you find a nice load.
The tangent ogive of the SMK is fairly jump tolerant. Mine were jumping roughly 0.050" while loaded to 2.830" to work in the internal magazine.
They will shoot as far as you can if you respect the conditions. I've put rounds on target at 1,760 yards, and the bullets were still pointing forward.
Get some 95 grain Sierra Matchkings and some H4350 or H4831SC. Load some rounds at mag length and work up a load using the OCW method. Bet you find a nice load.
The tangent ogive of the SMK is fairly jump tolerant. Mine were jumping roughly 0.050" while loaded to 2.830" to work in the internal magazine.
They will shoot as far as you can if you respect the conditions. I've put rounds on target at 1,760 yards, and the bullets were still pointing forward.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brandon05_88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get some 95 grain Sierra Matchkings and some H4350 or H4831SC. Load some rounds at mag length and work up a load using the OCW method. Bet you find a nice load.
The tangent ogive of the SMK is fairly jump tolerant. Mine were jumping roughly 0.050" while loaded to 2.830" to work in the internal magazine.
They will shoot as far as you can if you respect the conditions. I've put rounds on target at 1,760 yards, and the bullets were still pointing forward. </div></div>
Been there. Done it. Doesn't work for my 243 Win. But I am with you on the fact that SMKs tend to be very tolerant of jump. Many others are not, but they are. I've had great conversations with bullet techs and they've stated the same thing that I've observed. Today I spoke with another tech and he said he's witnessed it too, as well as feedback that he has received from consumers...A lot of factory rifles don't like BTs.
My interest in the 105 A-Max was short lived because of the honest opinion that a tech expressed to me. He also said that many folks may like a BT for some carzy reasons like: just because they are smooth to seat, cool high tech look, among many other non-legitimate reasons . We talked about a few other factors. He also stated he'd love to see a box of 100ct on my bench, BUT if the rifle hasn't liked other BTs, it won't like theirs either. I must say I appreciate his honesty.
And I will be selling the remaining 95gr SMKs that I have.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brandon05_88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get some 95 grain Sierra Matchkings and some H4350 or H4831SC. Load some rounds at mag length and work up a load using the OCW method. Bet you find a nice load.
The tangent ogive of the SMK is fairly jump tolerant. Mine were jumping roughly 0.050" while loaded to 2.830" to work in the internal magazine.
They will shoot as far as you can if you respect the conditions. I've put rounds on target at 1,760 yards, and the bullets were still pointing forward. </div></div>
Been there. Done it. Doesn't work for my 243 Win. But I am with you on the fact that SMKs tend to be very tolerant of jump. Many others are not, but they are. I've had great conversations with bullet techs and they've stated the same thing that I've observed. Today I spoke with another tech and he said he's witnessed it too, as well as feedback that he has received from consumers...A lot of factory rifles don't like BTs.
My interest in the 105 A-Max was short lived because of the honest opinion that a tech expressed to me. He also said that many folks may like a BT for some carzy reasons like: just because they are smooth to seat, cool high tech look, among many other non-legitimate reasons . We talked about a few other factors. He also stated he'd love to see a box of 100ct on my bench, BUT if the rifle hasn't liked other BTs, it won't like theirs either. I must say I appreciate his honesty.
And I will be selling the remaining 95gr SMKs that I have.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
I've had great accuracy with the Berger 88 grain VLD flat base. It'll blow in the wind more than the heavier 105's though.
I advise you have your barrel re crowned. That's the only reason I can think of why it wouldn't shoot BT's well.
I've had great accuracy with the Berger 88 grain VLD flat base. It'll blow in the wind more than the heavier 105's though.
I advise you have your barrel re crowned. That's the only reason I can think of why it wouldn't shoot BT's well.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
boltgunluvr, I have the remington varmint, it is my understanding that all 243's from remington are 9.125
Accuracy was good but not great with the 107, not great meaning 1/2-3/4" groups at 100. I shot it out to 800 durring testing so I am sure it is stable. Just didnt get the velocity I was hoping for so I will continue to use hornady amax and berger vlds, both 105 grain bullets. Pictures of those near the end of my thread at 1000y. Bergers have worked well seated into the lands and jumped but I dont have my info at hand to tell you how much of a jump...
boltgunluvr, I have the remington varmint, it is my understanding that all 243's from remington are 9.125
Accuracy was good but not great with the 107, not great meaning 1/2-3/4" groups at 100. I shot it out to 800 durring testing so I am sure it is stable. Just didnt get the velocity I was hoping for so I will continue to use hornady amax and berger vlds, both 105 grain bullets. Pictures of those near the end of my thread at 1000y. Bergers have worked well seated into the lands and jumped but I dont have my info at hand to tell you how much of a jump...
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
I going to try a few more things with the 95 gr SMKs that I have on hand. Spoke with a person that stated they had better groups with jumping quite a bit. Loading shorter than mag length! I know, doesn't make much sense to me, but I'll give it a whirl. I've tried everything out to a .050 jump, so might as well go a tad further. Got nothing to lose.
I going to try a few more things with the 95 gr SMKs that I have on hand. Spoke with a person that stated they had better groups with jumping quite a bit. Loading shorter than mag length! I know, doesn't make much sense to me, but I'll give it a whirl. I've tried everything out to a .050 jump, so might as well go a tad further. Got nothing to lose.
Re: 105 A-Max out of a 1 in 9.125 (std Rem 700)
This evening I said screw it...loaded some of my 95 SMK at 2.800 COAL to fit comfortably in the mag. Used 40.5 gr of H4350 because it was in the middle of the recommended charges. It grouped .80 @ 100 yds. Best yet, BUT its pulled this crap on me before, only to return to crappy groups. Anyone...........anyone????
This evening I said screw it...loaded some of my 95 SMK at 2.800 COAL to fit comfortably in the mag. Used 40.5 gr of H4350 because it was in the middle of the recommended charges. It grouped .80 @ 100 yds. Best yet, BUT its pulled this crap on me before, only to return to crappy groups. Anyone...........anyone????
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