Lets here your pros and cons with a pof 223 .
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Re: Lets here your pros and cons with a pof 223 .
caliber aside just do a search. those riles are shooters but it seems when you get a bad egg you get a bad f****** egg.
caliber aside just do a search. those riles are shooters but it seems when you get a bad egg you get a bad f****** egg.
Re: Lets here your pros and cons with a pof 223 .
I like their barrels, I like the (wholly unnecessary) piston system, and I like the rail. They're super accurate, good velocities for barrel length and handle pretty well considering it's a piston. However I have heard that the company can be a pain to deal with.
Personally I would rather build my own. I've done it so many times that it's no longer a question of whether or not I'll build my next one for myself but what sort of rifle I am going to build.
I like their barrels, I like the (wholly unnecessary) piston system, and I like the rail. They're super accurate, good velocities for barrel length and handle pretty well considering it's a piston. However I have heard that the company can be a pain to deal with.
Personally I would rather build my own. I've done it so many times that it's no longer a question of whether or not I'll build my next one for myself but what sort of rifle I am going to build.
Re: Lets here your pros and cons with a pof 223 .
From my 9" POF
<span style="font-style: italic">Lower from 2007
Upper from 2010
Neither was used much til last year, I was out of country</span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">The Good:</span></span>
Very Accurate, functions reliably*
I'll agree that the gas piston is completely unnecessary. I won't spend the $$ on another one.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">The Bad:</span></span>
After about 3,000 rounds over the lower and about 2,000 through the upper, everything started breaking(See below)
<span style="font-weight: bold">1.</span> Trigger dis-connector came out of adjustment 4 or 5 times. Very annoying, as sometimes it would prevent bolt carrier group from going all the way to the rear, and other times it would do 2-4 round bursts. Dependent on which way it came out of adjustment. Yes, I re-adjusted several times myself and locktited, it would still do it. Timney replaced it in a timely manner, free of charge, and the new trigger appears to have design changes to prevent that from being an issue again. Timney is still good in my book.
<span style="font-weight: bold">1a.</span> Trigger tension screws came out of adjustment a couple times as well, ended up getting anti-walk pins to prevent it from being a real problem ever again.
<span style="font-weight: bold">2.</span> Dust cover catastrophically disassembled. They did replace, after 3 months, and not before accusing me of operator error. They also said it was common. I was curious, since I have NEVER SEEN OR EVEN HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING BEFORE.
<span style="font-weight: bold">3.</span> Roll pin in buffer came out, enough to catch the buffer spring. This obviously kept the weapon from completing a cycle of function, either by keeping the bolt carrier group from from travelling all the way to the rear, or by not providing enough tension to lock the bolt into the lug. It succeeded in destroying the buffer spring. I replaced both with spikes buffer and spring kit, as that was available locally. Why not get a replacement from POF? See below.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">The ugly:</span></span>
All 4 of those things happened over a 6 month period. After timney apologizing and replacing the trigger in a timely manner, and POF sending me a replacement dust cover (3 months after it broke) They essentially told me to get fucked over the buffer and spring. Most disappointing.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Commentary:</span></span>
I do not consider 3,000 rounds to be very high for an AR, and when I paid upwards of $1800, I would not expect piss poor customer service.
Overall, I'll rate it a -C. The only thing saving it from F or D is that it is accurate, it does run clean with little or no lube, and it has never had a double feed or other typical malfunction. Instead, it hit 3000 rounds and shit just started breaking.
I am a shooter, not a collector. I have one carbine(this), one rifle (GAP, so I am extremely happy with it), and one pistol. I demand 100% performance and would much prefer never talking to customer service, but definetly do not like getting told to go fuck myself when I do. I also teach a couple classes a year, and, I assure you, the instructor feels (and probably looks) like a dumbass when his weapon won't function for shit in front of students.
At this point I feel like I am just waiting for the next thing to break on this weapon, and for POF to not stand by their product.
The lower is registered, so I am stuck with it for a while, but the upper will be getting replaced with a Noveske after the next serious failure.
<span style="font-style: italic">Mind you, all of this is just my experience. Hopefully not indicative of the average, but I will assume it is.</span>
From my 9" POF
<span style="font-style: italic">Lower from 2007
Upper from 2010
Neither was used much til last year, I was out of country</span>
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">The Good:</span></span>
Very Accurate, functions reliably*
I'll agree that the gas piston is completely unnecessary. I won't spend the $$ on another one.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">The Bad:</span></span>
After about 3,000 rounds over the lower and about 2,000 through the upper, everything started breaking(See below)
<span style="font-weight: bold">1.</span> Trigger dis-connector came out of adjustment 4 or 5 times. Very annoying, as sometimes it would prevent bolt carrier group from going all the way to the rear, and other times it would do 2-4 round bursts. Dependent on which way it came out of adjustment. Yes, I re-adjusted several times myself and locktited, it would still do it. Timney replaced it in a timely manner, free of charge, and the new trigger appears to have design changes to prevent that from being an issue again. Timney is still good in my book.
<span style="font-weight: bold">1a.</span> Trigger tension screws came out of adjustment a couple times as well, ended up getting anti-walk pins to prevent it from being a real problem ever again.
<span style="font-weight: bold">2.</span> Dust cover catastrophically disassembled. They did replace, after 3 months, and not before accusing me of operator error. They also said it was common. I was curious, since I have NEVER SEEN OR EVEN HEARD OF THAT HAPPENING BEFORE.
<span style="font-weight: bold">3.</span> Roll pin in buffer came out, enough to catch the buffer spring. This obviously kept the weapon from completing a cycle of function, either by keeping the bolt carrier group from from travelling all the way to the rear, or by not providing enough tension to lock the bolt into the lug. It succeeded in destroying the buffer spring. I replaced both with spikes buffer and spring kit, as that was available locally. Why not get a replacement from POF? See below.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">The ugly:</span></span>
All 4 of those things happened over a 6 month period. After timney apologizing and replacing the trigger in a timely manner, and POF sending me a replacement dust cover (3 months after it broke) They essentially told me to get fucked over the buffer and spring. Most disappointing.
<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">Commentary:</span></span>
I do not consider 3,000 rounds to be very high for an AR, and when I paid upwards of $1800, I would not expect piss poor customer service.
Overall, I'll rate it a -C. The only thing saving it from F or D is that it is accurate, it does run clean with little or no lube, and it has never had a double feed or other typical malfunction. Instead, it hit 3000 rounds and shit just started breaking.
I am a shooter, not a collector. I have one carbine(this), one rifle (GAP, so I am extremely happy with it), and one pistol. I demand 100% performance and would much prefer never talking to customer service, but definetly do not like getting told to go fuck myself when I do. I also teach a couple classes a year, and, I assure you, the instructor feels (and probably looks) like a dumbass when his weapon won't function for shit in front of students.
At this point I feel like I am just waiting for the next thing to break on this weapon, and for POF to not stand by their product.
The lower is registered, so I am stuck with it for a while, but the upper will be getting replaced with a Noveske after the next serious failure.
<span style="font-style: italic">Mind you, all of this is just my experience. Hopefully not indicative of the average, but I will assume it is.</span>
Re: Lets here your pros and cons with a pof 223 .
I had one and sold it. The good:
-it was real accurate
-recoil was nothing
-reliability was good to a point
-real clean running
The bad:
- too heavy
- too big in the handguard
- the ambi bolt release didn't work
- trigger pins started walking out, in the middle of a shoot mind you
- rail too high for optics
I prefer the gas guns now and haven't gone back not have any urge to go piston again
I had one and sold it. The good:
-it was real accurate
-recoil was nothing
-reliability was good to a point
-real clean running
The bad:
- too heavy
- too big in the handguard
- the ambi bolt release didn't work
- trigger pins started walking out, in the middle of a shoot mind you
- rail too high for optics
I prefer the gas guns now and haven't gone back not have any urge to go piston again
