Carnage, I say!
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Re: Carnage, I say!
Look; if Russia wants to recycle the materials from unserviceable government owned weapons, what of it?
As for servicable firearms, anyone who destroys a marketable asset is a fool, whatever the reason; and doubly so for smarmy feel-good antigun reasons. If Russia is uncomfortable with basic service rifles in the hands of it citizenry, I can't say I trust their reasoning in other matters, either; and I definitely think their citizens are getting as deliberately dumbed-down/thumbed-down as most others, ours included.
This world has problems, and they're not getting helped by depriving common citizens of the most basic right to an effective means of self defense. Our government, such as it is, is not a bad one when it's compared to a lot of what else is out there. but no government is so trustworthy as to warrant ceding one'e family's safety exclusively to a government's tender ministrations. If Russia is any better, it's a surprise to me. Even a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 or an M-44 in the common household would go a long way toward nipping mass atrocities in the bud. It not like there's none of that going on in our world today, and there's not a government extant that doesn't know that very well.
Too bad governments have chosen categorically to commonly disenfranchise their citizenries in this area. It's about the power, and power, simply put, always corrupts. Too much of that in our world already; and we don't neeed more of the same, even in Russia; and maybe even especially in Russia.
It's not about guns, it's about effective personal defensive arms. Back in the mid-second millenium, the same issuea came up regarding longbows, and later, crossbows. In New York City, right to this day; it's even about pocket knives.
The gentry doesn't want the commoner armed, ever, period. Never has, I doubt they ever will. No matter how hard folks try to deny it, there will always be commoners, and there will always be the gentry, no matter what the current Emperor's new clothes look like.
Give a government the option on individual basic firearms ownership, and they always seem to choose against it; and some try even when the option is clearly prohibited from being among their options. You give a government such powers, and they get really jealous of them. That's why we were wise not to, and why many in and close to govermnent would like to see a do-over on the subject. If anybody really thinks this doesn't warrant close scrutiny and personal commitment; I think they're fools, and self-damned fools, at that.
Greg
Look; if Russia wants to recycle the materials from unserviceable government owned weapons, what of it?
As for servicable firearms, anyone who destroys a marketable asset is a fool, whatever the reason; and doubly so for smarmy feel-good antigun reasons. If Russia is uncomfortable with basic service rifles in the hands of it citizenry, I can't say I trust their reasoning in other matters, either; and I definitely think their citizens are getting as deliberately dumbed-down/thumbed-down as most others, ours included.
This world has problems, and they're not getting helped by depriving common citizens of the most basic right to an effective means of self defense. Our government, such as it is, is not a bad one when it's compared to a lot of what else is out there. but no government is so trustworthy as to warrant ceding one'e family's safety exclusively to a government's tender ministrations. If Russia is any better, it's a surprise to me. Even a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 or an M-44 in the common household would go a long way toward nipping mass atrocities in the bud. It not like there's none of that going on in our world today, and there's not a government extant that doesn't know that very well.
Too bad governments have chosen categorically to commonly disenfranchise their citizenries in this area. It's about the power, and power, simply put, always corrupts. Too much of that in our world already; and we don't neeed more of the same, even in Russia; and maybe even especially in Russia.
It's not about guns, it's about effective personal defensive arms. Back in the mid-second millenium, the same issuea came up regarding longbows, and later, crossbows. In New York City, right to this day; it's even about pocket knives.
The gentry doesn't want the commoner armed, ever, period. Never has, I doubt they ever will. No matter how hard folks try to deny it, there will always be commoners, and there will always be the gentry, no matter what the current Emperor's new clothes look like.
Give a government the option on individual basic firearms ownership, and they always seem to choose against it; and some try even when the option is clearly prohibited from being among their options. You give a government such powers, and they get really jealous of them. That's why we were wise not to, and why many in and close to govermnent would like to see a do-over on the subject. If anybody really thinks this doesn't warrant close scrutiny and personal commitment; I think they're fools, and self-damned fools, at that.
Greg
Re: Carnage, I say!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Meanwhile, Russia’s biggest arsenal Izhmash, had to suspend its destruction program after misplacing approximately 80 AKM rifles.</div></div>
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Money quote:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Meanwhile, Russia’s biggest arsenal Izhmash, had to suspend its destruction program after misplacing approximately 80 AKM rifles.</div></div>
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Re: Carnage, I say!
While I understand the destruction of machine guns that cannot be exported to the U.S., I don't follow the logic of destroying the Mosins, Tokarevs, SKS's, etc. that could be exported.
It would seem there's a lot more $$ to be made from selling, rather than destroying these weapons. Just use the proceeds for unemployment benefits for the plant employees- and preserve the weapons.
To think there's a lot of purists that cringe over modifying a run-of-the-mill 91/30...and here is the country that made them melting them down for scrap.
While I understand the destruction of machine guns that cannot be exported to the U.S., I don't follow the logic of destroying the Mosins, Tokarevs, SKS's, etc. that could be exported.
It would seem there's a lot more $$ to be made from selling, rather than destroying these weapons. Just use the proceeds for unemployment benefits for the plant employees- and preserve the weapons.
To think there's a lot of purists that cringe over modifying a run-of-the-mill 91/30...and here is the country that made them melting them down for scrap.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I understand the destruction of machine guns that cannot be exported to the U.S., I don't follow the logic of destroying the Mosins, Tokarevs, SKS's, etc. that could be exported.
It would seem there's a lot more $$ to be made from selling, rather than destroying these weapons. Just use the proceeds for unemployment benefits for the plant employees- and preserve the weapons.
To think there's a lot of purists that cringe over modifying a run-of-the-mill 91/30...and here is the country that made them melting them down for scrap.
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I think they're signatories to the same small arms non-proliferation yahoo crap that they're attempting to force on the American people to the detriment of 2A.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While I understand the destruction of machine guns that cannot be exported to the U.S., I don't follow the logic of destroying the Mosins, Tokarevs, SKS's, etc. that could be exported.
It would seem there's a lot more $$ to be made from selling, rather than destroying these weapons. Just use the proceeds for unemployment benefits for the plant employees- and preserve the weapons.
To think there's a lot of purists that cringe over modifying a run-of-the-mill 91/30...and here is the country that made them melting them down for scrap.
</div></div>
I think they're signatories to the same small arms non-proliferation yahoo crap that they're attempting to force on the American people to the detriment of 2A.
Re: Carnage, I say!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wheat for guns!
Wheat for guns!
Wheat for guns! </div></div>
i'd GLADLY send them a couple hundred pounds of wheat for some delicious russian metal >=]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wheat for guns!
Wheat for guns!
Wheat for guns! </div></div>
i'd GLADLY send them a couple hundred pounds of wheat for some delicious russian metal >=]
Re: Carnage, I say!
is there a russian version of the CMP they can send them too?
perhaps "Comrade Marksmanship Program"?
look on the bright side, they're not pulling a "Fast and Furious" with china!
At the very least the bankrupt soviet union or whatever they are calling themselves today could put 'em on Ebay or something as historical / relic firearms to generate income.
is there a russian version of the CMP they can send them too?
perhaps "Comrade Marksmanship Program"?
look on the bright side, they're not pulling a "Fast and Furious" with china!
At the very least the bankrupt soviet union or whatever they are calling themselves today could put 'em on Ebay or something as historical / relic firearms to generate income.
Re: Carnage, I say!
OK, but get this straight. I obey the laws; like 'em or not.
It's about responsible gun ownership. If my guns do something bad, intended or not, it's on my head, and that's where it belongs. They have potential for a lot of things, harm included; and it's up to me to make sure that doesn't happen.
Evading or outright breaking the laws would put me right out there alongside the whackos who irk me greatly for the harm they do to my Second Amendment, and to all us folks who rightfully stand behind it. It's about the point that the Antis and the Lawbreakers are actually working the same side of events and issues, all striving together to take private and lawful firearms onwership off my menu.
Seen in a brighter light, they are both making a career out of thumbing their noses at the Constitition; but somehow they always tend to skate free of any reponsibility for that kind of damage. It'a sign of our times.
Ever since the 'Tailgunner Joe' debacle and its over the top backlash, words like 'Unamerican' have been out of vogue. Beware the Leftists' scorn, it often grows to a 'Die, Witch, Die' proportion.
You don't like the law, change it. You don't like the deck being stacked against you, turning away and giving fodder to the antis is not a solution.
Nobody said it would be easy. The good things never are.
Greg
OK, but get this straight. I obey the laws; like 'em or not.
It's about responsible gun ownership. If my guns do something bad, intended or not, it's on my head, and that's where it belongs. They have potential for a lot of things, harm included; and it's up to me to make sure that doesn't happen.
Evading or outright breaking the laws would put me right out there alongside the whackos who irk me greatly for the harm they do to my Second Amendment, and to all us folks who rightfully stand behind it. It's about the point that the Antis and the Lawbreakers are actually working the same side of events and issues, all striving together to take private and lawful firearms onwership off my menu.
Seen in a brighter light, they are both making a career out of thumbing their noses at the Constitition; but somehow they always tend to skate free of any reponsibility for that kind of damage. It'a sign of our times.
Ever since the 'Tailgunner Joe' debacle and its over the top backlash, words like 'Unamerican' have been out of vogue. Beware the Leftists' scorn, it often grows to a 'Die, Witch, Die' proportion.
You don't like the law, change it. You don't like the deck being stacked against you, turning away and giving fodder to the antis is not a solution.
Nobody said it would be easy. The good things never are.
Greg
Re: Carnage, I say!
They could always pay the poeple to repair the guns then sell them at a cheap price to the citizens of USSR for home defence.
They could always pay the poeple to repair the guns then sell them at a cheap price to the citizens of USSR for home defence.
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