.308 gas gun load
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Sierra Matchking 175 Vhitavuori N150 42.5 Federal Match 210M Lapua, Five, Annealed 1.622 2450 AVG 0.68
Hornady Match BTHP 178 Varget 40.5 CCI 200 Lapua, Five, Annealed 1.622
Sierra Matchking 175 Varget 41 CCI 200 Lapua, Four 1.625 2450 AVG 0.58
Hornady Match BTHP 168 XBR 8208 40 CCI 200 Lapua, Three 1.625 2457 AVG 0.60
Whats worked for me so far..... Gap 10 308 18", Still working....
Hornady Match BTHP 178 Varget 40.5 CCI 200 Lapua, Five, Annealed 1.622
Sierra Matchking 175 Varget 41 CCI 200 Lapua, Four 1.625 2450 AVG 0.58
Hornady Match BTHP 168 XBR 8208 40 CCI 200 Lapua, Three 1.625 2457 AVG 0.60
Whats worked for me so far..... Gap 10 308 18", Still working....
Thanks for the input. Everything I have tried has been in the 43-44g of Varget range with a 175 and 178. I have heard that semi auto's prefer a lower charge weight. I'm going to give it a try today.
44.5 gr varget
168 Nosler HPBT
BR2,210m
Win, Hornady, BHA brass
5 shots .75 moa
Armalite AR-10A4!
168 Nosler HPBT
BR2,210m
Win, Hornady, BHA brass
5 shots .75 moa
Armalite AR-10A4!
I've been doing a little bit of load development with mine. So far its preference has been 42.5 gr Varget, CCI 200, Fed case, 175 SMK, COAL 2.800". I've still got too small of a sample and the barrel is too new to know if this will be the go to load.
Here is a previous semi-auto thread with lots of load info. not sure why this hasn't been stickied yet.
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-reloading-depot/112799-loads-semi-auto-308-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-reloading-depot/112799-loads-semi-auto-308-a.html
FC Brass 2.009
168smk
44.2gn Varget
OAL 2.809
2622fps ave
CCI 200
18" Rainier Arm Ultra Match 1/10
168smk
44.2gn Varget
OAL 2.809
2622fps ave
CCI 200
18" Rainier Arm Ultra Match 1/10
Now if I could land them EVERY time. LOL. In my opinion many run too much powder in their gas guns. I think you can get the same achieved with less powder.
Glad I found this post. Was having a problem with my bolt gun loads in my DPMS REPR. Gun shoots the Factory FGMM 168 and 175 SMK loads well, but my standard load was blowing primers. I use a Dillon step case gauge for headspacing (interestingly, factory brass sits a few thousandths LOW in this gauge), trim brass to 2.005" with a Giraud VLD trimmer, use FC cases, F210M primers, 168 grn SMKs at 2.810" with 46 grains of H-Varget. This load gets me out to about 900 yards reliably, accurately, about 12.5 MOA at 600 yards (IIRC) with my Rem PSS, but the gas guns (two) just don't like it. Now that I think about it, that load gets the 168s moving close to 2700 fps. Factory is a little less.
I'll revisit this now that I've read through this thread, check my numbers and get some range time.
Factory ammo's too freaking expensive.
I try to duplicate the LC M118LR load.
175SMK
43.1 gr Reloader 15
210M Primer
LC LR Brass
2.805 OAL
2630 fps from 20" barrel Blackhole Weaponry 1:11 Barrel .308 AR
175SMK
43.1 gr Reloader 15
210M Primer
LC LR Brass
2.805 OAL
2630 fps from 20" barrel Blackhole Weaponry 1:11 Barrel .308 AR
Good thread, thanks for linking me. I have had a hell of a time with search engines since the site switched to forum.snipershide.com
Sierra 168 Gr HPBT MK
Win Brass
Fed 210 Primer
H4895 42.2 grains
SUB MOA out of my POF-308 20", .438 MOA 3 shot group at 300 yards, this was with the gas on, operating semi.
R/
Chris
Win Brass
Fed 210 Primer
H4895 42.2 grains
SUB MOA out of my POF-308 20", .438 MOA 3 shot group at 300 yards, this was with the gas on, operating semi.
R/
Chris
I've been working hard to find the best load for my 20" Lilja Mega MKM. With the total vacum of Varget available I have only been able to work with XBR8208, TAC, Benchmark and now Power Pro 2000MR which I have not yet shot. So far this is what has worked best.
LC brass
CCI BR2
Benchmark 41.2g
2510 FPS
LC Brass
CCI BR2
XBR8208 43g
2630 FPS
LC Brass
CCI BR2
44.5g TAC
2690 FPS
All these loads have been pretty accurate at maximum sub MOA at 100. Have not got a chance to stretch them out yet but I'm sure they will do good at distance with the velocities. All of them have done as well as my old Varget load of 44.5. I have loaded a ladder with 2000MR starting at 44 going o 48 in .5 increments that I will test this weekend. I have high hopes for this powder based on what I have been reading. It supposedly nets 150 FPS over other powders with mid 2700's out of a 20" tube at 47g with no pressure signs. I have a bunch of Lapua brass that I will work up a final load once I decide which powder I will settle on. The great thing about the .308 and these powders is they all work great in .223 which is the only other rifle round I shoot. My Seekins DMR build is not picky about powerder so nothing will go to waste.
LC brass
CCI BR2
Benchmark 41.2g
2510 FPS
LC Brass
CCI BR2
XBR8208 43g
2630 FPS
LC Brass
CCI BR2
44.5g TAC
2690 FPS
All these loads have been pretty accurate at maximum sub MOA at 100. Have not got a chance to stretch them out yet but I'm sure they will do good at distance with the velocities. All of them have done as well as my old Varget load of 44.5. I have loaded a ladder with 2000MR starting at 44 going o 48 in .5 increments that I will test this weekend. I have high hopes for this powder based on what I have been reading. It supposedly nets 150 FPS over other powders with mid 2700's out of a 20" tube at 47g with no pressure signs. I have a bunch of Lapua brass that I will work up a final load once I decide which powder I will settle on. The great thing about the .308 and these powders is they all work great in .223 which is the only other rifle round I shoot. My Seekins DMR build is not picky about powerder so nothing will go to waste.
Danco-
What bullet are you using and at what distance from lands? Looks like something in the 168/175 range from the loads posted, but you'll have to advise further.
What bullet are you using and at what distance from lands? Looks like something in the 168/175 range from the loads posted, but you'll have to advise further.
Sorry 175 SMK loaded to mag lenth of 2.80. I do shoot a Savage 11 bolt gun in .308 but I usually use the same length so I don't get mixe up and try to shoot long length in my auto.
Varget likes to be compressed and performs best when so done.
168g Amax moly
a lot of Varget (my load book is at home)
2.815 OAL
Fed 210M
~.5
Armalite AR10T 24"
My next load to develop will be 208g Amax, I just got some in.
Since you are struggling a bit, it would help us help you if you told us more about your setup. loading procedure, gun, components, etc. Cartridge assembly is critical.
I've come back from a second range session of the day, and seem to have further vetted a charge my older GAP 10 with 11.25 twist Schneider 21" barrel seems to really respond to:
Both Winchester and Hornady Match brass, properly prepped.
Fed 210M primers
44.9 of two different lots of 8208
155gr Sierra 2155, Sierra 2156's and 155 Amax's
Avg velocity 2750-2775 depending on bullet, with low ES/SD
No 5 round group exceeding 1", most around .6-.7. 97 degrees.
Both Winchester and Hornady Match brass, properly prepped.
Fed 210M primers
44.9 of two different lots of 8208
155gr Sierra 2155, Sierra 2156's and 155 Amax's
Avg velocity 2750-2775 depending on bullet, with low ES/SD
No 5 round group exceeding 1", most around .6-.7. 97 degrees.
Yes, depending on the gun gas gun there are some extreme variations on a bolt load vs a load for a M1A for example, then you can play with an adjustable gas block to refine even more. On a bolt load development is pretty straight forward.
Ok, I guess I should have been more specific with the platforms. I'm trying to see how the load data for a 700 would do in a GAP10 or a JP LRP07. If the load I have for a 700 is around 43.5-44gr should I back off the grains a little for a gas gun? I hope that makes sense.
I start at 41.5 of varget and work up for 168's on the sass, elfster has a good thread on this for his LMT in the semi auto section.
I'm shooting an old fashioned M1A. Here's my favorite load.
Bullet: Nosler 155 gr. HPBT Custom Competition
Powder: Hodgdon H4895 43.0 grs. (02 May 13 Lot #5161)
Primer: Winchester Large Rifle
Case: Lake City 64
LOAL: 2.780 (2.196 Base to Ogive with Stoney Point)
Average Velocity: 2800.68 fps
Extreme Spread: 29.05
Standard Deviation: 11.61
Bullet: Nosler 155 gr. HPBT Custom Competition
Powder: Hodgdon H4895 43.0 grs. (02 May 13 Lot #5161)
Primer: Winchester Large Rifle
Case: Lake City 64
LOAL: 2.780 (2.196 Base to Ogive with Stoney Point)
Average Velocity: 2800.68 fps
Extreme Spread: 29.05
Standard Deviation: 11.61
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Well, the AR10 isn't as powder sensitive as the M14/M1A. I've seen guys shooting loads through AR10s (with no problems) that I wouldn't ever try in my M1A!
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168smk commercial case, win lr primer, 41.5 grains h4895 or IMR4895, COAL 2.8inches. Very accurate out of my M1A or a friends LR308.
Bullet :Sierra 155 Palma Match
Powder: Varget 42.5gr (if I go much over 43gr I start having issues)
Case: Misc military
Oal: 2.80
Primer CCI
I shoot this load in my Armalite Ar10 22'' barrel I get consistent sub moa groups at a 100 and have used it with decent results out to a thousand yds. I shot a 2 man sniper match this weekend at 300-600yds and was scoring consistent Xs-10s. I also use this load in my 7005R because I have so many rounds loaded up and haven't had a chance to do load development for the 5R yet but 44gr Varget and 175 SMKs shoot well from 300-600-1000.
Powder: Varget 42.5gr (if I go much over 43gr I start having issues)
Case: Misc military
Oal: 2.80
Primer CCI
I shoot this load in my Armalite Ar10 22'' barrel I get consistent sub moa groups at a 100 and have used it with decent results out to a thousand yds. I shot a 2 man sniper match this weekend at 300-600yds and was scoring consistent Xs-10s. I also use this load in my 7005R because I have so many rounds loaded up and haven't had a chance to do load development for the 5R yet but 44gr Varget and 175 SMKs shoot well from 300-600-1000.
I finally got my large frame AR to shoot after a ton of work and bumps in the road. Today I was able to shoot a few 1/2-3/4 MOA groups at 200 yards with 175 SMK, 42.0 grains of IMR 4064, Lapua Brass, and CCI #200 primers.
It’s got a 20 inch barrel with a brake and I’m getting 2505 FPS average velocity with a SD of 10.
Photo is 6 shots @ 200.
It’s got a 20 inch barrel with a brake and I’m getting 2505 FPS average velocity with a SD of 10.
Photo is 6 shots @ 200.
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Fed/Win/Rem brass, F/L resized
175SMk, 2.815" OAL
CCI BR-2/Fed210M
42.2gr IMR-4064
This has been my goto 308 LR load, semi and bolt for going on two decades.
In a hurry, distances to 800yd, IMI 168 Semi-auto Match.
Greg
175SMk, 2.815" OAL
CCI BR-2/Fed210M
42.2gr IMR-4064
This has been my goto 308 LR load, semi and bolt for going on two decades.
In a hurry, distances to 800yd, IMI 168 Semi-auto Match.
Greg
Lapua brass
110 vmax
47.5 gr h335
Win lr primers
155 gr eldm
45.5 gr varget
Win lr primers
Both loaded to mag length
110 vmax
47.5 gr h335
Win lr primers
155 gr eldm
45.5 gr varget
Win lr primers
Both loaded to mag length
178 amax
Lclr brass
fgmm primers
39.9 Tac or
39.6 Varget
Both loads are consistently under 1/2 moa @ 100 yards
Shot out of a
20" wilson combat SS barrel
and 3/4 moa out of a Ballistic Advantage 18" "premium" heavy profile barrel.
Side note - The Wilson Combat barrel is possibly the most accurate barrel I've ever owned. Absolutely ridiculous accuracy. Which is the only reason I reload.
Lclr brass
fgmm primers
39.9 Tac or
39.6 Varget
Both loads are consistently under 1/2 moa @ 100 yards
Shot out of a
20" wilson combat SS barrel
and 3/4 moa out of a Ballistic Advantage 18" "premium" heavy profile barrel.
Side note - The Wilson Combat barrel is possibly the most accurate barrel I've ever owned. Absolutely ridiculous accuracy. Which is the only reason I reload.
GAP10 w/ 20" barrel
6.5 CM
123 scenar
Hornady brass
H4350 43.6gr
2815 fps
Mega Build 6.5 CM
20" Carbon Proof barrel w/ +2" gas system
140 Amax
Hornady brass
2.820 OAL
H4350 42.5gr (43.0 was better accuracy but started to really chew up the brass)
210m
2670 FPS
6.5 CM
123 scenar
Hornady brass
H4350 43.6gr
2815 fps
Mega Build 6.5 CM
20" Carbon Proof barrel w/ +2" gas system
140 Amax
Hornady brass
2.820 OAL
H4350 42.5gr (43.0 was better accuracy but started to really chew up the brass)
210m
2670 FPS
KAC M110
175 SMK
LC-LR brass
43.2 Varget
210m
2.815 OAL
5/8 MOA at 100y and MOA out to 600y
KAC Mk11 Mod0 (most accurate gas gun I've ever seen)
175 SMK
LC-LR brass
210 m
2.810 OAL
43.8 Varget truly shots 3/8 MOA and 3/4 MOA out to 600y
(44.6 was better accuracy but I had moderate pressure signs with LC brass)
175 SMK
LC-LR brass
43.2 Varget
210m
2.815 OAL
5/8 MOA at 100y and MOA out to 600y
KAC Mk11 Mod0 (most accurate gas gun I've ever seen)
175 SMK
LC-LR brass
210 m
2.810 OAL
43.8 Varget truly shots 3/8 MOA and 3/4 MOA out to 600y
(44.6 was better accuracy but I had moderate pressure signs with LC brass)
Just a question, are you shooting any of these suppressed? Because whenever I shoot any loads much lighter than the ones you posted, I get some pressure signs early on. I use LC and IMI 7.62 match brass. I have a batch of LC-LR but never wanted to waste it on a gas gun. When I shoot those same loads suppressed, I cannot use the brass again. ( I get flat primers, expanded case heads, and primer pockets are blown out after one firing) I shoot an LMT MWS with 18" SS barrel. It's a precise gun, sub MOA with lighter loads, but I'm getting flat primers at 4 grains below what most are shooting. I've used Varget, XBR, and 4064. Now, I've never seen ejector swipes, but the loosening primer pockets especially suppressed is what's worrying me. (I've also use the 16" CL barrel and I have the dual-ejector bolt and same symptoms) Looks like my chamber is cut fairly loose. Should I up the load somewhat and maybe get better sealing? Also, this rifle is overgassed so that may be why it beats up my brass.
Thanks,
