OK Now What?

[Jon Lester]

10 rounds each with a Pierce Engineering 300 Win Mag and a GAP-10 6 Creedmore
One is much lighter and faster the other More precise but both are well under 1 MOA, even with the absolute operator failure at 5:00 on the creeedmore group. Not sure where the 9:00 shot came from on the 300.
Ballistically identical under 1000yards
Groups fired with TAB rear bag and Atlas Bipod.
The Delima: which is your match rifle?

 

[toddconley]

When William gets his gap 10 finished I'm going to 6 exclusively. I love my 280 but the 6 is just so easy to shoot. We will have two identical riles as far as barrel length and velocity is concerned. If I get to go o ASC again I will still bring the 280 because it is still Boss in the wind but for these matches we are shooting lately the good cheap mags and the capacity is pretty easy. I can't believe you are of all people are asking advice. Your kinda like OB1konoby to shooting rifle matches

 

[Jon Lester]

Todd, if that were true I would be running the Light saber and not be getting my butt kicked.

 

[Rob01]

Don't look "well" under 1 MOA at 100. Maybe right around 1 MOA if those are 2" orange targets. I wouldn't be happy with either and work on that load or find a different ammo. I want my match rifles shooting 1/2 MOA with no unexplained flyers.

 

[Jon Lester]

Rob, I do not doubt you ability to produce 1/2 MOA 10 round groups consistently with your Match rifles from a Bi Pod. I on the other hand cannot. I can however do 5 rounders Hoovering the Magic 1/2" with a fair consistency if I am Bagged in on the bench.

More precise but both are well under 1 MOA, Was referring more to the rifle( which was the questions Base) than this particular group, but after rereading, I can see that I would have took it that way as well. When I am home again I will check it though as I think it will still fall less than an inch even with a called flyer.

While I have not ran the 300 on Paper a lot, I have about 6 consecutive 5 round groups through it with A191 that hoovers on the 1/2" mark but they were from the bench and bags

I took Elfsers challenge on the gasser and ran 5 groups of 5 2 times and one group came out over an inch in both cases but Heat was killing me at the end of the strings, so is this a 1" rifle, It did turn out a group over 1"? I Don't know if to be a <1" rifle does that mean it NEVER shoots over 1", and I don't really ponder these things a lot. Ft Benning Comp 2 yrs ago was won by a friend of mine with the issued 110 that had not yielded a 1" group through the entire allotted preparation.While Having a 1/2" always rifle sure dont hurt your odds, It is not a guarantee.
I was just drumming up Conversation on the Traditional long heavy rifle VS the Short Fast gas gun. Nothing More. Really, Honestly the layout of the match will determine which one goes in the box. Gasser wont see ASC and Bolt 300 wont go to Woodies.

 

[sab9259]

This past Saturday at Woody's proved that the match determines the weapon. Gray and I were talking afterwords on Saturday, when we shoot Woody's, Ill bring a .223 m4 before I shoot the bolts again. Both of our .260s shoot well under 1moa and we got clobbered by the guys running gassers. Now if it were at K&M, wind and distances over 615 yards, bolts will gain ground. To each his own.

 

[rjacobs]

TO ME I would choose the 300. Seems a bit more consistent on POI.

Although if you could get that load worked on a little on the 6 to tighten things up a little, it would be neck and neck IMO.

 

[Rob01]

I thought you were talking about the targets but I agree both those are surely 1/2 MOA rifles. My GAP10 is and I have seen other accurate Pierces. I don't see why you wouldn't be able to shoot 1/2 MOA with the right load. You have the ability.

What I also do is check loads at 100 and 300 yards and if they shoot good at both they have always shot well to 1000+ for me. Honestly I would try another load and also that load at 300.

 

[pucker]

This past Saturday at Woody's proved that the match determines the weapon. Gray and I were talking afterwords on Saturday, when we shoot Woody's, Ill bring a .223 m4 before I shoot the bolts again. Both of our .260s shoot well under 1moa and we got clobbered by the guys running gassers. Now if it were at K&M, wind and distances over 615 yards, bolts will gain ground. To each his own.

Absolutely, especially with the time-based penalty scoring of Woody's DMM. Speed is King there.

Jon, I think you've brought up the real dilemma... Wanting 20 different rifles to cover all the combinations of action type, barrel length, and caliber. Actually, that's my dilemma...you probably already have them.

 

[Victor N TN]

10 rounds each with a Pierce Engineering 300 Win Mag and a GAP-10 6 Creedmore
One is much lighter and faster the other More precise but both are well under 1 MOA, even with the absolute operator failure at 5:00 on the creeedmore group. Not sure where the 9:00 shot came from on the 300.
Ballistically identical under 1000yards
Groups fired with TAB rear bag and Atlas Bipod.
The Delima: which is your match rifle?




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Jon,

Of course you have to make up your own mind. But look carefully at the 300 WM group. That's mostly a weather / wind report. That's the one for 1K. But ask others and try them at longer ranges. I think one will rise to the top of the bucket.

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