So I need to relocate.

#102
Steve_In_29 said:
Advice for those moving out into the tulies, ensure what you build/buy has a large walk in pantry and room for several fridge/freezers.

This board has tons of info on rural living and people willing to give advice on areas all over the country. It also has state specific sub-forums.

www.survivalistboards.com
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And likely on a well, so generator or back-p manual pump.
 
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tomcatmv said:
And likely on a well, so generator or back-p manual pump.
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True, though a solar well pump helps alleviate that worry. Our current well is on-grid with back up gen but we will be sinking a new one next year (into better water) and it will be solar powered.

On the subject of water, I would recommend against buying property that requires you to haul water in. It's a minor hassle during good times but if the world goes to crap there might not be any where to get water to haul.
 
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Steve_In_29 said:
True, though a solar well pump helps alleviate that worry. Our current well is on-grid with back up gen but we will be sinking a new one next year (into better water) and it will be solar powered.

On the subject of water, I would recommend against buying property that requires you to haul water in. It's a minor hassle during good times but if the world goes to crap there might not be any where to get water to haul.
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I used to live on property that was off the grid (up behind the Wild Animal/Safari Park for those familiar with San Diego), and we had a solar powered pump that ran to a cistern/water tower ("tower is being generous, more like "elevated on legs above the house level"). At any rate, a solar array powered the well pump, and when the float valve shut of that pump, the remaining power went into a battery house (literally a shed with shelves of car batteries), which was used for the house power. A back up generator was located adjacent the battery house, for those days here where we'd get continuous cloud cover and need power for the house, or there was a low power alarm and we wanted to charge the batteries.

BTW, a second well is a huge plus in the event your primary collapses, and you have to sink a new one (ask how I know). :D Fortunately, the neighbor across the road had a water spigot near their road entrance, so they let us run 500' of garden hose across the road and into our cistern to top off every day or so, until the new well could be drilled.
 
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MarinePMI said:
I used to live on property that was off the grid (up behind the Wild Animal/Safari Park for those familiar with San Diego), and we had a solar powered pump that ran to a cistern/water tower ("tower is being generous, more like "elevated on legs above the house level"). At any rate, a solar array powered the well pump, and when the float valve shut of that pump, the remaining power went into a battery house (literally a shed with shelves of car batteries), which was used for the house power. A back up generator was located adjacent the battery house, for those days here where we'd get continuous cloud cover and need power for the house, or there was a low power alarm and we wanted to charge the batteries.

BTW, a second well is a huge plus in the event your primary collapses, and you have to sink a new one (ask how I know). :D Fortunately, the neighbor across the road had a water spigot near their road entrance, so they let us run 500' of garden hose across the road and into our cistern to top off every day or so, until the new well could be drilled.
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My closest neighbor is over 500yds away as the crow flies. That would take a LOT of hose. LOL
 
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CSGambill said:
I didn't see any recommendations for South Dakota. Pretty red, stayed open through the lockdowns. What are the negatives?
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I have considered S .Dakota but it’s a few notches down on my list. The West part of the state is a possibility but the entire Eastern part is a no go. Besides I don’t believe they have elk.

@Bender The entire Southern half of Wyoming is completely safe from me. I drove through that portion last year. It is the most barren area I have seen so far.
 
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eca7891 said:
Can anyone tell me anything about far Western Montana/ Northern Idaho?

We will be fleeing Minnesota so the winter should be slightly less sever.

Idaho seems to be the better choice as it seems to be a more free state.

Any advice on areas to consider? Looking for acreage 20-30 min from major stores.
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I have read through some of this thread and find it entertaining 😂.

I have family with a farm in Montana. I can ask about things if you are interested.

Someone mentioned SC. Someone mentioned a tragedy. There are no tragedies here. You are here one day and then you ain't. I have had law enforcement at my place 4 times in the last 7 years looking for people. Still haven't found any of them.

I am sure there are many places with the same procedures.

Good luck in your search. Let me know if I can help.

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Edit: spelling and probably still got it wrong. Damn Mountain folk and our lack of education
 
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Any information is appreciated.

I have found a few interesting properties but they would require us building. Which is a whole different animal to tackle.

I’ll say this, if you look hard enough you can find sone deceit place at reasonable prices. Other, they have lost their goddamn mind on what they are asking for their land.
 
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eca7891 said:
I have considered S .Dakota but it’s a few notches down on my list. The West part of the state is a possibility but the entire Eastern part is a no go. Besides I don’t believe they have elk.

@Bender The entire Southern half of Wyoming is completely safe from me. I drove through that portion last year. It is the most barren area I have seen so far.
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Yup, the whole state looks like that, absolutely nothing to see. We have zero animals, zero water, zero mountains, nothing.
 
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eca7891 said:
Any information is appreciated.

I have found a few interesting properties but they would require us building. Which is a whole different animal to tackle.

I’ll say this, if you look hard enough you can find sone deceit place at reasonable prices. Other, they have lost their goddamn mind on what they are asking for their land.
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I was looking there many years ago. $500 to $1k per acre. It exploded within a 4 year time frame. I can't really say much. Land here is $6k to $10k per acre.

Another astute hide member mentioned water. That is mandatory! I mean fresh spring water not just a well.

My folks had to build. I'll reach out and send you PM.

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#118
Threadcutter308 said:
Seems like MT is turning more and more blue by the minute. Idaho may be doing the same thing, but at a slower pace.
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This is a rumor in many ways. In the 2020 election Montana was the reddest it has ever been. Not one statewide Dem got within 10 points of winning, the state house went from 57-43R to 67-33R. It is less red than Idaho. Not saying it can't go blue in time, but that was pretty handily rejected this year.

18-29 year olds went 61 percent for Trump this year, which is shocking, and a lot redder than any other state as far as I know.

I think a lot of people, especially in the media, really, really want Montana to be blue, but it seems that those coming in from blue states are leaving their Ds at home, unlike those going elsewhere. I cannot explain why.

Politically, a bad phenomenon is that we have really good, likable Democrat politicians and kind of crappy Republicans. This is the "have a beer with" test. Bullock and Schweitzer were just great pols.

You should google Austin Knudsen. He is the new AG, and hopefully the future of the Republican party in Montana.
 
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CSGambill said:
I didn't see any recommendations for South Dakota. Pretty red, stayed open through the lockdowns. What are the negatives?
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For me, the negative is a big one - WINTER! That reason alone is what is driving me out of Wisconsin (plus the lunatic left-wing governor we have right now). I need a place where the snow shovel is a display item, not a necessity!
 
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Choid said:
This is a rumor in many ways. In the 2020 election Montana was the reddest it has ever been. Not one statewide Dem got within 10 points of winning, the state house went from 57-43R to 67-33R. It is less red than Idaho. Not saying it can't go blue in time, but that was pretty handily rejected this year.

18-29 year olds went 61 percent for Trump this year, which is shocking, and a lot redder than any other state as far as I know.

I think a lot of people, especially in the media, really, really want Montana to be blue, but it seems that those coming in from blue states are leaving their Ds at home, unlike those going elsewhere. I cannot explain why.

Politically, a bad phenomenon is that we have really good, likable Democrat politicians and kind of crappy Republicans. This is the "have a beer with" test. Bullock and Schweitzer were just great pols.

You should google Austin Knudsen. He is the new AG, and hopefully the future of the Republican party in Montana.
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Thanks Choid, that is exceptionally good news ! (y) (y) (y)
 
#122
Choid said:
BTW, You are right that Bozeman is a horror show. I kind of like Missoula for what it is. Never want to live there, though.
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I was particularly heartbroken to see the development on the backside of Big Sky. It's the Gallatin National Forest, FFS. Only to be bought up and trashed by the liberals wanting that "Wilderness experience". :rolleyes:

Someone else took issue with me on this. Their counterpoint being that of bringing money and employment into the area and yes, I get it. My basic gripe is that the Wilderness is being carved up, sold to the highest bidder and CLOSED to the rest of the populace. Very elitist and not at all surprising. Very disappointing.
 
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Choid said:
This is a rumor in many ways. In the 2020 election Montana was the reddest it has ever been. Not one statewide Dem got within 10 points of winning, the state house went from 57-43R to 67-33R. It is less red than Idaho. Not saying it can't go blue in time, but that was pretty handily rejected this year.

18-29 year olds went 61 percent for Trump this year, which is shocking, and a lot redder than any other state as far as I know.

I think a lot of people, especially in the media, really, really want Montana to be blue, but it seems that those coming in from blue states are leaving their Ds at home, unlike those going elsewhere. I cannot explain why.

Politically, a bad phenomenon is that we have really good, likable Democrat politicians and kind of crappy Republicans. This is the "have a beer with" test. Bullock and Schweitzer were just great pols.

You should google Austin Knudsen. He is the new AG, and hopefully the future of the Republican party in Montana.
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I donated to Steve Daines on three seperate occasions. I was getting bombarded constantly with doom and gloom e-mails. I get it, we need to win, so I continued to donate. Maybe the doom and gloom e-mails clouded my perspective. Glad to hear it's better than what it looked like.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
I was particularly heartbroken to see the development on the backside of Big Sky. It's the Gallatin National Forest, FFS. Only to be bought up and trashed by the liberals wanting that "Wilderness experience". :rolleyes:

Someone else took issue with me on this. Their counterpoint being that of bringing money and employment into the area and yes, I get it. My basic gripe is that the Wilderness is being carved up, sold to the highest bidder and CLOSED to the rest of the populace. Very elitist and not at all surprising. Very disappointing.
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Overall I totally agree with you. It is a story that has a bit of complexity as to who is actually the problem, and what the fuck they are thinking, but they are definitely ruining a lot of things in that area. The Bozeman issue is larger, though, as Bozeman seems to attract people who aspire to be bluer than blue staters, with all of their annoying affectations. On the other hand, I kind of see Missoula as just wanting to be weird old Missoula.

As to the "wilderness experience" most of these people would die on day two of a hike into the local botanical garden, but they just have to check the Bob Marshall off their bucket list. I don't get it at all.
 
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Choid said:
This is a rumor in many ways. In the 2020 election Montana was the reddest it has ever been. Not one statewide Dem got within 10 points of winning, the state house went from 57-43R to 67-33R. It is less red than Idaho. Not saying it can't go blue in time, but that was pretty handily rejected this year.

18-29 year olds went 61 percent for Trump this year, which is shocking, and a lot redder than any other state as far as I know.

I think a lot of people, especially in the media, really, really want Montana to be blue, but it seems that those coming in from blue states are leaving their Ds at home, unlike those going elsewhere. I cannot explain why.

Politically, a bad phenomenon is that we have really good, likable Democrat politicians and kind of crappy Republicans. This is the "have a beer with" test. Bullock and Schweitzer were just great pols.

You should google Austin Knudsen. He is the new AG, and hopefully the future of the Republican party in Montana.
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I thought Jaime Dutton was AG? I mean I saw it on Yellowstone and all....
 
#126
Threadcutter308 said:
I donated to Steve Daines on three seperate occasions. I was getting bombarded constantly with doom and gloom e-mails. I get it, we need to win, so I continued to donate. Maybe the doom and gloom e-mails clouded my perspective. Glad to hear it's better than what it looked like.
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Daines is fine. I, of course, vote for him. But he isn't exactly a powerhouse of personality. I have a lot of hopes for Knudsen. He is bright and hard charging.
 
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Soulezoo said:
I thought Jaime Dutton was AG? I mean I saw it on Yellowstone and all....
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Ha.

kylelamb.libsyn.com

Team VTAC with Kyle Lamb: Episode 73 Two politicians, Austin Knudson and Seth Berglee, and a bunch of trash talking in Wyoming.

Austin Knudson, Roosevelt County Attorney, Former Speaker of the Montana House, and now running for Montana Attorney General. In his spare time he loads and shoots as much as he can. Seth Berglee, Montana House of Representatives and co-owner of Shield Arms, former Army Marksmanship Unit...
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Worth a listen for anybody interested in the future of Montana politics.
 
#128
Choid said:
Overall I totally agree with you. It is a story that has a bit of complexity as to who is actually the problem, and what the fuck they are thinking, but they are definitely ruining a lot of things in that area. The Bozeman issue is larger, though, as Bozeman seems to attract people who aspire to be bluer than blue staters, with all of their annoying affectations. On the other hand, I kind of see Missoula as just wanting to be weird old Missoula.

As to the "wilderness experience" most of these people would die on day two of a hike into the local botanical garden, but they just have to check the Bob Marshall off their bucket list. I don't get it at all.
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liberal ? hike ? BMWA ? hah, ha, ha, ha, ha....... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

 
#129
Choid said:
Daines is fine. I, of course, vote for him. But he isn't exactly a powerhouse of personality. I have a lot of hopes for Knudsen. He is bright and hard charging.
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I'm over in Seattle and his advertising is what reached me/caused me to vote for him (via donation). Beyond Daines, I know next to nothing about any of the Republicans there. I just didn't want Daines to lose.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
I'm over in Seattle and his advertising is what reached me/caused me to vote for him. Beyond Daines, I know next to nothing about any of the Republicans there. I just didn't want Daines to lose.
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Don't get me wrong, I like Steve Daines. He votes correctly all the time, he is scandal free, and having won against Bullock he will probably win as long as he wants to run. I thought he might lose. Bullock is a really good politician, pretty popular and he has won a lot of races here. But Daines beat him by ten, and I don't think there is another Democrat on the Montana bench. We need to get rid of Jon Tester for sure. He is awful. I just don't know who we will run against him.
 
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Back to the OP. I personally do not like that part of Montana, but a lot of people do. It just has some sketchier elements up near the Idaho border I'd prefer to avoid. They aren't dangerous, just a little creepy. I'm in kind of central west, really in the middle of nowhere, thank God. There are a lot of great parts of this state. Just don't come here and vote for Democrats.
 
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Choid said:
Don't get me wrong, I like Steve Daines. He votes correctly all the time, he is scandal free, and having won against Bullock he will probably win as long as he wants to run. I thought he might lose. Bullock is a really good politician, pretty popular and he has won a lot of races here. But Daines beat him by ten, and I don't think there is another Democrat on the Montana bench. We need to get rid of Jon Tester for sure. He is awful. I just don't know who we will run against him.
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Yeah, my concern was that if Daines lost, you'd get another Tester (in Bullock). That's why I donated to Daines.

Wish I would have had the same luck donating to Joe Collins, who was running against mad maxine waters........
 
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Choid said:
I personally do not like that part of Montana, but a lot of people do. It just has some sketchier elements up near the Idaho border I'd prefer to avoid. They aren't dangerous, just a little creepy.
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Ok. Now are you really going to leave it like that or are you going to share. 😂
 
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eca7891 said:
Ok. Now are you really going to leave it like that or are you going to share. 😂
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I'll probably be called a commie for this, but it can get a little right wing for my taste up there if you are talking the very border with Idaho. If you are talking the Kalispell area, it is a little too Californian and crowded. Man I sound picky! There are no doubt some beautiful places in that area, and I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand, but there are places I like much more in the state.

If you have any questions about specific areas, feel free to shoot me a message, and I will help all I can.
 
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Threadcutter308 said:
I was particularly heartbroken to see the development on the backside of Big Sky. It's the Gallatin National Forest, FFS. Only to be bought up and trashed by the liberals wanting that "Wilderness experience". :rolleyes:

Someone else took issue with me on this. Their counterpoint being that of bringing money and employment into the area and yes, I get it. My basic gripe is that the Wilderness is being carved up, sold to the highest bidder and CLOSED to the rest of the populace. Very elitist and not at all surprising. Very disappointing.
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Many areas sell their soul in the name of money/jobs and then wonder where the nice community they used to have went. As they complain that locals are now priced out of living there. It's a Pandora's Box and you can't put the demon back inside.

In CA what used to be fun, inexpensive, desert rat hangouts in Landers and Pioneertown are now so expensive that the locals are priced out. The trendy crowd from Los Angeles "discovered" the area and the local establishments got bought up by the alphabet types. You now need a reservation to eat at Pappy & Harriets for christ sake. I used to stop in for food/drinks after a day of 4-wheeling when Harriet was still alive and sitting at the end of the bar telling her WWII stories.
 
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Steve_In_29 said:
Again I don't see the problem as like I said, "It's not like they are moving into the Park and demanding the locals conform to their ideas".

Visiting the Parks is why they were created in the first place.
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Silly me, I didn't realize we had national parks so that people can drive through wilderness in cars only to scream at the animals and stop at the next picnic spot for photos. And of course get their magnets.
 
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Choid said:
Silly me, I didn't realize we had national parks so that people can drive through wilderness in cars only to scream at the animals and stop at the next picnic spot for photos. And of course get their magnets.
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Ah so you feel only certain people should be allowed into the Parks huh?

Kind of like how The German feels only certain people should be allowed to buy ammo?
 
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Sniperwannabee said:
im sure you got a list of 5-10 spots. Whenever you choose one let me have the others to look at:)
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There are soooo many options to go with. It is a bit overwhelming but a plan is forming.

1)
You can buy a turn key home in a rural area. ( This is a compromise because it may not be totally how you want things)

2)
You could buy rural property and build your own.( This has its own unique pitfalls which are WAY too many to list)

3)
You could buy something closer to town which give you all your amenities minus that which you really want, seclusion. You buy something “lower” end or with unfinished area. Finish the unfinished for equity. Buy land in a secluded region of your choice. ( This give you the luxury of time to research areas ) Then build your own at your own pace and not bound to a short time window. Down the road you can always sell your “town home” and make the secluded your new home base.
 
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