HB957 (Made In Texas Suppressors) just passed in the TX Senate on 2nd reading

[Choid]

Do we have a test case yet?

Yes, read about the Montana Firearms Freedom Act. It didn't fare well in court.

Honestly, this wouldn't even be a 2nd amendment case. If you can use made in China parts for your Texas made suppressor, the vast amount of precedent regarding the commerce clause makes it pretty obvious. It isn't a matter of what I think should happen, but a matter of what absolutely will happen.

 

[eca7891]

Well, the law was signed today, and does not go into effect until Sept 1 sooo...

I’ll take that as a probably not.

lol!

 

[eca7891]

That would be a bbc for the Texas bill.

bbc- big black cloud.

 

[TxWelder35]

Its all defined clearly in the bill. The bill is short and to the point. Machining and assembly has to be done in Texas. Materials do not have to be from Texas.

Texas-2021-HB957-Enrolled

Doesn’t really matter what’s in the tx law. Alphabet bois are going to claim interstate commerce no matter what and will put you in fed prison if they want to. Don’t give them a reason too. I damn sure wouldn’t be advertising selling one, but if you make one yourself you are partially correct, stamp made in tx on it, and the local Leo should leave you alone

 

[Snuby642]

I will read and reread the new law to make sure we are compliant.

Will probably attempt a tuner model.

May wait to see how the feds play this since we are on the rollcall allready.

Too many compliant items to risk a screw up especially for a redundant item.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I believe they could use the IRS because of tax evasion. The government has other tools and not just interstate commerce clause. While it pisses me off to no end that there can be sanctuary cities and states for things that are illegal, suppressor are the only ones that are taxed. Maybe if the Federal government regulated and tax marijuana those cities and state wouldn’t be able to get away with what they are doing as the Fed would want it’s money.

 

[Texasflyer]

My lgs just got a batch of Texas made suppressors in stock. They even have a lone star on the end cap..... almost brought a tear to my eye.

 

[TexPatriot]

Guilty until proven innocent. This sounds as bad as the roadblocks these guys do. I wouldn’t have thought they would bother. Shameful.

It's like the YouTube vids of a freelance journalist getting harassed by a local cop for video taping something from a public sidewalk.

The cop thinks it's ok to demand the camera guy's name and see his DL. His reasoning for the illegal interrogation is "I don't know you or know who you are."

 

[7.62willdo]

That would be a bbc for the Texas bill.

bbc- big black cloud.

That’s funny my wife’s search history is full of bbc, I guess she more interested in politics than I thought.

 

[TexPatriot]

That’s funny my wife’s search history is full of bbc, I guess she more interested in politics than I thought.

Needs to be told in Rodney Dangerfield's voice.

 

[NoDopes]

So, I admit I've never read the actual details before, the the wording looks ripe for police abuse. More than I had thought.

Terry v. Ohio - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TxWelder35]

My lgs just got a batch of Texas made suppressors in stock. They even have a lone star on the end cap..... almost brought a tear to my eye.

You should PM me who that might be. For research purposes.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Wait for the declaratory judgement.

 

[Texasflyer]

You should PM me who that might be. For research purposes.

I gotta go by there tomarrow. I will do that.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

My lgs just got a batch of Texas made suppressors in stock. They even have a lone star on the end cap..... almost brought a tear to my eye.

The big question is do you have to fill out a 4473. If you do there’s a paper trail to you. The ATF audits FFLs, so they’ll see people got suppressors and it will end up just like the guy in KS and his FFL.

 

[QuickNDirty]

The big question is do you have to fill out a 4473. If you do there’s a paper trail to you. The ATF audits FFLs, so they’ll see people got suppressors and it will end up just like the guy in KS and his FFL.

No.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

No.

Ok, I’ll get in line for a few if thats the case.

 

[Texasflyer]

The big question is do you have to fill out a 4473. If you do there’s a paper trail to you. The ATF audits FFLs, so they’ll see people got suppressors and it will end up just like the guy in KS and his FFL.

 

[Charger442]

No.

Ok, I’ll get in line for a few if thats the case.

if thats so, in the eyes of the ATF, not only are you not paying the Form 4 tax stamp and registering with the NFA, you also are illegally selling a firearm through an actual FFL.


Good luck to the guinea pigs. you may beat the rap, but it's going to be a long and ridiculously expensive ride.

 

[Choid]

if thats so, in the eyes of the ATF, not only are you not paying the Form 4 tax stamp and registering with the NFA, you also are illegally selling a firearm through an actual FFL.


Good luck to the guinea pigs. you may beat the rap, but it's going to be a long and ridiculously expensive ride.

Yeah, any pictures in this thread should be considered "dudes posting their Ls."

 

[Charger442]

They could sell a lot of these come September.

anyone want some tin foil?

what do you bet the FBI conveniently finds one of those attached to an AR ghost pistol with brace, after a "mass shooting" come about October time ?

 

[7.62willdo]

if thats so, in the eyes of the ATF, not only are you not paying the Form 4 tax stamp and registering with the NFA, you also are illegally selling a firearm through an actual FFL.


Good luck to the guinea pigs. you may beat the rap, but it's going to be a long and ridiculously expensive ride.

What he said

 

[QuickNDirty]

if thats so, in the eyes of the ATF, not only are you not paying the Form 4 tax stamp and registering with the NFA, you also are illegally selling a firearm through an actual FFL.


Good luck to the guinea pigs. you may beat the rap, but it's going to be a long and ridiculously expensive ride.

Wait for the declaratory judgement.

How fucking hard is that?

 

[Charger442]

Wait for the declaratory judgement.

How fucking hard is that?

so it says, per GOA, that the law "Gives a path to secure a declaratory judgment on the constitutionality of this law before someone manufactures “Made in Texas” suppressors"

Who gets to issue that? a Federal court? Texas Supreme Court?

Let me be the guy who doesnt want to be a hypocrite here, but dont we get pissed off at shitty democrats who pass laws that are fully unconstitutional? and shouldnt we expect our law makers to try and hold to the same standard? yes, its something that we really want, but if its unconstitutional, then what does it really accomplish? except to pinch a few good people in the process?


we need to move past the warm fuzzy of moral victories and start getting some actual fucking victories.

 

[Flyingbullseye]

anyone want some tin foil?

what do you bet the FBI conveniently finds one of those attached to an AR ghost pistol with brace, after a "mass shooting" come about October time ?

Hey mods, think we can get this prophetic post stickied for the near future?

 

[Charger442]

Hey mods, think we can get this prophetic post stickied for the near future?

i hope im wrong. but the Bureau being behind the January 6th and Whitmer plots? doesnt give any of us a good feeling about what they are about.

 

[hollowoutadime]

I don't know about you guys, but if I do time it'll be for something righteous, not a $200 tax stamp. That said, it may take something like this signed law, to get challenged, and possibly whittle down the NFA via SCOTUS. Heller brought about a move towards goodness.

 

[TexPatriot]

Ruby Ridge and Waco were ignited over some NFA spark. Just sayin.'

 

[Charger442]

Ruby Ridge and Waco were ignited over some NFA spark. Just sayin.'

Thats correct.

everyone died at waco.

Randy lost everything at Ruby Ridge

 

[Texasflyer]

I asked, and my lgs said that they will not be allowing over the counter sales, they are a federally liscenced shop or some shit and cant do it. The option is there but i will personally be staying above board on my purchases.

 

[TexPatriot]

I'm kinda liking what I'm seeing here. Maybe it's one step closer to secession.

The text of H.B. 957 says, “A firearm suppressor that is manufactured in this state and remains in this state is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of the United States Congress to regulate interstate commerce.”

Abbott Signs Bill Exempting Texas-Made Suppressors from Federal Regulation

Gov. Greg Abbott (R) signed legislation Thursday exempting Texas-made suppressors from federal regulations and controls.

www.breitbart.com

 

[hlee]

Regardless of what you heard from some neck-beard that huffed too much Hoppes, Texas has no recognized right to dissolve the union between it and the rest of the US. The question of whether or not the “United“ in United States” is permanent was resolved in 1865.

 

[TexPatriot]

Regardless of what you heard from some neck-beard that huffed too much Hoppes, Texas has no recognized right to dissolve the union between it and the rest of the US. The question of whether or not the “United“ in United States” is permanent was resolved in 1865.

Mmm, not sure about that, at least in Texas's case. Unlike the other states, we came into the Union as a country and with certain stipulations. Thats why the Texas flag is the only state flag flown at the same height as the Stars and Stripes when on separate flagpoles.

I seem to remember one of the stipulations was Texas can secede if it decides to. Thats not to say the other states didn't join the Union under the same agreement.
Not sure the 'united' in the United States being made permanent was even legal or just a new law imposed by a government on war crippled states that seceded.

 

[hlee]

Mmm, not sure about that, at least in Texas's case. Unlike the other states, we came into the Union as a country and with certain stipulations. Thats why the Texas flag is the only state flag flown at the same height as the Stars and Stripes when on separate flagpoles.

I seem to remember one of the stipulations was Texas can secede if it decides to. That not to say the other states didn't join the Union under the same agreement.
Not sure the 'united' in the United States being permanent was even legal or just a new law imposed by a government on war crippled states that seceded.

Yeah, lots of people say this. When pressed, they follow with “Heard it from a friend of a friend. He’s the dentist of the chiropractor that does “spinal realignments” for the wife of an intern in the state capitol. Pretty much straight from the mouth of god.“ Anyway, cite the source. Like, find the documents. I’ll wait.

 

[TexPatriot]

Yeah, lots of people say this. When pressed, they follow with “Heard it from a friend of a friend. He’s the dentist of the chiropractor that does “spinal realignments” for the wife of an intern in the state capitol. Pretty much straight from the mouth of god.“ Anyway, cite the source. Like, find the documents. I’ll wait.

Ok, you wait. When I have a chance, I'll try and find the documents.

 

[hlee]

Ok, you wait. When I have a chance, I'll try and find the documents.

In this instance, I will quite enjoy being wrong.

 

[js1977]

But,but, but you didn’t pay a tax stamp...
The ATF will be mad at you...
You have to comply like everyone else...
A bunch of freaking fudds!!!

I’d rather be in a room full of honest anti-gun people. At least they don’t beat around the bush about it.

Everyone should support this and fight against anyone who looks to oppose it.
The founding fathers would be ashamed of us.

 

[hlee]

This website has a lot of something about this topic...

https://texassecede.com/faq.php

I read through the first few points linked above. I'm not a lawyer, but I've spent plenty of time in a feed lot. I'll let you figure out how that is relevant.

 

[TexPatriot]

In this instance, I will quite enjoy being wrong.

This is going to have to tide you over for awhile. This was post civil war.

Enjoy.

...Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the United States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

 

[hlee]

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the United States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States.

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the United States, explicitly or implicitly allows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States.

Please point to the false statement...

 

[W54/XM-388]

But,but, but you didn’t pay a tax stamp...
The ATF will be mad at you...
You have to comply like everyone else...
A bunch of freaking fudds!!!

I’d rather be in a room full of honest anti-gun people. At least they don’t beat around the bush about it.

Everyone should support this and fight against anyone who looks to oppose it.
The founding fathers would be ashamed of us.

You kind of sound suspiciously like somebody who does this kind of posting as your job....

 

[Choid]

Does it really matter what the documents say regarding Texan secession? There was good reason to think the South should have been allowed to secede in the 1860s. There was the precedent of the Revolutionary War, much more appetite for the idea that states were states first, etc. The only things they lacked was a military that could see them through the courage of their convictions, and a government up North who was willing to let them go. I'd imagine Texas, awesome as we all know it truly is, would find many of the same difficulties.

 

[TexPatriot]

You don’t need legal permission to say fuck you I’m out. Did our founding fathers have permission when they broke out from under Great Britain’s tyranny? I never understood this argument from people.

Exactly.

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the United States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States.

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the United States, explicitly or implicitly allows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States.

Please point to the false statement...

It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." [7]

If We the People decide the government is the enemy we can throw off said government. Don't lose sight that we the people are still in charge, at least in theory.

 

[js1977]

Nope, not a professional “Wake up Merica!” poster. Just telling it how it be...

 

[1911hombre]

My first taste of beer was a lone star red.... it had been forgotten on the bbq pit and was about 150 degrees and stale. I will never forget that.

Hopefully there was a cigarette butt in it, too. Priceless.

 

[Texasflyer]

Hopefully there was a cigarette butt in it, too. Priceless.

Nope, but my sisters first drink of beer was some dudes spit can... she doesnt drink at all.

 

[hlee]

Exactly.

It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." [7]

If We the People decide the government is the enemy we can throw off said government. Don't lose sight that we the people are still in charge, at least in theory.

No State entered the Union with a prenuptial agreement. A divorce will not be amicable. No mechanism exists for a peaceful secession of any State, not even Texas.

 

[TexPatriot]

No State entered the Union with a prenuptial agreement. A divorce will not be amicable. No mechanism exists for a peaceful secession of any State, not even Texas.

Thats a whole separate discussion.

 

[Shifty_One]

Subbed. Dead air needs to move to Texas please.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

No State entered the Union with a prenuptial agreement. A divorce will not be amicable. No mechanism exists for a peaceful secession of any State, not even Texas.

Nuclear weapons would change things