Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

[JonnyIndy]

I took my Kidd supergrade 10 22 out today to Chabot for it's trial run. Sighted it in at 50 yds, put a few magazines down range to break in the barrel(as recommended), all with CCI standard velocity.


We noticed the CCI not performing as well as hoped, so we picked up some Eley from the range(mucho $$). The accuracy went way up, except for the the first shot of each mag.


This is where I need some help, or opinion.......i'll take what I can get


As I said, the first shot of each magazine consistently went high and right, then the group settled down to about 1/2 to 3/4 MOA, every time....

Needless to say, we were baffled.....
could it possibly be the bolt slamming home too hard and disrupting the first round???


Anyway, let's hear your thoughts please


Here's a pic of the target, reference the bottom 2 rows for this (bottom left is 2 mags, so an 18 shot group with 2 flyers...)

one with the tri-mag

the Kidd supergrade 10 22, with a buddy in the background on the Anschutz .17 hm2

and the Kidd before heading out

to answer a few preliminary questions

rings are tight, but this is the first rifle this scope has been on

CCI had first shot flyers, as well as the Federal, and the Eley

Did try to gently chanber the first round, same results

Did not try to load the mag with less than 10 rounds, I'll give that a try

First round flyers happened with single mags as well as the tri-mags

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

This exact same thing happens on mine. Except it is this curve looking shape about an inch high to the left and each successive shot for the first 5 rounds will move its way to point of aim. That is why I got the Boyd tacticool and will be bedding it sometime this or next week to see if it cures the problem.

 

[Helmet]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

I'm really just taking a wild guess here since I don't know, but maybe the round in the chamber gets heated up a little and has higher pressure.

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

That may explain a high or low flyer but not the high right or high left.

 

[TonyAngel]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

I was having the same problem. My 10/22 is all Kidd, except the receiver. When I called Kidd about it, the guy (Tony, I believe it was) said that I would need to go out and buy 20 or so magazines and test them out. He said that odds were that I'd get 4 or 5 out of the 20 that would perform better than the others.

I didn't go out and buy 20, but I did buy 5 and got 1 that worked well (if I remember right). Since then, I've been buying them up used. I now have four mags that don't throw the first round when chambered by hand.

Another thing you can try is not running the rifle dry.

 

[JonnyIndy]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

Great suggestions guys, thx.

I'll try these out and report back.

As well, I'll probably call Tony Kidd to see what he says, he built it

 

[Helmet]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That may explain a high or low flyer but not the high right or high left. </div></div>It might not be as obvious, but sometimes more pressure can also move the poi to the side a little in addition to higher. I won't really pretend understand why, but if I load hotter rounds that happens sometimes. Maybe it causes more barrel vibration. Not sure.

 

[RollingThunder51]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

Johny,

Does buying new mags make any sense to you? Me neither.

Try this:

Load five rounds into any mag.

Insert the mag into your 10/22

Pull back the bolt and chamber the first round, do NOT fire. Place rifle on safety.

Take the mag out. Remember you have one in the chamber. Empty that mag of the other four. Set those four aside.

Cycle the bolt softly, ejecting the unfired round on a cloth. Set that round aside apart from the other four. We will call that chambered round "the chambered and unfired round."

Now:

1. Load the "Chambered and unfired round" FIRST into the same (now empty) mag. It is now that LAST round that will be shot.

2. Load the other four rounds you set aside, in any order, next.

3. Put the mag into your 10/22

4. Chamber the first round and carefully fire.

5. Fire the remaining rounds carefully.

DID THE FIRST AND LAST ROUND DO A RIGHT HAND HIGH FLYER?

 

[thickstrings]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

Why not just use the 1st rnd as a foul shot?........ I was told once that the first round was hand cycled,so it is not put in the chamber with the same even force as a shot cycled round also, bolt is being pulled from the side instead of straight back...when I cycle my 1st shot , I let it fly hard..... donknow fersure...

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Johny,

Does buying new mags make any sense to you? Me neither.

Try this:

Load five rounds into any mag.

Insert the mag into your 10/22

Pull back the bolt and chamber the first round, do NOT fire. Place rifle on safety.

Take the mag out. Remember you have one in the chamber. Empty that mag of the other four. Set those four aside.

Cycle the bolt softly, ejecting the unfired round on a cloth. Set that round aside apart from the other four. We will call that chambered round "the chambered and unfired round."

Now:

1. Load the "Chambered and unfired round" FIRST into the same (now empty) mag. It is now that LAST round that will be shot.

2. Load the other four rounds you set aside, in any order, next.

3. Put the mag into your 10/22

4. Chamber the first round and carefully fire.

5. Fire the remaining rounds carefully.

DID THE FIRST AND LAST ROUND DO A RIGHT HAND HIGH FLYER?
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Ohh you may have something there. I will have to give that a try. I see the logic in that.

 

[JonnyIndy]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Johny,

Does buying new mags make any sense to you? Me neither.

Try this:

Load five rounds into any mag.

Insert the mag into your 10/22

Pull back the bolt and chamber the first round, do NOT fire. Place rifle on safety.

Take the mag out. Remember you have one in the chamber. Empty that mag of the other four. Set those four aside.

Cycle the bolt softly, ejecting the unfired round on a cloth. Set that round aside apart from the other four. We will call that chambered round "the chambered and unfired round."

Now:

1. Load the "Chambered and unfired round" FIRST into the same (now empty) mag. It is now that LAST round that will be shot.

2. Load the other four rounds you set aside, in any order, next.

3. Put the mag into your 10/22

4. Chamber the first round and carefully fire.

5. Fire the remaining rounds carefully.

DID THE FIRST AND LAST ROUND DO A RIGHT HAND HIGH FLYER?
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great idea

I will try this and report back

thx

 

[CarlsonCustoms]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

I'd call Tony first and see what he says. I'm still not sure what magazines have to do with a flyer but what do I know.

 

[clodhopper]

Re: Kidd Supergrade 1022, first shot flyers, need help

My rifle has similar problems, I keep picking at the bedding, never thought of magazines as the cause.