I own a 762 can and I love it, it is impressive every time I use it. As impressive as it is I wonder how much quieter a .22 can be. I am looking into a silencerco sparrow and am wondering for those of you who have one is it an impressive audible difference or simply an expensive novelty? Thanks for any input.
Suppressors .22 can worth it?
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For rifle, I do not need one. Not an accuracy improver and in open spaces, a rifle just is not loud to the shooter. Pistol, I like mine. Short Ruger MK III and copper washed lead. My Pilot does not come apart but is light. What you are looking at is a bit heavier. A consideration.
Novelty, for me yes. I regret my centerfire purchases and do not use them. The novelty on the pistol is priceless. Impact is where noise comes from and target design becomes the next challenge.
Novelty, for me yes. I regret my centerfire purchases and do not use them. The novelty on the pistol is priceless. Impact is where noise comes from and target design becomes the next challenge.
Everybody should own a 7.62 and 22lr can. I find that my 22 cans are the most used and I hate to shoot anything without them, rifle or pistol. I own several 22 cans, and each one has it advantages. You will be happy with a sparrow. Go for it--I promise you will not regret it.
Sparrow is a really good .22 can, as is a Spectre; but a take apart 9mm like an Octane will give similar results and allow for more caliber options.
I think they are worth every penny. I have the SS Sparrow and love it. If I didn't get the Sparrow the next in line for me would be the SWR Spector II. 22 cans are awesome on pistols with short barrels that keep bulk ammo subsonic, and on rifles it keeps me from having to his ear plugs.
Why don't you just throw your 7.62 can on your 22? It'll still provide plenty of sound suppression. Is your 7.62 a QD mount? If not, just find a thread adapter for ~$20 and give it a try.
Yes. Get a dedicated .22 can. You will not know how you got by without it and you'll never shoot your .22 without it again.
That's the only thing that sucks about the 22 suppressor right now. I just got mine in December and have not been able to enjoy it as much as I would like.
Here is a quick vid of a Sparrow in action.
Silencerco 22 Sparrow - YouTube
Absolutely get a .22 can. My quiet .22s are my most-shot guns, and are ideal for introducing new shooters to guns. Also, don't kid yourself- even out of a rifle, an unsuppressed rimfire is loud enough to cause hearing damage.
Facts on noise levels:
1. Decibels measure sound pressure and are logarithmic. That means that only a 3db increase almost doubles sound pressure, a 6db increase quadruples sound pressure, etc.
2. Gradual hearing loss may occur after prolonged exposure to 90 decibels or above.
3. Exposure to 100 decibels for more than 15 minutes can cause hearing loss.
4. Exposure to 110 decibels for more than a minute can cause permanent hearing loss.
5. At 140 dBA noise causes immediate injury to almost any unprotected ear.
6. There is also the more extreme ‘acoustic trauma’, which is an immediate loss of hearing after a sudden, exceptionally loud noise such as an explosion.
Comparative noise levels and length of time for damage to occur
Jet engine taking off 140 dB Instant damage
Thunder/Ambulance siren 119 dB 3 minutes
Hammer drill 113 dB 15 minutes
Chain saw/Earphones/Concert 110 dB 30 minutes
Bull Dozer 105 dB 1 hour
Tractor/Power tools 96 dB 4 hour
Hairdryer/lawnmower 90 dB 8 hours
Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.
Properly fitted earplugs or muffs reduce noise 15 to 30 dB. The better earplugs and muffs are approximately equal in sound reductions, although earplugs are better for low frequency noise and earmuffs for high frequency noise.
Using muffs and plugs together: Take the higher of the two and add 5 dB. 30 plug with 20 muff gives an effective NRR of 35.
If you are shooting by yourself, with plugs and muffs on, you get to shoot up to a thousand rounds without damage (louder ammo/gun and the allowable drops by a factor of 5). Shoot with other people and you have to add all the rounds shot cumulatively (10 people shoot 100 rounds and everybody's done for the day; toss a handcannon or 30 cal rifle in and you're back down to 200 rounds cumulative). If you shoot on an indoor range then all the rounds fired while you are on the range go into your total. So you can see that it doesn't take very long on a range to have a thousand rounds popped off around you.
Don't forget about bone conduction of concusive sound waves. The mastoid bone will transmit the sound vibrations directly to you inner ear where the cochela and the hearing nerves resides. Constant exposure to this kind of concusive sound waves, ie: 50 BMG, industrial heavey machinery, will result in the degradation of your hearing quality. Even with ear muffs, bone conduction is a big factor in hearing.
Facts on noise levels:
1. Decibels measure sound pressure and are logarithmic. That means that only a 3db increase almost doubles sound pressure, a 6db increase quadruples sound pressure, etc.
2. Gradual hearing loss may occur after prolonged exposure to 90 decibels or above.
3. Exposure to 100 decibels for more than 15 minutes can cause hearing loss.
4. Exposure to 110 decibels for more than a minute can cause permanent hearing loss.
5. At 140 dBA noise causes immediate injury to almost any unprotected ear.
6. There is also the more extreme ‘acoustic trauma’, which is an immediate loss of hearing after a sudden, exceptionally loud noise such as an explosion.
Comparative noise levels and length of time for damage to occur
Jet engine taking off 140 dB Instant damage
Thunder/Ambulance siren 119 dB 3 minutes
Hammer drill 113 dB 15 minutes
Chain saw/Earphones/Concert 110 dB 30 minutes
Bull Dozer 105 dB 1 hour
Tractor/Power tools 96 dB 4 hour
Hairdryer/lawnmower 90 dB 8 hours
Noise levels of firearms:
.22 caliber rifle 130dB
.223, 55GR. Commercial load 18" barrel 155.5dB
.243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
.30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB.
7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB.
.308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB.
.30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB. In 18" barrel 163.2dB.
.375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB.
.410 Bore 28" barrel 150dB. 26" barrel 150.25dB. 18" barrel 156.30dB.
20 Gauge 28" barrel 152.50dB. 22" barrel 154.75dB.
12 Gauge 28" barrel 151.50dB. 26" barrel 156.10dB. 18" barrel 161.50dB.
.25 ACP 155.0 dB.
.32 LONG 152.4 dB.
.32 ACP 153.5 dB.
.380 157.7 dB.
9mm 159.8 dB.
.38 S&W 153.5 dB.
.38 Spl 156.3 dB.
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB.
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB.
.44 Spl 155.9 dB.
.45 ACP 157.0 dB.
.45 COLT 154.7 dB.
Properly fitted earplugs or muffs reduce noise 15 to 30 dB. The better earplugs and muffs are approximately equal in sound reductions, although earplugs are better for low frequency noise and earmuffs for high frequency noise.
Using muffs and plugs together: Take the higher of the two and add 5 dB. 30 plug with 20 muff gives an effective NRR of 35.
If you are shooting by yourself, with plugs and muffs on, you get to shoot up to a thousand rounds without damage (louder ammo/gun and the allowable drops by a factor of 5). Shoot with other people and you have to add all the rounds shot cumulatively (10 people shoot 100 rounds and everybody's done for the day; toss a handcannon or 30 cal rifle in and you're back down to 200 rounds cumulative). If you shoot on an indoor range then all the rounds fired while you are on the range go into your total. So you can see that it doesn't take very long on a range to have a thousand rounds popped off around you.
Don't forget about bone conduction of concusive sound waves. The mastoid bone will transmit the sound vibrations directly to you inner ear where the cochela and the hearing nerves resides. Constant exposure to this kind of concusive sound waves, ie: 50 BMG, industrial heavey machinery, will result in the degradation of your hearing quality. Even with ear muffs, bone conduction is a big factor in hearing.
YES! Get a .22 can. Take a look at the Thompson Machine ISIS-2. It'll cover a .22 as well as 9mm and .300blkout (subsonic). It comes apart and is actually cheaper than the sparrow.
Most important thing about a 22 can is that it is user friendly. Not sure you would like shooting a 30 cal or a 9mm can on a 22 pistol for hours. I like one that does its job and you dont even know it is on there.
The thunder beast all Ti can is super sweet also. Bottom line is get a dedicated 22 LR can for maximum fun.
The thunder beast all Ti can is super sweet also. Bottom line is get a dedicated 22 LR can for maximum fun.
Get the sparrow, and you will never look back. 2 weeks after I received my SS sparrow I mailed the paperwork for another. Shooting with family, friends and children is so much fun while using a can. We can all talk, tell war stories and don't have to worry about hearing protection. I purchased a 22 and a 7.62 can to start with and this has covered all of my needs.
Absolutely. Get a .22 can. You will love it.
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get a 22 can, they are a riot! Dont get a YHM can with the monocore they suck ass. That is what I bought since I was cheap, I sent it in for a recore and now it isnt half bad. If I were to do it over I would spend the money up front.
A .22 can is ridiculously fun. A sparrow or specter II are most definitely the way to go. You won't regret it.
Rimfire ammo fills cans up with gunk. Unless his 7.62 can comes apart to clean, then shooting 22lr in it is a bad idea.
Ranb
Absolutely get it. You will have a blast with it. I love mine because it allows me to shoot on property I have access to and shoot all day long and not piss of the neighbors ( who would without a doubt call the cops). Actually just got my old Pilot back from being Jailbroken and can't wait to try it out.
I was going to throw my can on my 10-22 today. Is there no way to clean it out once you shoot maybe 1000 rounds through it? Frankly, I won't clean my can until it starts not attenuating sound. No reason to.
FWIW
IIRC, the above is true regarding power, as in RF. Power is doubled for every 3 dB, and 10 dB is 10x. Regarding SPL (sound pressure level) 6 dB doubles the SPL.
Now to the question, is a .22 suppressor worth it? Yes. I have a Sparrow, and it it's a great can. Disassembly is a snap for easy cleaning.
I have the sparrow. It is great and wouldn't do without a 22 can. Planning on making a 5.7 with really quick twist so I can mess around loading up some subsonic for the can.
I cast my vote for the Element 2. But whatever you get, get one, and get a good one. I rarely shoot without mine.
I sell quite a bit of the Huntertown Arms Guardian 22's suppressors. I own on myself and can say its just as good as the higher priced AAC, Gemtech, etc.
My local guy sells them but hasn't had a host to demo it for me, generally I figure you get what you pay for and I was thinking of a sparrow, I have had great experience with Silencerco, do you have any opinions of the aluminum version vs the one with stainless steel baffles?
It's true that you get what you pay for so if a suppressor is cheaper and words just as well why wouldn't one want to go with it? The Guardian actually rated quiter then the bigger names from tests produced on silencer talk. I prefer the SS baffles because they hold up better when using a ultra sonic cleaner.
Ah yes I think I wasn't clear, I was meaning that this might be an exception to the rule and was thankful for your feedback as I might just give it a try based upon the feedback
Ah yes I think I wasn't clear, I was meaning that this might be an exception to the rule and was thankful for your feedback as I might just give it a try based upon the feedback
Oops my bad
I do however agree with you. Most of the time you get what you pay for. However, HunterTown Arms are coming up fast and they are already playing with the big boys. You wouldn't be disappointed with a HTA can.
I've always said a .22 can is like a gateway can. Once you have one, you'll want a can on everything else.
The Sparrow or the AAC Element II are your best bets for .22 cans.
The Sparrow or the AAC Element II are your best bets for .22 cans.
I fired an S&H integrally suppressed Mk2 a while back in the 90's. Still is indelible in my mind. My wife wants one now, so we'll likely get it. Now that S&H made the most sound when the bullet hit the aluminum can, no shit. It was spooky quiet. They can be taken apart for cleaning (a BIG plus with rimfire .22's) and they look like normal bull barrel pistols, you can't tell it is suppressed. Lots of folks make an integral Mk2-3-4, but they have different features and some work better than others. Shy away from ones that can't be opened to be cleaned!
Others have said their thread on .22 can is nice because they can go from this to that, but if they'd ever seen or fired an integral 10/22 or integral .22 pistol, it is hard to judge. I, for one, will NOT be getting a .22 can. It WILL be integral, once I find the proper maker, and S&H is at the top of the list.
Others have said their thread on .22 can is nice because they can go from this to that, but if they'd ever seen or fired an integral 10/22 or integral .22 pistol, it is hard to judge. I, for one, will NOT be getting a .22 can. It WILL be integral, once I find the proper maker, and S&H is at the top of the list.
I agree with SHWILL. I use my 22 Cans the more then any other can. They are great for shooting in almost any situation.
I have several 22 cans in stock. Fell free to PM or call for models and pricing.
You know where/when I last shot my 22 rifle? Out the back of the garage at 1 am. Couldn't sleep, decided to put a few yards down my backyard range. Absolutely no one heard, no neighbors, no wife, no kids. Couldn't say that without the suppressor. Just some Wolf MT, standard velocity, Savage Mark II with Silencerco Sparrow.
It is PRICELESS to me for practice, and yes about the gateway suppressor. Got a 7.62 suppressor after that (but no shooting THAT at 1 am!) That is great too, though, sounds like a loud unsuppressed 22 so my neighbors don't freak about a high-powered rifle going off.
It is PRICELESS to me for practice, and yes about the gateway suppressor. Got a 7.62 suppressor after that (but no shooting THAT at 1 am!) That is great too, though, sounds like a loud unsuppressed 22 so my neighbors don't freak about a high-powered rifle going off.
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