UPS No longer Shipping Ammo

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I picked up some ammunition today at the UPS customer care center and was told by people there that UPS is no longer allowing the shipment of ammunition. The lady there told me this was a new policy in effect after the first of the year.

Has anyone else experienced this? Is FedEx doing the same? I would hate to have to rely on USPS.
 

Looks like it is a labeling/classification issue. I'm guessing it will have to be labeled hazmat and packaged a specific way....this is just a guess. If that is the case shipping ammo is about to get real expensive real fast.
 
The use of ORM-D classification has been in process of being phased out for 2 years now, and supposed to be eliminated 1/1/2021. I believe it is now supposed to be Class 9 HAZMAT if it meets minimum weight/volume requirements. Of course the Fed DOT regulates HAZMAT shipments, and it will be up to individual carriers to ensure compliance.
 
I just had 2 boxes of ammo delivered yesterday via UPS. No issues. They were shipped from my supplier before the 1st of the year. I didn't pay attention to the markings on the box though.
 
I just had 2 boxes of ammo delivered yesterday via UPS. No issues.
Apparently packages that were previously labeled ORM-D were "grandfathered" in.

If ammo has a hazmat classification then individuals will not be able to ship ammo unless they hire a third party hazmat packer. Shipping hazardous materials requires certain permits/documentation.
 
I received multiple emails about this for FedEx and UPS over the last month. A few were offering certification classes at FedEx. While I only ship ammo a few times a year, I'm going to go take the certification class.
 
ORM-D also applies to:
Aerosol cans
Charcoal
Drain cleaners
Lighters
Nitromethane fuel
Perfumes
Small arms ammunition (not shipped as Consumer Commodity)
Soldering flux
Some photographic chemicals
Et al

I'm pretty sure UPS is still gonna be shipping that stuff. It's all just going under a different marking system. Two boxes of ammo next to me right now have the new "Limited Quantity" label (black diamond with a white stripe through the middle) that's replacing ORM-D, and they were shipped by UPS within the last two months.
 
Also note the below...

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I just ordered some ammo last night from a solid and reputable store. (No, not the botched Gunbroker...:mad:) I would imagine that suppliers and stores would have known about this some time ago and informed the customers about any impending or drastic changes and fees. Another deep thought from my shallow mind is that some very insidious people, with one goal, are slowly turning the screws. It's not the ammo's fault that it has become so problematic....:ROFLMAO:
 
I just ordered some ammo last night from a solid and reputable store. (No, not the botched Gunbroker...:mad:) I would imagine that suppliers and stores would have known about this some time ago and informed the customers about any impending or drastic changes and fees. Another deep thought from my shallow mind is that some very insidious people, with one goal, are slowly turning the screws. It's not the ammo's fault that it has become so problematic....:ROFLMAO:

Called their support center and my UPS store is apparently special needs.

The only change is a limited quantity diamond label is needed instead of the ORM-D label. Thats it, just a different label....I feel retarded now.
 
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Called their support center and my UPS store is apparently special needs.

The only change is a limited quantity diamond label is needed instead of the ORM-D label. Thats it, just a different label....I fell retarded now.

remember most if not all "UPS Store" storefronts are owner operated not the same as UPS operated. Frequently they have different owner policies that have absolutely jack squat to do with UPS centers and policies.
 
remember most if not all "UPS Store" storefronts are owner operated not the same as UPS operated. Frequently they have different owner policies that have absolutely jack squat to do with UPS centers and policies.

I interacted with an actual UPS customer center. The lady on the phone basically told me they are not trained properly and to always call the UPS support line with questions....I guess now I know.
 
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I looked at the links posted but could not find - does anyone know what the limits are to qualify as "Limited Quantity"?
 
I think the verbiage is confusing. The labeling requirements have changed to reflect the diamond label. Has to be shipped from a hub and not the storefronts. <60lbs per “limited quantity” definition.
 
ORM-D-Air went away at the end of 2012, ORM-D was valid until 31 Dec, 2020.

Someone trying to ship ORM-D-Air after 2012 just had to classify and mark the package Class 9 or other as appropriate.

Limited Qty is 20kg (66lbs) by the way.
 
It only depends on the hazmat product you are sending. Some are forbidden, some aren't. It also depends on the amount sent.
Let me put it this way, we don’t even transport the oil for our engines on our planes from one city to the next with people on board. Take that for what it is. I’m not saying it’s gonna happen, I’m saying it could happen. Remember, Beto is slated for sec of transport
 
Let me put it this way, we don’t even transport the oil for our engines on our planes from one city to the next with people on board. Take that for what it is. I’m not saying it’s gonna happen, I’m saying it could happen. Remember, Beto is slated for sec of transport
That could be your policy. But that's not regulations.
If I'm reading the right description, gas oil, hazardous class of 3, UN1202, clearly states up to 60 L can be transported on passenger aircraft/rail.
 
That could be your policy. But that's not regulations.
If I'm reading the right description, gas oil, hazardous class of 3, UN1202, clearly states up to 60 L can be transported on passenger aircraft/rail.
That’s probably correct. But most, if not all, passenger air carriers are non hazardous goods transport policies which are stricter than what’s allowed. We don’t want the liability or the cost to do it. Thanks to value jet going down for transporting O2 canisters.
 
That’s probably correct. But most, if not all, passenger air carriers are non hazardous goods transport policies which are stricter than what’s allowed. We don’t want the liability or the cost to do it. Thanks to value jet going down for transporting O2 canisters.
Yeah, I would figure majority of hazmat shipments are sent on cargo planes, but by US law, they can be sent passenger plane with certain quantities. I'm sure some things are and most aren't even aware of it. Lithium batteries for instance. They are considered hazmat, but are brought on planes all the time (laptops) due to the amount, which is limited. A max of 5kg is what is allowed on passenger planes.
 
Yeah, I would figure majority of hazmat shipments are sent on cargo planes, but by US law, they can be sent passenger plane with certain quantities. I'm sure some things are and most aren't even aware of it. Lithium batteries for instance. They are considered hazmat, but are brought on planes all the time (laptops) due to the amount, which is limited. A max of 5kg is what is allowed on passenger planes.
Lithium batteries can only be carried in the passenger compartment and not in the cargo or in checked bags. That way if they overheat we know before it burns a hole in the plane. Can’t remember if we weight limit those, my gut says no. The only batteries that go below are from the rascals of the fatties, but those are usually a sealed acid type, not lithium.
 
If airlines start restricting ammo due to it being labeled as "hazardous", what are people gonna do when going to guided hunts or shooting sport events? Snail mail a couple weeks ahead of time?

I did notice the new white diamond label on a couple bricks of 22lr I just had delivered though.
 
@AngryKoala - news to me, Ive shipped a few boxes over the past few weeks with no issues, including today. Are you talking about dropping off ammo at the hub only?
I contacted their hazardous materials support center and they stated the only change is the ORM-D label has been phased out and replaced with a blank limited quantity diamond.

She also stated that the normal UPS staff is not trained and may not fully understand the change so everyone may have different interactions at different locations. I unfortunately had an interaction with an "uninformed" individual at the UPS customer center.
 
Just mailed some ammo yesterday to another hide member through the UPS hub ,not ship center. description was cartidges, small arms with ORM-D labels on the sides
That shouldn't have happened according to the new guidelines but it seems each location has staff with differing levels of training.
 
These are the same people who made me put an orm-d label on boxes with the diamond last month, so youre probably correct in their knowledge. Either way, my package is 2 stops away from here en route to its destination, so im guessing whatever restrictions are just for the clerk counter to figure out and dont apply once on the move.
 
These are the same people who made me put an orm-d label on boxes with the diamond last month, so youre probably correct in their knowledge. Either way, my package is 2 stops away from here en route to its destination, so im guessing whatever restrictions are just for the clerk counter to figure out and dont apply once on the move.

I was told it could be returned to the shipper but I honestly doubt they will care enough to do so.
 
All I'm adding to this thread, is a bit of a clarification on "Metric Math". A few folks above have quoted "20 kgs or 66 lbs" and believe me when I tell you, the two are NOT equal.

2.2 lbs per kilogram. Ergo, 10 kg's is equivalent to 22 lbs. 20 kg's is equivalent to 44 lbs. Just trying to clear this up, as Metric throws everyone off.

I could then throw something like 25 kg's into the mix, but then we'll be bringing up fractions and whatnot, and throwing EVERYONE off. Multiplying the component by the exponent then getting the square-root from the divisible.... makes things exponentially harder.

;)
 
All I'm adding to this thread, is a bit of a clarification on "Metric Math". A few folks above have quoted "20 kgs or 66 lbs" and believe me when I tell you, the two are NOT equal.

2.2 lbs per kilogram. Ergo, 10 kg's is equivalent to 22 lbs. 20 kg's is equivalent to 44 lbs. Just trying to clear this up, as Metric throws everyone off.

I could then throw something like 25 kg's into the mix, but then we'll be bringing up fractions and whatnot, and throwing EVERYONE off. Multiplying the component by the exponent then getting the square-root from the divisible.... makes things exponentially harder.

;)

Picograms and......go lol
 
UPS rules state that a person can ship ammunition, providing it is not incindiary, .50 cal, etc. it must be well packaged. It must have the “Limited Quantity” label attached. No more ORM-D. Sounds fine. I copied and pasted to get a free label. Packed a bunch of .30-30 for some poor dude in Indiana, who was willing to go on guncheater and pay $365 for 6 boxes of 25 year old Remington 175gr Softpoints, 20 6.5 x 55mm surplus rounds, and a dozen empty once-fired brass. I felt sorry for him, so put some Rimfire ammo in the box. Only one problem: when I filled out the form, the rules said that I could not ship via the local access point, which is my neighborhood CVS. I called them, and the manager said bring it in, we don’t care. Fine, except it needed to be insured, which means I have to claim it for what it is, which means CVS man doesn’t know his rules. When asked, I get crickets and a stutter. So, I tell the program to set up a UPS driver to pick it up on my front porch. Nice! I get to set a date and a time range for the pick-up. Everything good, until I get to the Item Description. The rules state that my shipment, via Ground, is ok per UPS regulations. When I plug in the Item Description of Remington .30-30 Rifle Cartridges, the ole algorithm tells me that my product is illegal to ship, even though the regulations say I am good. So, I reverted to my W.Va. talk, and told it that I was shipping boxes of Remington .30-30 Shells. Perfecto! Algorithm, meet hillbilly. Sat the box on my front door table behind my lil birdhouse, and it was picked up on time, and listed as shipped, delivery next Tuesday. After my package arrives, I will contact UPS and ask why their algorithm can’t be corrected to allow me to insert proper descriptions in their software. The law of Unintended Consequences is alive at UPS. Now I know why they want me to drive 40 miles to the Hub. But the Hub ain’t open till 3pm. If this didn’t convince me that we have joined the 3rd World, the D.C. shitstorm sure did.