NYC zero tolerance on blades ... even 1"

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#1
I really have misgivings about going up there, even though I have to occasionally.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">Seminary Student Sentenced to Community Service in Stop-and-Frisk Plea Deal</span></span>

MANHATTAN CRIMINAL COURT — A Christian ministry student who was arrested on his first-ever visit to the Big Apple after a cop found a one-inch blade in his pocket during a stop-and-frisk was sentenced to two days of community service and a fine Monday.

Considering that Clayton Baltzer, 19, starts his annual summer gig working with special needs children at the Arrowhead Bible Camp near his Pennsylvania college on Friday, Baltzer will likely complete his sentence by Saturday night.

On the Inside first reported Baltzer's story Monday morning just before the city’s most unassuming perpetrator appeared in Manhattan Criminal Court along with scores of real miscreants in handcuffs.

Baltzer and his relieved father, Tim, drove 11 hours on Sunday to get here from Columbus, Ohio home in time for Clayton Baltzer's court date. They said they could not wait to pay the $125 fine and get back in their car for the 500 mile ride home.

Hell will likely freeze over before they return.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120521...frisk-plea-deal</div></div>
 
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Makes me glad I don't live there. I got pulled over for no seat belt three weeks ago on my way to shoot pigs, had my DPS .308 with suppressor and loaded mag in the front seat. Cop asked if the mag was loaded when I replied yes he told me to take it out and toss it behind the seat and I'd be go to go and to have a nice day.

New York sounds like it sucks balls.
 
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Maybe if they let a few law abiding citizens carry guns or knives they wouldn't have so much crime to worry about.

Stop and frisk?? That's like Samarra Iraq in 2004. What a joke. They should ashamed of themselves.

If we just let places this anti-american cede the union, then maybe when the twin towers got hit we wouldn't even have to be involved. We could let the police state of new york city provide its own national defense.
 
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Ug. I had the NYPD pull the same stuff on me, tried to get my knife to open by flicking but couldn't, thank goodness. Just got a summons. But they took my knife.

It's illegal to have any part of a knife showing in NYC, so they look for clips in pockets.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if they let a few law abiding citizens carry guns or knives they wouldn't have so much crime to worry about.
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They actually handled out whistles to elderly folk recently where there was a rash of muggings.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mister Ouchie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if they let a few law abiding citizens carry guns or knives they wouldn't have so much crime to worry about.
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They actually handled out whistles to elderly folk recently where there was a rash of muggings. </div></div>

Oh that's just terrible. How could anyone in good conscience do that? Why not hand out pepper spray instead?
 
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to many bad guys ran into stuff after they were sprayed and sued the city<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mister Ouchie</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe if they let a few law abiding citizens carry guns or knives they wouldn't have so much crime to worry about.
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They actually handled out whistles to elderly folk recently where there was a rash of muggings. </div></div>

Oh that's just terrible. How could anyone in good conscience do that? Why not hand out pepper spray instead? </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is this stop and frisk shit?? </div></div>

Offhand, I'd say that it was the beginning of the slow death of the 4th Amendment.
 
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It can get worse, talk with an actual New Yorker and ask them about this sort of stuff. They are blind to it or numb to it... at least the ones I know are.
 
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Remind me again why I should give a crap about NY/CA/NJ/etc?

They're kinda like the gay, hippie, meth head cousin- better off not part of the family, rotting in a jail cell somewhere instead of ruining Christmas with their stories about being a gay hippie meth head.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remind me again why I should give a crap about NY/CA/NJ/etc?

They're kinda like the gay, hippie, meth head cousin- better off not part of the family, rotting in a jail cell somewhere instead of ruining Christmas with their stories about being a gay hippie meth head. </div></div>
LOL, Awesome.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remind me again why I should give a crap about NY/CA/NJ/etc?

They're kinda like the gay, hippie, meth head cousin- better off not part of the family, rotting in a jail cell somewhere instead of ruining Christmas with their stories about being a gay hippie meth head. </div></div>
LOL, Awesome. </div></div>

Which means that they're still family.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remind me again why I should give a crap about NY/CA/NJ/etc?

They're kinda like the gay, hippie, meth head cousin- better off not part of the family, rotting in a jail cell somewhere instead of ruining Christmas with their stories about being a gay hippie meth head. </div></div>
LOL, Awesome. </div></div>

Which means that they're still family.</div></div>

Bad blood has no place in a body.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Screw NY. 1% of the cities make the rules for the rest of the state? That state is so freakin asinine it should be burned to the dirt(except where the good people live) </div></div>

The Mayor thinks that he makes rules that should be applied to the rest of the <span style="font-style: italic">country.</span>

I just don't like the idea of arbitrarily giving up on what's part of our Union, diseased or not. Once you let a surgeon cut, it gets easier and easier to dismiss portions of the whole.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Screw NY. 1% of the cities make the rules for the rest of the state? That state is so freakin asinine it should be burned to the dirt(except where the good people live) </div></div>

The Mayor thinks that he makes rules that should be applied to the rest of the <span style="font-style: italic">country.</span>

I just don't like the idea of arbitrarily giving up on what's part of our Union, diseased or not. Once you let a surgeon cut, it gets easier and easier to dismiss portions of the whole. </div></div>

Damn, I actually agree with Veer G, wtf is the world coming to.
 
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Essentially, the appellate courts have held for the citizen as to this basic fact as applicapable to guns, and therefore other legal forms of carriable weaponry:

No city can abrigate the right's accorded by the state(state says blades under 4"). No State may abrigate the rights granted and outlined as free rights by the US Constitution/Bill of Rights(which has no requirment to length of blade that can be carried)

Also the state must remember that it is within the right of all men to protect themselves with whatever means they have at their disposal. There is a reason I gave my boy a very nicely tuned Ken Onion Kershaw with a tanto blade and assisted opening. The fact that the suppressive state and county and city will not allow anyone to obtain a CCW means that he will work to learn forms of martial arts and the use of even the smallest blades in that discipline. I think those behaviors as applied to blades are natural instinct for his girl weho happens to be Puerto Rican as well
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Makes me glad I don't live there. I got pulled over for no seat belt three weeks ago on my way to shoot pigs, had my DPS .308 with suppressor and loaded mag in the front seat. Cop asked if the mag was loaded when I replied yes he told me to take it out and toss it behind the seat and I'd be go to go and to have a nice day.

New York sounds like it sucks balls. </div></div>

From what I was told by an OHP and a firearms instructor who also happens to be 30yr veteran of Oklahoma law enforcement, what that officer instructed you to do is absolute bullshit.

What I was told directly, by both individuals, is there is NO law in Oklahoma that prohibits the transportation of a rifle with a loaded magazine. As long as there isn't a round loaded in the chamber, you're good to go.

As for carrying a pistol, again, there is nothing that states you must have either the ammo and/or the firearm out of reach. Specifically, the law states a bullet cannot be in the working mechanism of the firearm, unless of course you have a concealed carry permit.

Therefore, as long as the magazine isn't in the magazine well, there is nothing you can be charged with pertaining to the carrying of a firearm, even if the magazine and firearm are both within reach, as long as you inform the officer who has stopped you that you have a firearm in the vehicle. It is not a 'concealed weapon' if you notify the officer of possession and inform him/her of its whereabouts.
 
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Never going....never wanted to go. I refuse to travel in any state where I cannot carry my pistol. You have to wonder why some areas of this country are going so far away from the individual freedoms and rights upon which the USA was founded.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remind me again why I should give a crap about NY/CA/NJ/etc?

They're kinda like the gay, hippie, meth head cousin- better off not part of the family, rotting in a jail cell somewhere instead of ruining Christmas with their stories about being a gay hippie meth head.</div></div>

Funny you should say that, you must be at the south end of the springs. LOL!

Air Force Cadets

Sorry my brother, but I just had to! call me a peckerwood. got a brother in the springs and one in Guffy.
 
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I'm on the west side of the springs, just south of Hwy24.

Openly gay AF cadets? I thought the Navy had been doing that for years. Flyboys behind the times?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is this stop and frisk shit?? </div></div>Offhand, I'd say that it was the beginning of the slow death of the 4th Amendment. </div></div>What 4th Amendment?
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It's not stop and frisk for no reason, but probable cause, as I understand it. The police saw evidence of carrying a knife, so they stopped the individuals to make sure it was NYC legal (assuming that not all knives are illegal for carry, just ones with poor blade tension and a strong cop with a flicking wrist). No different than a cop might stop someone who is printing with their CCW weapon, has a weak sear spring, and gets nailed for carrying a machine pistol- assuming there is a way to test such a thing.

The issue isn't the violation of the 4th amendment, because it goes beyond that and delves into all sorts of other things.

Unnecessary and Improper eh?

I'll not be visiting NYC on purpose.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think those behaviors as applied to blades are natural instinct for his girl weho happens to be Puerto Rican as well
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Uh, yeah, right ...

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Her name isn't Maria, by any chance?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The issue isn't the violation of the 4th amendment, because it goes beyond that and delves into all sorts of other things.</div></div>Like what? The article said it was a stop and frisk. That's a search. They took the knife. That's a siezure.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm on the west side of the springs, just south of Hwy24.

Openly gay AF cadets? I thought the Navy had been doing that for years. Flyboys behind the times?
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</div></div> ROFLMAO! Man that is cold! touche!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The issue isn't the violation of the 4th amendment, because it goes beyond that and delves into all sorts of other things.</div></div>Like what? The article said it was a stop and frisk. That's a search. They took the knife. That's a siezure.</div></div>

The article said the officers saw indicating factors of a person in possession of a potentially illegal weapon, and conducted a search. That the knife was able to fit into the vague description of the law by sheer force, instead of gravity, makes it questionable as such would indicate a "false gravity" knife, which is to say, not a real one and certainly not illegal.

Did you actually read the article?

If I, as a cop, were to see something indicating a weapon of possible illegality, and I checked, and it fit the description, how am I violating a 4th amendment right?

Sounds like enforcing of the law to me. This wouldn't have been an issue if not for a stupid law.

Remember, everything Hitler did in Germany was legal, and everything being done here is as well. Whether it's right or not is another issue.

You can't peg cops for violating the law by upholding the law. It's the law that is the issue, not the 4th Amendment. Cops don't decide Constitutionality, asshat lawyers do.
 
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The problem is that it's basically under the officer's discretion as to how far he'll go to categorize a folding knife as a gravity knife. The officer who examined my knife (rightfully, as I had the clip exposed) tried to flick it open via the handle, and then when he couldn't, via the blade. Thankfully he still couldn't. He said that if he had been able to open it, he could classify it as a gravity knife and arrest me. It's the vagueness of the "gravity knife" law that is the problem. Which they also used to fine lots of retailers for selling folding knives btw.

And despite it being perfect legal to carry some knives in NYC, I never do anymore when I go there.
 
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Is there something in our job requirements that gives us a choice of not enforcing laws? Please, tell your boss you don't like a company policy and you refuse to abide by it. Let us know how it goes for ya.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remember, everything Hitler did in Germany was legal, and everything being done here is as well. Whether it's right or not is another issue.

You can't peg cops for violating the law by upholding the law. It's the law that is the issue, not the 4th Amendment. Cops don't decide Constitutionality, asshat lawyers do.</div></div>

EXACTLY! Lets not forget the the politicians who write this shit legislation to begin with.
I have never been, and never plan on going to NYC. I have told my bride if she wants to see her sister's family, they know where we live and are more than welcome in our house.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I, as a cop, were to see something indicating a weapon of possible illegality, and I checked, and it fit the description, how am I violating a 4th amendment right?</div></div>I didn't say that there was a 4th Amendment violation, but to answer your question: You would violate the 4th Amendment by improperly searching for it and/or siezing it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cops don't decide Constitutionality, asshat lawyers do. </div></div>Wow. The Supreme Court justices called asshats. Good job making your position sound credible.
 
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NY is bullshit... I had a VERY good job offer to take over a project in NYC when I leave here. Would rather go home and sack groceries than go to NYC....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there something in our job requirements that gives us a choice of not enforcing laws? Please, tell your boss you don't like a company policy and you refuse to abide by it. Let us know how it goes for ya.</div></div>

Is that really a serious question? If I was sloshing out cinnamon dolce nonfat lattes to the next jackass in line then I wouldn't consider the company "policy" that important. As a law enforcement or military officer exercising force then YES I absolutely question "policy". I took an oath- and I meant it. When you get handed BS policy you have a choice to make. You can take the path of least resistance and defend your own wellbeing or you can make a stand right where you are. You ALWAYS have a choice.
When I briefed my wingman before a mission I tried to emphasize one thing above all else: that they, as individuals, were responsible for every weapon on the jet. Never surrender your individual judgment about what is the right thing to do, because later, when you make it back home and are lying in bed the Rules of engagement or "policy" in place at the time won't be much consolation when you know in your heart that you should have, or should not have, dropped that bomb.
That may sound far removed from the impact of the choices available to the individual law enforcement officer. After all, is a questionable stop and frisk really life and death? If so, I suggest that you are underestimating the importance of your profession as a professional law enforcement officer. Law enforcement in our republic, done correctly, is one of the noblest callings there is because it is unique among the nations because of its respect for the citizen over force. There are many nations where crime is low but then so is liberty. The fact that we as a nation value liberty more than safety is not your fault despite the jackasses who complain about crime rates. We rely on your restraint to preserve our liberty but our duty to you in return is to not to blame you when society, as a result of more freedom, is also more risky.

I understand that law enforcement is stuck between a Rock and a hard place. You get blamed when a crime happens and get blamed when you infringe on a person's rights or privacy even if you are trying to prevent crime. As a patriot, I would respectfully ask that you remember what your first duty is: to preserve liberty. In doing so the courts have found and I agree that you are under no obligation to protect me individually because I assume the risk of our free society whether I want to or not. Sometimes upholding the law and our way of life involves nailing a bad guy. More often it involves letting someone go because our law and sense of liberty prevents intervention. My hope is that the latter doesn't keep you up at night. It shouldn't because even if a crime is committed later by that person it is NOT the fault of LE, because risk is a natural part of freedom. Sleep sound in knowledge that freedom was protected first and foremost, because that is and hopefully forever will be our priority. The law enforcement officer does just as much in his restraint to preserve liberty as the soldier does in his vigor. When we can no longer tell the difference, liberty is lost.
 
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I got a perfect solution ...

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You just slap one of those bad boys high up on the non-business end of a discreet little electric cucumber and stick it in your front pocket. About the third or fourth time they haul one of those out instead of a folding knife they're gonna be well fed up ...

... although I'd love to see Officer Biceps go ahead and try to prove that it's a gravity uh, uh, whatever that thing is ...

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Eddie I don't think that is true of all NYC cops. In fact, I'd say local small town police have a higher incident of corruption as there tends to be less oversight. I'm not even convinced that cops on the average are any less principled than any other profession. It's just that a plumber without integrity means water in your basement and a lot of expense. Bad law enforcement is literally a threat to you and your family's entire future.
Frankly, given the authority they possess and the loss of liberty bad policing brings, the career ought to be much harder to enter and pay much more, as much as themilitary officer grades in my opinion. Since by definition they are tasked with the discretion to use force against our own people the application standards and the rewards should be commensurate with that grave responsibility. Currently it is not, which is part of the problem. I'm not saying that getting paid is the sole reason people perform on the job, but let's face it if you were shopping for heart surgeons or your airline pilot basing the decision on the lowest bidder is not a sound plan. You will have a higher chance of drawing talent when the compensation is attractive.
If we value law enforcement that defends liberty and integrity above all, our budgets don't always reflect that. It's just one aspect of the issue along with training and leadership, but an important one nonetheless.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is this stop and frisk shit?? </div></div>

Offhand, I'd say that it was the beginning of the slow death of the 4th Amendment.</div></div>

+1 VG,
but it dont sound like a slow death for the 4th, its just flat dead if random search is the norm
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> New York sounds like it sucks balls. </div></div>

You guys have no idea how bad it truly is, and NYC is the worst of the worst.

Your constitutional protections end once you cross the NYS border.

As for this story, another instance of NYC conducting illegal searches to generate revenue for a broke city.

Hope this kid gets on board with the Class Action lawsuit against NYPD.
 
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One of my best friends is a Pastor, and his twin is a Pastor in the community that this happened in.

The kid in question was an avid outdoorsmen and active in the youth community, taking kids camping and teaching them to live in the woods. To him, the pocket knife was part of his normal day to day life.

So when he went on a christian field trip to NYC, he didn't think twice when he got dressed, and grabbed his pocket knife, just like he would add his wallet.

After the incident, there was some controversy if the community should try to fight the charge, since the guy works with youths and there was some worry about the future implications of the charges. But the guy owned up to it, said he was unaware of the law, was sorry and would not have carried if he had known they law, and would never be back.


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PS Don't hate all of NY, north of Orange county, we are pretty much all rural folk. We hate NYC and the effect that the 1% have over us, but our families, businesses, and land are here. Its not so easy to leave when your farm has been in your family for 66 years.
 
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Really doubt that story. The law is a 4inch blade in the city. There is more that you aren't hearing I will bet. Been a NYC Cop for 13yrs and there is no way you can get arrested for a 1inch blade. Also if you work at a place that requires a knife there is no issue. Can't wait to see how many people will flame me? 600 arrest in that time frame I know the law.
 
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New York Penal Law 265.01(1) - The Switchblade & Gravity Knife Statute

Read the story, it's a bullshit charge, and yet another Stop and Frisk disgrace.

Brian, TWO guys were in Court the same day for the same BULLSHIT misapplication of the Statute.



"An undercover cop spied a clasp dangling from Baltzer's pocket that connected to a one-inch pocket knife. After he was stopped and frisked, cops repeatedly flicked the knife to see if it would open through centrifugal force. That would make it a gravity knife, and illegal. After several tries, cops flicked the knife open, and Baltzer was arrested.

That's the same thing that happened to Michael Hotwagner, 30, a Muskegon, Mich., native who teaches Spanish in Greenpoint.

Hotwagner, who coincidentally was also in court Monday with Baltzer, was stopped and frisked in Union Square en route to his class when another undercover cop spied a clasp hanging out of his pocket that was connected to a utility tool that had a small blade."


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Enforcement of the rules and regs.
I recently had a good experience with NYPD.
There are some NYPD on this site that had they known who I was would have taken me straight to jail, however, there are a few back there that have brains and can see and deal with things right.
Here are the facts, I recently went Back East to stay with my new brother&sister in law by the marriage of our siblings.
Their daughter married my son,
Both my Squaw and I love her dearly, even though she is from NY.
While there we were down on Manhatten, the Bronx, and other areas taking in the sights and both in awe at what is there.
We are both naibobs from the country.
The Squaw's{AKA Panty 6+] camera strap came unraveled and was a mess in the snaps for it.
The only thing to do was cut it out and shorten it a bit, so I got out my pocket knife[Shrades Old Timer 70T] and go to work on it. Sharpened to about 3 1/2 inches and a Bic lighter to melt the ends down with.
This was going on on a bench in the subway.
Two OFFICERS approached and watched what was going down, after the repair was made and the knife back in my pocket they came forward and talked to us.
"Are you from here?" Obviously not as my coveralls gave that away.
"No, we are from Colorado."
The other one told me,"Long knives are against the law here."
I had no idea, and was astonished by what he said.
It is the one thing I make sure I have when I change out my coveralls.
They both examined my knife and both told me,"Fine edge, you use it all the time." I told them yes "It is a tool that I rely on"
They handed it back and informed me of the laws and how ignorant I was of those laws and told me not to use it in public places but were glad that something like that was around.
A salute was exchanged after they asked me about the CIB pin on my hat and all was well.
There are GOOD COPS on NYPD but I sure was glad to get out of there.
You can have all of the Big Apple you want, just count me absent.
Regards, FM
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foul Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Enforcement of the rules and regs.
I recently had a good experience with NYPD.
There are some NYPD on this site that had they known who I was would have taken me straight to jail, however, there are a few back there that have brains and can see and deal with things right.
Here are the facts, I recently went Back East to stay with my new brother&sister in law by the marriage of our siblings.
Their daughter married my son,
Both my Squaw and I love her dearly, even though she is from NY.
While there we were down on Manhatten, the Bronx, and other areas taking in the sights and both in awe at what is there.
We are both naibobs from the country.
The Squaw's{AKA Panty 6+] camera strap came unraveled and was a mess in the snaps for it.
The only thing to do was cut it out and shorten it a bit, so I got out my pocket knife[Shrades Old Timer 70T] and go to work on it. Sharpened to about 3 1/2 inches and a Bic lighter to melt the ends down with.
This was going on on a bench in the subway.
Two OFFICERS approached and watched what was going down, after the repair was made and the knife back in my pocket they came forward and talked to us.
"Are you from here?" Obviously not as my coveralls gave that away.
"No, we are from Colorado."
The other one told me,"Long knives are against the law here."
I had no idea, and was astonished by what he said.
It is the one thing I make sure I have when I change out my coveralls.
They both examined my knife and both told me,"Fine edge, you use it all the time." I told them yes "It is a tool that I rely on"
They handed it back and informed me of the laws and how ignorant I was of those laws and told me not to use it in public places but were glad that something like that was around.
A salute was exchanged after they asked me about the CIB pin on my hat and all was well.
There are GOOD COPS on NYPD but I sure was glad to get out of there.
You can have all of the Big Apple you want, just count me absent.
Regards, FM </div></div>

I reached the same conclusion many moons past, FM. Theres nothing that I want badly enough to ever again cross the Hudson River south of Tarreytown. Can you imaigine if you were in Manhattan and some terrorist released a bio agent and they closed all the bridges...in seconds the price of a Nedicks hot dog would go to $100,000 per frankfuter
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. Though it cost him a career, John Rocker had it right.
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