Which 2-stage Remington trigger?
- Thread starter Gil P.
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I had the Timney CE and couldn't get the creep all the way out of it despite tinkering for quite a while. The Bix N' Andy Tacsport is much better, in my experience, and more adjustable.
A lot of guys here really like the Huber, which I haven't tried, but they're very expensive and I don't believe they're adjustable. Seem to be very well regarded however.
If I was buying again and wasn't getting the Bix, I'd probably look at the new Geissele offering. Their AR triggers are fantastic, and this new offering is very adjustable and can even be swapped from single stage to two stage.
A lot of guys here really like the Huber, which I haven't tried, but they're very expensive and I don't believe they're adjustable. Seem to be very well regarded however.
If I was buying again and wasn't getting the Bix, I'd probably look at the new Geissele offering. Their AR triggers are fantastic, and this new offering is very adjustable and can even be swapped from single stage to two stage.
I have tried many different triggers. I always come back to the Timney Calvin Elite. I am not saying that they are the “end all be all” but they are hard to beat in my opinion.
Is this a competition, hunting or “do all” rifle? That might change the answer a bit.
Not sure what people mean by the “creep” they feel in a Timney CE. Mine are as crisp as can be. They are the most reliable and durable.
Is this a competition, hunting or “do all” rifle? That might change the answer a bit.
Not sure what people mean by the “creep” they feel in a Timney CE. Mine are as crisp as can be. They are the most reliable and durable.
This is for a competition rifle. I don't feel any creep in my CE anymore either. There was some when it was new, but it went away on it's own.
Has anyone ever had a problem after getting dust in their 2 stage? Are any of these triggers inherently more reliable than the others?
Has anyone ever had a problem after getting dust in their 2 stage? Are any of these triggers inherently more reliable than the others?
Just my experience, but I've had two Timney triggers. The first was a single stage AR trigger that I sent back to the shop to try to get the creep out, and when I got it back it didn't seem to have changed at all. It wasn't a lot of creep, but when you focused on squeezing the trigger it was definitely there Switched to a Geissele and haven't looked back.
The second was a two stage CE. I adjusted it every which way I could to get the creep out of it, including getting on the phone with a Timney tech to walk me through it, and just couldn't get rid of it. It wasn't noticeable unless you focused on squeezing the trigger, similar to the other Timney I owned, but it was definitely there. Switched to a Bix 'N Andy and it's just a much crisper second stage with absolutely zero creep.
Both were nice triggers, but I've shot enough triggers with zero creep that I really just can't stand having any at all in a precision or hunting rifle. Timney is really well respected and their customer service was always excellent, just sharing my personal experience. Maybe they need time to break in, and that's fair, but I've had a number of triggers with zero creep right out of the box.
I agree with the above about the creep in the Timney. It is almost not there but if you really focus on just the trigger you can tell it is there.
It is so small I am not sure if I would worry about it but in comparison to AI/TRG/CG Extreme it is there.
It is so small I am not sure if I would worry about it but in comparison to AI/TRG/CG Extreme it is there.
I’m looking forward to trying out the new Geissele two stage Remington Trigger.
The TImney CE doesn't compare to the Bix N Andy. THe amount of creep is unacceptable. The creep lessons as you increase pull weight. I need to play with it some more. It will go in a hunting rifle for the kids.
The BnA Tacsport is that much better. The BnA Marksman will go down in dusty conditions so be careful there. The TacSport is sealed up so no problems there. It wont adjust super light (16 ozs ish), but I guess a new one is coming out that goes down to 3 ozs.
The CG is a great trigger. Can also adjust pretty light and eliminate the 2nd stage if you just want single stage. No complaints there. Solid trigger that is a little hard to get adjusted right if you jack with the adjustments. Ive had to send mine back once to get readjusted.
The Huber has a distinct feel and break to it. While not "technically" a 2 stage to the purists, the light take up on the first stage to me is great. I hate a heavy 1st stage. I love my Hubers, but be careful, Ive had one that didn't pass a drop test. Some matches require those. But for cleanest breaking trigger, the Huber wins that.
The Tubbs 2 stage is a great trigger...if it wasn't so huge. I cant use it on my match rifle because it wont fit in my trigger shoe. So if you get an action that has a shoe, don't get the Tubbs. It also require some inletting in your stock...nothing a dremel cant fix tho.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the above.
Good luck,
DT
The BnA Tacsport is that much better. The BnA Marksman will go down in dusty conditions so be careful there. The TacSport is sealed up so no problems there. It wont adjust super light (16 ozs ish), but I guess a new one is coming out that goes down to 3 ozs.
The CG is a great trigger. Can also adjust pretty light and eliminate the 2nd stage if you just want single stage. No complaints there. Solid trigger that is a little hard to get adjusted right if you jack with the adjustments. Ive had to send mine back once to get readjusted.
The Huber has a distinct feel and break to it. While not "technically" a 2 stage to the purists, the light take up on the first stage to me is great. I hate a heavy 1st stage. I love my Hubers, but be careful, Ive had one that didn't pass a drop test. Some matches require those. But for cleanest breaking trigger, the Huber wins that.
The Tubbs 2 stage is a great trigger...if it wasn't so huge. I cant use it on my match rifle because it wont fit in my trigger shoe. So if you get an action that has a shoe, don't get the Tubbs. It also require some inletting in your stock...nothing a dremel cant fix tho.
I don't think you can go wrong with any of the above.
Good luck,
DT
I must be lucky to have a CE with no creep. If it's a common problem, I'll avoid it on my next purchase. When will the geissele be released? Thanks for all the info everyone.
I’ve had two Timney CE 2 stage triggers, on different guns. Both I had to make some adjustments to on install. One was extremely crisp with no creep. The other had a small amount of creep that I could not adjust out. I like two stage triggers in general, and even the one I had with a bit of creep wasn’t bad. I would take it over a crisp single stage any day, but that’s just my personal preference. Just for reference, I live in Phoenix and work about a mile from the Timney factory. I bought and picked up both directly from them. I did not feel the need to contact them about the one that had a little creep. It wasn’t that bad, just noticeable over the other. I have not tried any other R700 2 stage triggers, so I cannot comment on how the Timney compares.
I've been using the CG Xtreme triggers this year. It's really good once you get it adjusted right.
I've talked to another shooter and said that he had 2 of them go down due to dust at the PRS Finale.
The Geisselle one might be worth a try too.
I've talked to another shooter and said that he had 2 of them go down due to dust at the PRS Finale.
The Geisselle one might be worth a try too.
I've never used the Timney CE 2 stage in my own rifles, but the single stage CE is my favorite single stage.
I pretty much only use 2 stage triggers these days and all of my rifles have the Huber.
I would use the Tubb if it would fit any of my chassis without work.
IMO Tubb > Huber > Cadex DX2 > CG.
I won't use a Timney 2 stage or a Bix N Andy. I am hoping to try the Triggertech 2 stage and the Geisselle sometime this year.
I pretty much only use 2 stage triggers these days and all of my rifles have the Huber.
I would use the Tubb if it would fit any of my chassis without work.
IMO Tubb > Huber > Cadex DX2 > CG.
I won't use a Timney 2 stage or a Bix N Andy. I am hoping to try the Triggertech 2 stage and the Geisselle sometime this year.
I know they originally were shooting for late March / early April. What's your source on May?
I want a Geissele too. Though, I hope this is like their AR triggers and I'll be able to get it 30% off on sale.
What don't you like about the Bix n Andy? I was seriously considering that one or the Tubb.
Tubbs, Timney, Trigger Tech are all good but don't compare to the Bix N Andy BR trigger it is the best I have ever felt and have them in all my match rifles
I had a Huber in a Rem 700 but had 2 major issues. When it got to the second stage you could feel a click. The thing that i really didn't like was after chambering a round if you even slightly lifted the bolt it would fire. To be fair to Huber I sent it back and they repaired it. It did take 3 week after it arrived before they shipped it back. I sold it soon as I got it back and traded off the rifle.
Call the Gents at Otmtactical.com and get a Timney Calvin Elite, Great trigger, lifetime warranty, great price
My Timney CE has the slightest bit of creep, but I’m ok with it , knowing it’s gonna be reliable.. It’s never let me down even shooting in some dusty conditions.. I’m not fortunate enough to drop $400 on a designer trigger + the kids need food and pampers..
I just saw the debris test on the Tubb trigger. I'm pretty impressed by its reliability. I think it's the one I'll buy when I get my action.
I've been running a couple CG X-Treme Mod 22s for the past 3yrs w/o any issues including a match in a serious dust storm last spring.
They are great triggers but kinda tricky to get adjusted just right, but when you do....
They are great triggers but kinda tricky to get adjusted just right, but when you do....
I've just seen too many guys have trouble with sear engagement. Also, when you get into real dusty situations where a lot of people complain about Timney 2 stage triggers "going down", wander around the match for a minute and find a Bix N Andy, chances are it "went down" as well. Timney catches more flack just because there are so many more of them out there.
Call John or Diz at Huber Concepts, great triggers and if you talk with John he is a wealth of information on triggers, he’ll teach you shit you’d never think about when buying a trigger.
As I do agree with you that Bix'n Andy Triggers have gone down in dusty conditoins, most do not. Most of the time when you do find Bix'n Andy Triggers go down it is usually because of oil inside the triggers and the shooter is using a Bench Rest version that was not really designed for this type of shooting. The BR triggers will work fine, but you must keep them clean. Any oil, solvent, or "gunk" that gets into the trigger compounds the dusty condition problems and makes it much worse, much faster. Guys started buying the triggers for PRS, I believe Joe Walls was the first. This pulled Bix'n Andy into the PRS world and the TacSport was developed to deal with the conditions.
The TacSport trigger has not failed in any condition that we have been aware of. It is sealed very well and built very robustly. Now, like any trigger... oil and solvent getting into the trigger from not using a good bore guide will cause problems.
That's interesting, I've never had a trigger go down during a match where it was no longer useable. I used to use a Timney 510 that stopped working momentarily during a dust storm. After wriggling the trigger a bit, it started working normally again.
Many times it does not go instantly with out symptoms. Recently we had a guy that said "every now and then it wouldn't go off, so I would run the bolt and the second time it would go" well... the inside of his trigger was full of some kind of oil or solvent. If he would have cleaned his trigger properly from the begining I don't think he would have ended up having a failure. Shooters often ignore symptoms and do not clean their rifles between matches, even if they are feeling some issues rising.
Is there anything you don't like about the Tubb? I have read people's complaints about how they don't like the feel of the first stage. Right now the Bix n Andy and Tubb are my top choices. Do you prefer the feel of one trigger over the other on the ones you mentioned?
Only downside to the Tubb is some stocks require minor fitting for clearance.
Forgot to mention that I also use the AIAX trigger.
One thing I never see mentioned about triggers is the side to side play. The AIAX is very good in this regard. More of a solid, machined parts feel rather than "stamped and assembled."
Forgot to mention that I also use the AIAX trigger.
One thing I never see mentioned about triggers is the side to side play. The AIAX is very good in this regard. More of a solid, machined parts feel rather than "stamped and assembled."
How do the Bix n Andy Marksman and Tacsport triggers differ? Is it just that the Marksman can be a single and two stage trigger?
The other triggers you use have side to side play? Thanks for the reply about the Tubb.
The Marksman Trigger does have open sides and that makes it more suseptable to dust. Also the sear reset force is very low and that also makes it more vulnerable. Although, low reset force is better for accuracy.
BnA TacSport is fantastic. They will be releasing a TacSport PRO version soon. They state it's a fully enclosed design to offer protection from the elements. Not sure if that is any different than the regular TacSport.
BTW, the BnA has a replaceable trigger shoe. They are coming out with various versions so you'll be able to swap out the trigger shoe to your preference.
BTW, the BnA has a replaceable trigger shoe. They are coming out with various versions so you'll be able to swap out the trigger shoe to your preference.
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My timney CE 2 stage has a tiny bit of over travel after the break but no creep. It's set at 8oz first stage and 1lb second. I went and picked it up right from them directly since I'm so close.
I've really been eyeballing the CG extreme triggers for when my nucleus arrives tho. The Geisselle and trigger tech 2stages are tempting too ill just gave to wait to hear reports about them
I've really been eyeballing the CG extreme triggers for when my nucleus arrives tho. The Geisselle and trigger tech 2stages are tempting too ill just gave to wait to hear reports about them
As far as I'm aware TT doesn't have a 2 stage trigger. Not sure if they showed a prototype at SHOT though.
I have been running Huber in all my 700's for quite some time now. John or Diz over there will get you set up if thats the route you wanna go. It's the most reliable in the field in my opinion, and i personally have not had any of the issues with them i see above. The customer service over there is next to none however, and if there is any issue it will get squashed immediately. I wont use anything else when it comes to 2-stage triggers.
