Rifle Scopes S&B 12-50 PM II

[RTH1800]

I was wondering why I do not see more about this scope on the site?
Anyone have any expirence with it?
Looks like a great optic if you can live without the low end. I see it is available in both 1st and 2ed focal plane.
Input??

 

[Timo Turl]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I think it is as much about whether you can really employ the high end as give up at the low end.

 

[bward]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I had one and liked it, but the mil turrets only coming in .025 mil adjustments are probably what kill it. Also, unless you are just looking to do ELR with it, the mag range of the 5-25 is much more usable.

 

[RTH1800]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I was thinking of using it for accuracy and load testing.

 

[Rob01]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

It's a great scope but specific in it's uses due to it's click value and power range. If it fits your needs then you won't be disappointed.

 

[Gray]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I run one, great for ELR shooting but mirage 3/4 of the year make it almost unusable. Eye relief is horrible too, you have to be like 1 inch from the scope, so anything past 260 you better have a heavy/braked rifle.

 

[RTH1800]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

thank you guys for the input. Really appericiate it.
RTH

 

[The-Fly]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I run one, great for ELR shooting but mirage 3/4 of the year make it almost unusable. Eye relief is horrible too, you have to be like 1 inch from the scope, so anything past 260 you better have a heavy/braked rifle. </div></div>

Is the eye relief on the 5-25 better compared to the 12-50 ?

 

[Defusion]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

If i remember correctly the 12-50 has 6cm eye relief, while the 5-25 has 9cm

 

[dieselten]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I have a 12-50 and use it for 500 meter bench rest all the time. Targets under 1 moa at max magnification all year long. I have used it for monthly matches in Texas in 108 degree heat and never had a problem with mirage. The mirage is still there, but there is no problem with it. The eye relief is a little shorter than a 5-25, but I do not have a problem up to .308 class.

I use the .125 turrets with P4f reticle, if they offered their special P4f MOA reticle in the 12-50 this would be the perfect target scope

Edited to add- there is no tunneling on the 12-50 like there is on the 5-25. I rarely went below 10-12x on my 5-25 so this scope is ideal for what I do.

 

[texasleftychef]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dieselten</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 12-50 and use it for 500 meter bench rest all the time. Targets under 1 moa at max magnification all year long. I have used it for monthly matches in Texas in 108 degree heat and never had a problem with mirage. The mirage is still there, but there is no problem with it. The eye relief is a little shorter than a 5-25, but I do not have a problem up to .308 class.

I use the .125 turrets with P4f reticle, if they offered their special P4f MOA reticle in the 12-50 this would be the perfect target scope </div></div>

I agree with this. I have one on my bench gun. Only thing I would change would be to make the reticle thinner.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I was wanting to get one but the whole eye relief thing is why I didn't.

I was wanting it for big long range stuff like .338 / .408 / .50 but on those you kind of want some good eye relief so that kind of ruins it.

From what I heard it started out design as an air rifle scope and then also was setup for a benchrest scope.

 

[Dogtown]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

Yup, that level of magnification, limited elevation, fine turrets = benchrest scope

 

[dieselten]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yup, that level of magnification, limited elevation, fine turrets = benchrest scope </div></div>

Limited elevation? Mine has about 105 moa of travel, in what world is that "limited"?

 

[leadbullet]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

good to know the eye relief is so short, I was looking at it for a 338 edge but now, looks like I'll be going back to the SB 5-25

 

[TorF]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

Check field of view on this scope. @12x fov is app the same as Nightforce and Sightron has @8x on their 8-32x56 scopes.

 

[3-0-hate]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I can imagine that would be like shooting with a spotting scope attached to your rifle..

I would be interested to try it out, but doubt it would be anything but overkill on anything less than a .338Lapua and at home on something like a .416barret

 

[Xtremegunnr]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

Never used that scope, but i have had 36 power etc scopes and like a pervious poster stated.....unusable on most cases because of mirage

 

[Dogtown]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dieselten</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Limited elevation? Mine has about 105 moa of travel, in what world is that "limited"?</div></div>

The specs here say 12MOA elevation vs the 65MOA we're used to in the 5-25.
http://www.schmidtundbender.de/en/products/police-and-military-forces/12-50x56-pm-iip.html

 

[dieselten]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

I dont understand what they printed on their web site. It would be hard to belive the scope only has 12 moa travel. I think they mean 12 moa per revolution. The multi turn turrets have 5 turns. So the travel on the turret is about 60 moa but there is 40 more moa available above and below the turret limits. I have the multi turn .125 turrets and when I unscrew the turret cap and pull it up just enough to clear the zero stop then re tighten, I can adjust a full 105 moa.

The same is true on the 5-25, there is a ton of elevation above and below the turret lock outs (zero stop).

 

[260rem]

Re: S&B 12-50 PM II

With a 100 yard zero I still have 74 moa of up.