LAW TACTICAL ARIC REPORT!!!

Necessary 3vil · Feb 22, 2023

Okay so don’t waste your hard earned loot on the Law Tactical ARIC bolt carrier group. It’s a great idea but it does not work efficiently or reliably if your life depends on it. Great gimmick!!! After a ton of time and effort, 30rd mags of many styles, SS, aluminum, PMAGS, and Lancer, it absolutely will not work with any of them from a start with more than 26 rounds…. Stove pipes, FTE, FTF, start chambered or charging it just won’t work due to mag spring pressures being too tight with full magazines. The Magpul PMAGS are worse and they seem to have more spring pressure or wall friction. I’m done! It’s a great idea but what I was looking for was what the SIG MCX can do which is the ability to fire while folded or stock less. In an instance where needed to get out of a vehicle’s door window or windshield or a very tight space from a room. Why they released this without obviously completing heavy trial and error or extensive R&D blows my mind!!! Especially considering the price of this awesome idea….and I’d love to hear from anyone else that’s jumped into this?!?!
For me it’s a hard NO….

7mmShooter · Feb 22, 2023

Dead foot Arms MCS folder… problem solved unless you’re specifically trying to use an MCX style picatinny stock

Asiparks · Feb 24, 2023

MAC says same.....

Necessary 3vil · Feb 24, 2023

Yeah, moving on to something else…

Ape_Factory · Feb 24, 2023

I purchased the MCX Spear after watching MAC's video. Like you said, great idea but poor execution. The moment that small part went flying across the room upon disassembly, the ARIC made it into the "nope" pile. With the MCX, you get the benefits of a piston setup along with an overall width that's less when folded at an eye bleed-inducing price point.

Kevin-LawTactical · May 22, 2024

I'm sorry you had a poor experience with ARIC, please feel free to reach out to me at [email protected] if you want to either return it, or get a different version.

I would like to note that we do mention that anti-rotation pins are not compatible with ARIC, as well that the Screw in Strike Industries 1913 rail isn't 100% with it either.
We have seen that the Strike plug tends to slightly interfere with the proper fitment of the Tail Cup - and so the cup will cant resulting in the springs being impeded in their travel, and robbing energy.

As for the MAC video - well if you replace parts with non compatible parts, what does one expect? If you have watched the video it is clear that the installation instructions were not followed, but he had changed the bolt.

Properly installed the ARIC system will have no issues feeding a fully loaded Magpul D60 magazine, and functioning

V/R

Kevin Boland
Director of R&D
[email protected]
www.lawtactical.com

GUNNER10 · May 22, 2024

Kevin-LawTactical said:
I'm sorry you had a poor experience with ARIC, please feel free to reach out to me at [email protected] if you want to either return it, or get a different version.

I would like to note that we do mention that anti-rotation pins are not compatible with ARIC, as well that the Screw in Strike Industries 1913 rail isn't 100% with it either.
We have seen that the Strike plug tends to slightly interfere with the proper fitment of the Tail Cup - and so the cup will cant resulting in the springs being impeded in their travel, and robbing energy.

As for the MAC video - well if you replace parts with non compatible parts, what does one expect? If you have watched the video it is clear that the installation instructions were not followed, but he had changed the bolt.

Properly installed the ARIC system will have no issues feeding a fully loaded Magpul D60 magazine, and functioning

V/R

Kevin Boland
Director of R&D
[email protected]
www.lawtactical.com

Neat...

Might be worth checking out, I'm a fan of the standard folding hinge.

tucaz · May 22, 2024

JIMB3AM said:
Yeah, moving on to something else…

…..like an mcx? they are fantastic IMO

Kevin-LawTactical · May 29, 2024

tucaz said:
…..like an mcx? they are fantastic IMO

I am not going to bash the MCX here, and when you are able to make a dedicate system from scratch there is a lot you can accomplish.

Our goal was simply to allow users with the folder on a AR-15 style firearm to be able to accomplish the fire folded desire.
Because we don't control the host firearm, the ammunition, and suppressor (if applicable) we had to make a few different versions (and tried 26 different venting combinations during design).

The installation for most is quite easy - however we have seen some that are literally hair tearing out - due to various tolerance stack issues that took a long time to diagnose. We do however give a 100% satisfaction guarantee - so if you aren't happy with it, we will take it back and refund your money.

We did come out with a pistol plate -

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Review: Law Tactical ARIC Pistol Plate

The Law Tactical ARIC Pistol Plate lets you add more control to your large format pistol without adding a brace.

www.shootingillustrated.com

As well we have a 1913 adapter in the works - we had a demo version at SHOT - but it failed drop testing, so we had to redo the design, and it will be available when we finish testing (internal and external). We have a no tools required requirement for breakdown and maintenance so it isn't a easy as we had hoped. For those who want the 1913 and don't want to wait - BG Defense makes one.
https://bgdefense.com/product/ground-combat-solutions-modular-qds-mount-w-picatinny-rail/. I have two they do work, but do require the stock to be removed and some tools for disassembly for cleaning and maintenance.

V/R
Kevin

Bluedog82 · May 29, 2024

Kevin-LawTactical said:
I am not going to bash the MCX here, and when you are able to make a dedicate system from scratch there is a lot you can accomplish.

Our goal was simply to allow users with the folder on a AR-15 style firearm to be able to accomplish the fire folded desire.
Because we don't control the host firearm, the ammunition, and suppressor (if applicable) we had to make a few different versions (and tried 26 different venting combinations during design).

The installation for most is quite easy - however we have seen some that are literally hair tearing out - due to various tolerance stack issues that took a long time to diagnose. We do however give a 100% satisfaction guarantee - so if you aren't happy with it, we will take it back and refund your money.

We did come out with a pistol plate -

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Review: Law Tactical ARIC Pistol Plate

The Law Tactical ARIC Pistol Plate lets you add more control to your large format pistol without adding a brace.

www.shootingillustrated.com

As well we have a 1913 adapter in the works - we had a demo version at SHOT - but it failed drop testing, so we had to redo the design, and it will be available when we finish testing (internal and external). We have a no tools required requirement for breakdown and maintenance so it isn't a easy as we had hoped. For those who want the 1913 and don't want to wait - BG Defense makes one.
https://bgdefense.com/product/ground-combat-solutions-modular-qds-mount-w-picatinny-rail/. I have two they do work, but do require the stock to be removed and some tools for disassembly for cleaning and maintenance.

V/R
Kevin

Props to you for jumping into the fray here sir, it’s much appreciated.

Necessary 3vil · Jun 1, 2024

@Kevin-LawTactical thank you for jumping into the hide and offering me the opportunity to return said item but I’m going to have to decline as I’ve found that said item is fully operational in a different rig and I’m super happy with it. I was trying to make a difficult yet what seemed to be a neat idea work and failed constantly. Said I quit and threw it into my FN and BAM!!!!! My least expensive rifle works mostly flawlessly with the ARIC. Still run into some PMAG’s not cooperating when full during mag swaps. It runs well dry or wet. Exceptionally well with the Omega 36…

Necessary 3vil · Jun 14, 2024

Okay so I made yet another mod today.

Bluedog82 · Jun 14, 2024

JIMB3AM said:
Okay so I mad yet another mod today.View attachment 8439073

What picatinny buffer tube end caps are you using?

7mmShooter · Jun 14, 2024

Bluedog82 said:
What picatinny buffer tube end caps are you using?

Looks like the BG Defense one that Kevin linked a couple posts up

Necessary 3vil · Jun 14, 2024

Got it from BG Defense.

Necessary 3vil · Jun 14, 2024

Here’s a link.

https://bgdefense.com/product/ground-combat-solutions-modular-qds-mount-w-picatinny-rail/

Argent · Aug 13, 2024

Kevin-LawTactical said:
I am not going to bash the MCX here, and when you are able to make a dedicate system from scratch there is a lot you can accomplish.

Our goal was simply to allow users with the folder on a AR-15 style firearm to be able to accomplish the fire folded desire.
Because we don't control the host firearm, the ammunition, and suppressor (if applicable) we had to make a few different versions (and tried 26 different venting combinations during design).

The installation for most is quite easy - however we have seen some that are literally hair tearing out - due to various tolerance stack issues that took a long time to diagnose. We do however give a 100% satisfaction guarantee - so if you aren't happy with it, we will take it back and refund your money.

We did come out with a pistol plate -

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Review: Law Tactical ARIC Pistol Plate

The Law Tactical ARIC Pistol Plate lets you add more control to your large format pistol without adding a brace.

www.shootingillustrated.com

As well we have a 1913 adapter in the works - we had a demo version at SHOT - but it failed drop testing, so we had to redo the design, and it will be available when we finish testing (internal and external). We have a no tools required requirement for breakdown and maintenance so it isn't a easy as we had hoped. For those who want the 1913 and don't want to wait - BG Defense makes one.
https://bgdefense.com/product/ground-combat-solutions-modular-qds-mount-w-picatinny-rail/. I have two they do work, but do require the stock to be removed and some tools for disassembly for cleaning and maintenance.

V/R
Kevin

Any news on the 1913 adapter and future of the ARIC line in general?

Kevin-LawTactical · Aug 13, 2024

Argent said:
Any news on the 1913 adapter and future of the ARIC line in general?

We finally have the new version of the 1913 Rail Adapter Kit's in testing - as soon as we get that wrapped up we will start production.
The goal was to allow for tool-less take down of the system. The previous version had a push button to use with a bullet tip to pop the rail off so you could push the ARIC Tail Cup into the Upper to then pivot the upper open for cleaning etc. We kept breaking the retaining pin for the rail in drop testing as I mentioned above - so this version keeps the rail on, and allows you to push the Tail Cup forward from the side of the Adapter Kit.
We really do not suggest popping the pins and separating the receivers to access ARIC - as one tends to end up catching the Back Plate in the Tail Cup and one ends up causing burrs on it, or the springs - which then really does not help reliability.

* I drilled a 1/4" hole in the BG Defense rail setup so I can push the tail cup forward with a cleaning rod -- AFTER I found out that I was buggering the springs and end plate up on the Tail Cup by separating the pins and taking it apart that way. - Live and Learn

Last March we incorporated a Sealant/Anti-Tamper on the Gas Key Screws - as we had a few broken ones that the users (or their armorers) admitted they had tried to check torque but used the Stock M4 Gas Key Screw Value - and broke the heads off.
-- We also have seen broken screws (pre Sealant/Anti-Tamper) on some Very Short Barrel guns (4-6" 5.56mm) which we had never tested as I wasn't really aware they where a thing.
If you ever have someone you hate - go have them do a 20k round endurance test on a 5" 5.56mm gun, having done one - it is something I won't every do again - they can be fun in small doses, but mag after mag the concussion gets to you even with plugs under Peltors.

As a result of that we have a new Gas Key Design that will go back to the TDP Gas Key Screws, on a shortened TDP type Gas Key (we cannot use the TDP Gas Key as we have a longer stroke than the TDP Carrier - and the Finger of the Tail Cup would get impacted by it). We have started testing on that - and when we get a few units over 20k rounds on them, and it is deemed good to go, we will make a Gen 2 ARIC - time frame of that I honestly don't know.

Necessary 3vil · Aug 13, 2024

Photo dump if it helps to give an idea of what’s involved taking down and reassembling. I pop pins with hammer up and slide upper forward, the rear cup slides forward no issue and off it comes as I slide cup slightly into upper receiver. Note, dust cover must be open for this to work…!

Argent · Aug 13, 2024

I'm looking forward to those releases! A product bundle would be

@Kevin-LawTactical is there a list of ARIC compatible uppers? I think you mentioned anti-rotation tabs being an issue, but in what way? E.g. are BCM MK2 uppers an issue?

Necessary 3vil · Aug 13, 2024

Kevin-LawTactical said:
We finally have the new version of the 1913 Rail Adapter Kit's in testing - as soon as we get that wrapped up we will start production.
The goal was to allow for tool-less take down of the system. The previous version had a push button to use with a bullet tip to pop the rail off so you could push the ARIC Tail Cup into the Upper to then pivot the upper open for cleaning etc. We kept breaking the retaining pin for the rail in drop testing as I mentioned above - so this version keeps the rail on, and allows you to push the Tail Cup forward from the side of the Adapter Kit.
We really do not suggest popping the pins and separating the receivers to access ARIC - as one tends to end up catching the Back Plate in the Tail Cup and one ends up causing burrs on it, or the springs - which then really does not help reliability.

* I drilled a 1/4" hole in the BG Defense rail setup so I can push the tail cup forward with a cleaning rod -- AFTER I found out that I was buggering the springs and end plate up on the Tail Cup by separating the pins and taking it apart that way. - Live and Learn

Last March we incorporated a Sealant/Anti-Tamper on the Gas Key Screws - as we had a few broken ones that the users (or their armorers) admitted they had tried to check torque but used the Stock M4 Gas Key Screw Value - and broke the heads off.
-- We also have seen broken screws (pre Sealant/Anti-Tamper) on some Very Short Barrel guns (4-6" 5.56mm) which we had never tested as I wasn't really aware they where a thing.
If you ever have someone you hate - go have them do a 20k round endurance test on a 5" 5.56mm gun, having done one - it is something I won't every do again - they can be fun in small doses, but mag after mag the concussion gets to you even with plugs under Peltors.

As a result of that we have a new Gas Key Design that will go back to the TDP Gas Key Screws, on a shortened TDP type Gas Key (we cannot use the TDP Gas Key as we have a longer stroke than the TDP Carrier - and the Finger of the Tail Cup would get impacted by it). We have started testing on that - and when we get a few units over 20k rounds on them, and it is deemed good to go, we will make a Gen 2 ARIC - time frame of that I honestly don't know.

My BIG question is when will Law Tactical release spare parts for it or will I have to warranty the springs, rods, rear plate, etc, whenever they wear out and or fail???

Argent · Aug 20, 2024

@Kevin-LawTactical Which ARIC version should be used on a 12.5" barrel with a .078 (Suppressor Optimized) gas port?

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