Just an FYI. You CAN NOT omit flyers, they are part of the group. Thats like being a pussy golfer and taking a "mulligan".
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Re: Flyers.
I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups.
I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups.
Re: Flyers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtnCreek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, 3 shot groups don't mean anything. Shoot 10 shot groups, then pick the closest 5 shots and call that your 5 shot group.
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so that is the math the internet BS'ers use to claim the 1/4 moa all day rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups. </div></div>
exactly - like the dot drill - try to hit 15 dots that are 1/2 moa one time each
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtnCreek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, 3 shot groups don't mean anything. Shoot 10 shot groups, then pick the closest 5 shots and call that your 5 shot group.
so that is the math the internet BS'ers use to claim the 1/4 moa all day rifles
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups. </div></div>
exactly - like the dot drill - try to hit 15 dots that are 1/2 moa one time each
Re: Flyers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtnCreek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, 3 shot groups don't mean anything. Shoot 10 shot groups, then pick the closest 5 shots and call that your 5 shot group.
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WTF - so that is the math the internet BS'ers use to claim the 1/4 moa all day rifles - maybe you should read the 6 group 30 shot thread - then read it a few more times until you realize what actual consistency looks like
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups. </div></div>
exactly - like the dot drill - try to hit 15 dots that are 1/2 moa one time each </div></div>
Ahh....I think MntCreek was being sarcastic....thus the little smiley thingy at the end.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MtnCreek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, 3 shot groups don't mean anything. Shoot 10 shot groups, then pick the closest 5 shots and call that your 5 shot group.
WTF - so that is the math the internet BS'ers use to claim the 1/4 moa all day rifles - maybe you should read the 6 group 30 shot thread - then read it a few more times until you realize what actual consistency looks like
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups. </div></div>
exactly - like the dot drill - try to hit 15 dots that are 1/2 moa one time each </div></div>
Ahh....I think MntCreek was being sarcastic....thus the little smiley thingy at the end.
okie
Re: Flyers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups.</div></div>
+1 on that. Why burn up your reloads when all you got to do is chrony em, jbm em, or in my case iPhone em, then go to work. I shot 3 threw a crony bf and was on at 1k my second shot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timelinex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it when I see people at the range bragging about groups and it always has ATLEAST one flyer that they blame on themselves... But they never have one solid group.
I disagree with the general concensus on 3 shot groups not meaning anything though... Show me 5 in a row, good 3 shot groups and I believe that just as much as 3 in a row 5 shot groups.</div></div>
+1 on that. Why burn up your reloads when all you got to do is chrony em, jbm em, or in my case iPhone em, then go to work. I shot 3 threw a crony bf and was on at 1k my second shot.
Re: Flyers.
This is the internet. You need to maintain a proper level of skepticism no matter how many shots are in a group that is posted, like this:
There is really no way to ever know how many groups were actually fired to get one really small one. Usually having more groups are a better indicator, particularly if they're all on the same target. Also, as mentioned above, the dot drill is usually a very good indicator as it's pretty hard to fudge one.
This is the internet. You need to maintain a proper level of skepticism no matter how many shots are in a group that is posted, like this:
There is really no way to ever know how many groups were actually fired to get one really small one. Usually having more groups are a better indicator, particularly if they're all on the same target. Also, as mentioned above, the dot drill is usually a very good indicator as it's pretty hard to fudge one.
Re: Flyers.
i love the dot drills. it keeps my attention longer also. whenever i start worrying about groups i have a tendency to over think shit. When i shoot dots i put all my effort into that one shot and I hit it. Also, you don't have flyers when you shoot dots. you have misses
i love the dot drills. it keeps my attention longer also. whenever i start worrying about groups i have a tendency to over think shit. When i shoot dots i put all my effort into that one shot and I hit it. Also, you don't have flyers when you shoot dots. you have misses
Re: Flyers.
Hey, when I screw the pooch, I'm not gonna throw the blame at my rifle.
The scores are what count, four ten-round FV250 targets. Anything else is practice.
Hey, when I screw the pooch, I'm not gonna throw the blame at my rifle.
The scores are what count, four ten-round FV250 targets. Anything else is practice.
Re: Flyers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mlw332</div><div class="ubbcode-body">flyers are freaks of nature..... they also happen because of aliens.....</div></div>
Absolutely 100% internet bull shit.........
They always happen because of unaccounted for spin drift and coriolis effect. Drink some Spin-D for gods sake.
Ty
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mlw332</div><div class="ubbcode-body">flyers are freaks of nature..... they also happen because of aliens.....</div></div>
Absolutely 100% internet bull shit.........
They always happen because of unaccounted for spin drift and coriolis effect. Drink some Spin-D for gods sake.
Ty
Re: Flyers.
I find it useful to just go ahead and shoot a few flyers to begin with...then get on with concentrating on groups.
I find it useful to just go ahead and shoot a few flyers to begin with...then get on with concentrating on groups.
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