F T/R Competition F-T/R score question

[QuietShootr]

I do not have the experience to know whether or not this is a decent, on the way to good, or meh score,and I can't seem to find data to answer the question. I shot my first match in 7 years a couple of weekends ago, a 2x20 1000, and wound up with a 344-4X.

What I'm interested in is NOT comparing that score to the tube gunners, but to other guys shooting typical 24" .308s with magazine-length rounds. How does that stack up?

thanks.

 

[coulthard_west]

Re: F-T/R score question

were u running 2 or 3 stings of shooting? also, what were your scores per string

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-T/R score question

Kind of hard to 'assess' your score over the Internet unless a person has actually shot that range...

It depends a *lot* on the range facility involved. Percentage-wise, its ~86%, which isn't earth-shattering... but depending on the range, and on the day... might be just fine.

 

[gstaylorg]

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I was wondering the same thing when I first started in F-Class, "How do my scores stack up against other competitors in F-T/R around the country?". As memilanuk stated, it's very difficult to assess your results by comparison to other scores shot at different ranges under different conditions. You can look at other match scores here at SH and elsewhere, but you have no way of knowing what the conditions, particularly wind, were when those scores were shot.

I moved from Omaha, NE to San Diego last August, and have been competing in matches at Cam Pendleton. The wind conditions at the Camp Pendleton ranges are much more challenging than at matches I shot in NE. Not as far as the the highest wind velocity, but due to constant changes in direction and speed. My scores dropped by an average of about 20 points for several matches until I learned to read wind conditions here in SD a little better. So, comparing my scores from NE to here wouldn't have been very meaningful.

I will say that your score at 1000 yd is much better than my first time at that range. I was doing pretty well until I had four misses in a row in the third match (ouch). The wind was strong and variable, so no mirage could be seen, and the flags were all over the place. For the same reason, the scorer couldn't see my bullet traces to even give me some idea of which side I was off. After two misses, I ended up holding off right at the edge of the scoring black on each side; the second of those got me back on and I did reasonably well finishing out, but 40 points were gone. Fortunately, that hasn't happened to me since, and I have been scoring in the 92-95% range using a 24" .308 and commercial ammo as you mentioned you had done.

You also have no way of knowing (unless you happen to recognize someone's name) the level(s) of shooters that participated in that match. The best you can probably do is to compare your score to others that shot similar setups as you at your competition. You can also look at how the top finishers in your class did that day and determine how many less points they dropped than you did under the same conditions, and therefore where you need to get to be competitive. By doing this over several matches, you can start to get a feel for how your scores compare, which will help you set realistic goals for competitive shooting with your setup. You can also begin to get a feel for how your average score stacks up with other scores from different matches you can find posted here and elsewhere, but again, without knowing the conditions, it's really apples to oranges.

 

[coulthard_west]

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heres what some of us would need. for example, the last 600 yard mid rand i shot was a 580 14x. that consisted of 3 firing string for 3x200. same with the last 1000 yard i shot but i believe i shot a 560 on that one. dont remember the x's

 

[nesikabay]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: QuietShootr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not have the experience to know whether or not this is a decent, on the way to good, or meh score,and I can't seem to find data to answer the question. I shot my first match in 7 years a couple of weekends ago, a 2x20 1000, and wound up with a 344-4X.

What I'm interested in is NOT comparing that score to the tube gunners, but to other guys shooting typical 24" .308s with magazine-length rounds. How does that stack up?

thanks. </div></div>

The big question shoud not be what we think of your score. But did you have a good time and did you see any room for improvement. Alot of people put to much into winning. I know i like to win but its about having fun and getting better. You drop 36 points but we dont know what conditions you were shooting in. Also what did the other shooters shoot score wise. Also did the others have F/Class scopes did you have a 20 power scope. Keep shooting and have fun when its not fun find a new game to play

 

[XTR]

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I really shoot against myself. Unless I'm shooting 200s (and I'm not) then there is room to improve.

As others have said, wind conditions mean all the difference in the world. If that was 2 x 20 it looks like you shot about a 172 in each match. In tuff winds it may be a good score.

I'm sure at your first match you were just chasing the spotter, that's ok, it's not what you want to do but in the beginning it's what most all of us do to some level.

In his book about high performance motorcycle racing "Total Control" Lee Parks illustrates a point with the example that you have $1 worth of attention to spend on what you are doing. The illustration works here to.

Right now you're probably spending 75¢ on rear bag, bipod, shooting position, sight picture, trigger pull, scoring, plotting, etc... That leaves you with about 25¢ for wind reading. When you consider the percentage of points that you will lose due to wind as opposed to all those other things then you'll see that is upside down. After enough trigger time in match conditions you'll find that you will move that ratio and you score will improve.

 

[QuietShootr]

Re: F-T/R score question

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nesikabay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: QuietShootr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do not have the experience to know whether or not this is a decent, on the way to good, or meh score,and I can't seem to find data to answer the question. I shot my first match in 7 years a couple of weekends ago, a 2x20 1000, and wound up with a 344-4X.

What I'm interested in is NOT comparing that score to the tube gunners, but to other guys shooting typical 24" .308s with magazine-length rounds. How does that stack up?

thanks. </div></div>

The big question shoud not be what we think of your score. But did you have a good time and did you see any room for improvement. Alot of people put to much into winning. I know i like to win but its about having fun and getting better. You drop 36 points but we dont know what conditions you were shooting in. Also what did the other shooters shoot score wise. Also did the others have F/Class scopes did you have a 20 power scope. Keep shooting and have fun when its not fun find a new game to play </div></div>

I was using a 3.5-15x NF, and I finished 5th. 29 points below the guy who was first. The actual scores were 175-1x and 169-3x. Three of the four who beat me have been state champions, and I don't know about the fourth guy but I think he might have been too, from a neighboring state. Also, the top two were shooting tube guns with 30" barrels, 20x scopes, and 208gr bullets seated out about six inches, so IMO it's kind of an apples-to-eggs comparison.

This was not my first time shooting this kind of range - it was just my first time shooting F-class in 8 years.

The conditions were 92 degrees, sunny, but we were right at the junction of a cold and a warm front meeting each other, so the wind was gusting up to 20 at times. It also changed direction from 10 to 3 a couple of times in the middle of a string. The 3 Xs I punched out in a brief lull - I landed the first one, and the pit dude was FAST, so I hammered out two more before anything changed. Fortunately he didn't fumble the marking - another 30 seconds and that third x would have been a 9, most likely.

 

[coulthard_west]

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I'll have to agree with him on this, but my favorite score to hate is when you shoot an x and then your following shot goes throught the same hole and blows out the spotter. The last time I did that it left about a 4" hole they said and it took about 5 minutes to fix.

 

[XTR]

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Hitting the spindle is a love/hate thing, you know when you see the spotter disappear it's going to be a while before the target comes back up.

What really sucks is when you shoot a 9, look at the conditions and think, "WTF did that come from, I must have pulled it", then shoot with no dope change and hit the spotter. Yea, never done that.

 

[memilanuk]

Re: F-T/R score question

Better still is shoot a 7 @ 3 o'clock, shooting pair fire. Wait for the other shooter to fire and be scored... hmmm... wind looks pretty much the same, so crank on two more minutes... comes up another 7, awful close to the first one. WTH? Partner shoots again... wind *still* looks the same, so crank on another two minutes... and get another 7, in the same <bleep>ing spot.

Shooting partner is trying (and failing) to not snicker

I'm seriously wanting to challenge the score, but didn't. Later we rotate down to the pits, and of course the fresh LR-FC center doesn't cover the 7-ring... and there are three pasters clustered together in what amounts to a 2-1/2" group @ 900yds... with 4 minutes of wind cranked on between the first and third shot. Well, at least the load held good vertical, even if I sure couldn't see the conditions worth a dang.