Rifle Scopes Reticle too cluttered for hunting?

MJY65

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I have a VX-3 with a Duplex reticle that I am considering sending in for a reticle change. The Leupold option that is available for that model is similar to some of the Horus designs. I've never owned a scope with all the holdover/holdoff marks, so I'm a little concerned about how it affects the overall sight picture on game or in the woods.

Opinions?

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I'm not sure I will able to answer your question directly, but I may be able to provide some additional info for you to consider before making a decision. I also have never used a Horus or similar reticle, but I do have a Leupold Mark 4 8-25x with the TMR reticle, which is fairly busy. I just recently bought a VX3 8-25x with the Target Dot reticle. I mounted it to the same gun which housed the Mark 4 and I was pleasantly surprised at how much more enjoyable of a reticle it was to shoot as it provided a full, uninterrupted picture. I found that I really don't use hash marks for hold off, instead I just make adjustments on the scope; but most of my shooting is done at the range. What I do really like about the TMR/Horus type reticles however, is the ability to make accurate follow-up shot adjustments. In order to take FULL advantage of the reticle it is important to have the reticle and adjustment dials in the same format, i.e. mil/mil or moa/moa. This allows you to measure your miss with the reticle and then input that same measurement to your dials, this takes out a lot of guess work! For example if your scope reticle says you hit 0.5 mils to the right, you can just add adjust that dial 0.5 mils to the left to get on target. I used to have a Mark 4 with moa dials and mil-dot reticle; this created a lot of confusion and resulted in a quick sale. There is a great video put out by Magpul entitled "Art of the Precision Rifle" in which they cover most of the popular reticles on the market including the Horus reticle. The video also shows a number of views of the Horus reticle on targets at varying ranges. Youtube may have some clips. If the Horus reticle is too much for your needs, something like the TMR or Mil-Dot provides a nice compromise between the standard duplex reticle and something like the Horus type. Anyways, hope this gives you something to think about.
 
If the Horus reticle is too much for your needs, something like the TMR or Mil-Dot provides a nice compromise between the standard duplex reticle and something like the Horus type.

Absolutely agree on matching turrets/reticle. The VX-3 scope has MOA adjustments, so TMR or Mil-Dot would actually create the mismatch you recommend avoiding. The reticle I've shown is the only MOA based reticle that Leupold offers in that model.
 
Will just add that the two times I sent scopes to Leupold for turret changes they were very easy to deal with and had scopes back in a very reasonable amount of time. Best of Luck!
 
That reticle is designed for holdovers and holdoffs and best used in a FFP scope. If you dial a lot then it wouldn't be the best choice IMO.

You are probably better off selling the scope and buying another with features that you'd be more happy with. Matching reticle and turrets make the world a much better place, wink.
 
In the woods, I would go with a simple Boone and Crockett, thick enough to see and plenty of drops to compensate. It is BDC however.

Another scope option in the same price range would be the Mark AR TMR illuminated. You have a TMR reticle for holds, and a dot for quick acquisition in the woods.

For my Remmy Tac I just went with a NF 2.5-10x32, it darn good low light capability, illuminated and not obtrusive mildot. Perfect for a hybrid/dual purpose rifle.





B&C reticle

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Mark AR

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I'm not a big fan of BDC reticles. I'd rather have straight MOA tick marks. BDC turrets have the same limitations, but at least they are cheap and easy to change.


Understood, but most bdc reticles follow a MOA scheme of 2.5, 4, 7 and 11 moa. Generally they work out to a 300, 400, 500 or so drop, but in the woods you are talking 100Y at the most, so MPBR will get you on target. A bit of a restriction, but most of the bells and whistles come in the higher end scopes.

To reply to your original post, I believe the Horus will get washed out in the woods and thicket. I had a similar experience with the thin reticle of the Votex HS, great on the plains, useless in the mountains/dark timber.
 
The Horus reticle was designed for hunting.

I hunt with an H-27 and just not my cup of tea for hunting. I find myself dialing for long shots any way, using it for holdovers just obscures to much of the animal and blends into the background. I'll be going with TMR, MLR style reticles for now on for all my rifles.
I've had several style of BDC reticles and don't like them. They are cookie cutter hold overs and you always have to tweak the power setting for them to work correctly with your caliber and load. I'd rather dial exact distance on a turret or use a Milradian reticle for a quick holdover.