Getting into Tactical Marksmanship.

RanchhandTCR

RanchhandTCR

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#1
Hello guys!

I hope Im not beating on a dead horse but for months I have been researching for my rifle build, and I just wanted to get some of the more experinced persons help and advice. I'm a amature long range shooter. But if I can run by you guys what I have planned so far as for the rifle.

Remington 700 Action Rebarreling my 22-250

Schilein barrel 6.5MM- want to chamber for 260 Remington and cut and crown at 24 Inches.

What kind of crown do you guys suggest?
And how important is it to true the entire action as just only truing the action threads?

I just order a Choate Tactical Rifle Stock, I like the idea of the ability to mount a sling to one side or the other.

Vortex PST

Rings and bases.
I know alot of guys are getting a 20MOA cant and I assume that is a neccesity to shoot out to 1000 yards.

Also if you guys that have shot at these Tactical matches give me an Idea of what Im in for Thank you!
 
#2
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Sounds like you're on the right track. You'll be in for a lot of fun in the tactical matches. Fun and knowledgable guys in my area. All go out for pizza afterward.
 
#4
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Welcome to the Hide, seems you have a pretty good line on equipment. Good starting stuff that will still carry on as you improve your skills.

Shilen barrels are what we run on our Savage 260 rifles and couldn't be happier with them. Get the 8 twist. If you have some mechanical skills the new Rem-Age barrel setups are looking pretty good, I'm waiting on one now for my LR XP-100 and you can do it all yourself without the need for a gunsmith or the long wait to have it done.

Action truing? We shoot Savages and don't worry about that stuff. We also shoot against some really high end custom actions and guns that have been trued and blueprinted and so far we haven't seen the need. Does it help? Some say it does but I feel the big part of shooting accurately with decent equipment is the driver, learn good skills and have good decent equipment and you can run with the big dogs. If you get to where you can out shoot your guns then you'll know you need to start upgrading.

Crown, 11 degree is what a lot use, some have a step and there may be others with fancy angles or shapes but it's really just a way of protecting the end of your rifling and giving it an even exit from the barrel. Not sure any one is better than the other but ours are 11 deg and gets a nice even flare around the muzzle. If you put a brake on be sure to take it off occasionally to clean the carbon from the crown to keep accuracy.

The PST line is great, I also have two and other than the occasional flake of black stuff that appears then disappears in the lens they are a great value for the money. Very reliable and track perfect. 4-16 will work fine to 1000 yards and has a bit more elevation travel but at 16x the crosshairs are a bit thick and will cover up a small target at 1000 yards. FFP is not a necessity and is more expensive but if you ever think you'll be needing to range a target using the scope only then you have to have it, but if not the SFP is great. MOA or MIL is personal preference, MOA is close to 1 minute equals 1 MOA so it's easy to guess corrections but others like MIL. We have both and if you see your hit/miss you make the correction based on that. Both are just a way to measure so pick your poison.

Mount, get a 20moa right off and be done with it. EGW is good, there are better but a lot more money. We have EGW on a couple and Farrell steel on some others. Your funds can dictate which way you want to go.

Get a decent bi-pod right off, I like the Harris 6-9 notched swivel version which works for most occasions but sometimes shooting uphill slightly the 9-13 works a bit better. No need to really get carried away with all the goobers and gadgets right off, save enough to spend plenty on ammo for quality practice. Try to find others in the area you can watch and listen to as to what works and what don't.

Have fun, there is a learning curve to this so don't get frustrated. We all had to start somewhere.

Topstrap
 
#5
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Thanks TopStrap!!
I have yet to find someone else around here that shoots long range.. Im glad to hear that schilen a good barrel. The local gunsmith here said he get me up and goin in about two weeks when I was ready. I live in a small town.

Now where could I find Rem-Age barrels? Im a diesel mechanic so I have tools and ect I do the machining my self but the patience is not there for me..

I have two bipods one is a Harris that I have had since I was 15, and the other is a cheap walmart one that sits on the shelf.

As for reticles I was going to go with MOA since I can wrap my head around that fairly well compared to mil espicially since I dont have any scopes based on millidrians. How well does you savage shoot? Ive read that you need to true your actions but there are alot of guys with factory remmys and savages that can hold their own pretty well. Thanks again.
 
#6
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Do a quick search on Rem-age, they work the same as the Savage setup. You need a few tools like a barrel vise, action wrench and barrel nut wrench and a set of go and no-go gauges for your specific caliber. You can swap barrels in a few minutes and change calibers easily. With the Savages a quick change of the floating bolt head and you can switch from 223 size to a 308 in a few minutes which really covers about anything you might want to try.

How does a Savage shoot? Some can't get past the ugly look although I have come to really like them but they will really shoot. They aren't quite as smooth to open as a Remington but I can live with that too, I'm just not picky about that kind of stuff as long as it gives me the accuracy and dependability I'm wanting. We use ours for our local 1000 yard steel plate matches and most of the top 10 scorers last season were using them in either 6.5mm of some flavor or a 6mm.

You're lucky to have a local smith that can get that done for you so quickly. Never hurts to give the locals business, it pays off in the long run when you need help in a pinch.

Good luck

Topstrap
 
#7
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Dennis, who makes barrels for the Remage? Custom order or does anyone stock em? Also, how much inletting do stocks need to clear the nut?

Lastly, are you gonna have time for a warm up session before the match this month?
 
#8
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I'm waiting on a McGowen for the pistol but I think PacNor, McRee and Jim at NSS offers them but not sure what barrel Jim is using now. He started with McGowen but now uses another manufacture. For rifle length most might have them in stock, mine is 16 inch full bull threaded for brake so had to be custom made.

I think since the barrel is a bit smaller in diameter with the nut on it and not having a shoulder. I'm not sure any inletting has to be done. Will know more once mine gets here. Won't be in time for the match I don't think but will put up pictures and range results when it's all together.

We're wanting to get down at least one more time, weather is big factor. Maybe see how it's looking more towards weekend when it warms up a bit?

Sorry if this is stepping on the OP post but still a bit of information he can look into if he's interested in the barrel change systems.

Topstrap
 
#9
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Dont mind at all guys, Im just glad I got a response from people unlike the LRH forum I started at months ago. I dont have a barrel vise or wrench. I have a vise and a pipe wrench but I dont think I will do that... I have been impressed with savage, but Im one of those I cant get past the looks, but I may get one for my next 22-250 since Im giving up my current one for the new project. I just need to find some matches in colorado since there are none in the area I live in. all 8100 square miles...
 
#10
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I visit LRH and quite a few others sights to gather information, I post when I think I can help but also go there to learn. Not sure why some of the Forums are so snobbish, a lot of shooters forget they had to start somewhere. I've been very lucky, been able to shoot with and learn from some of the finest shooters around. The group I get to run with has always enjoyed helping others although sometimes our "backwoods" style of doing things might not be the way the "professionals" or "tacticool" guys do it but it gets the job done.

Shame you don't live closer, be fun to shoot with you. I don't care who I go out with I'm always watching to see what someone might be doing that can benefit me whether it be equipment or the way they hold one of their fingers while holding the stock. The ones that think they know everything aren't usually the ones that are winning the matches. Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll start to see the little things that separate the middle of the pack guys from the top of the win list shooters.

Might check out the Snipers Hide Membership Link Up section http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=22&page=1 and leave a post for someone to shoot with. Ya never know, since I've been on here and at the local matches we've found quite a few locals to shoot with.

Topstrap
 
#12
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Ya its a shame, I saw some of your videos on youtube with your XP-100 man thats some awesome shooting and nice pistol if thats what its called!!! I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the help guys you already done more in a day than months at LRH... But I know where my flaws are and strengths are, I really need to just get out and shoot. Thanks topstrap, Sib1948 and hawk ce..
 
#13
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Could you tell me where it is located? be much appreciated! I can shoot 1000 yards where I live since I live and work on the family ranch and have 1950 acres.
 
#16
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Hey if you guys are still watching this thread what do you guys think if loather walther barrels, so far what I have read I have heard good things and one or two bad things..
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RanchhandTCR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey if you guys are still watching this thread what do you guys think if loather walther barrels, so far what I have read I have heard good things and one or two bad things.. </div></div>

If I'm not mistaken, Walther barrels are used on a couple Euro factory rifles(Blaser maybe?). Even if they're not, I've shot a couple and they were as accurate as my Brux and Bartlein. There are a few reasons a barrel shoots below standard: the guy may not have done any load development, it might have been brand new and not fouled(I have a factory Savage that's a 2.5" shooter on a clean bore, 1" dirty), or the manufacturer just turned out a dud which happens from time to time.

When it comes to match grade barrels, any of the top mfrs are gonna be good to go. Find the one with the shortest lead time and place an order. That includes Brux, Bartlein, Kreiger, Hart, Lilja, Shilen, Pac Nor, Criterion, Broughton, Douglas; the list goes on and on.

Barrels I would(personally) avoid: Bergara and ER Shaw. Muzzle threads aren't concentric and they're just not worth the few bucks you'll save. If money is tight, grab a factory take off in the mean time.
 
#19
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Thank you!!! for your post, I also have one more question I got the stock and Im happy with it except that my front action screw will bind my bolt, where Could I get a slightly shorter one, I know there a 1/4-28 thread? but for now I just threw a piece of card underneath the action and its fine, looks kinda goofy with the remington barrel on it.. Man I am one excited puppy for this project. Along with my uncle who is an army sniper in town and hes gonna give me some education. and its free!
 
#20
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Often times the action screws that come with aftermarket stocks need to be trimmed to fit. They send em long intentionally to guard against loose factory tolerances. If you still have the original action screws I would try em. If you can torque em to spec then run em. If not, you'll have to do some trimming or grinding.
 
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