Rem 513t vs Win 52

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benwitt11

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I'm looking at purchasing my first, (and likely for a while my only,) aperture sighted classic target .22.

I've been looking at a 513t, a Win 75t, and a Win 52 locally. The 75t has a Lyman rear sight with a front post. The 513t is a US Property marked one, and wears proper Redfield Olympic sights front and rear. The 52 also has Redfields, I am unsure of the specific model of the firearm though. After research I'll be heading back to the store today to look at the 52 more closely.

I think it's really down to the 513t or the 52. The 513 is in excellent condition, with minimal external wear. The sights have solid feeling clicks, and it seems to be in good shape overall. Price is around $500, which seems to be the norm. The 52 is also in very good condition, and is priced at $850, which seems a little high.

So question would be, what would be the smarted way to go? I am an average shooter with little experience with these types of rifles. I can only afford one of them, and the 52 is a bit out of my price range really. That said, if it's really a much better gun that would hold it's value better and shoot more accurately I would rather save and purchase the right gun once.

I am also wondering about thoughts on return policies or asking about test firing. The guns are being offered at a big box store with no range. Is accuracy something I need to be worried about when purchasing guns of this age and type? Is it unreasonable to ask about return policies if the guns turn out to be lemons? I would hate to purchase either one of these only to find out they are a pretty mantle piece.

Thank you in advance for your advice, I greatly appreciate the knowledge and experience of members on this site.
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

I have never owned or even shot a 52 but have owned/shot a 513T. Didn't own it long because it just didn't do anything for me especially when compared to my 40-X's.

I am sure there are a few 513's that will shoot with or outshoot a 52 but overall there is no comparison IMO between the 2. They weren't built to be equals to the 52 but moreso Remington's market share in the Win 75 market.

Don't know if your looking at an A,B,C,D or E model 52 but if in descent shape with sites the $850 is more than reasonable, especially if a C or D and a steal if an E. Guarantee you in the future you will find a 513T in descent shape for $500 alot easier than you will find a descent 52 for $850!!!!

Just my uneducated .02 cents worth though.

Respectfully,
Dennis
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: benwitt11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's really down to the 513t or the 52. The 513 is in excellent condition, with minimal external wear. The sights have solid feeling clicks, and it seems to be in good shape overall. Price is around $500, which seems to be the norm. The 52 is also in very good condition, and is priced at $850, which seems a little high. </div></div>

It's hard to say without knowing the model and condition of the 52, but it's probably worth the price difference for the Micro Motion trigger alone.
The 513's are good rifles, but they aren't in the same class as a nice 52.
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

Given the choice I'd snatch the 52 or the 75. Higher resale value and the trigger (depending on year/model) can be adjusted. The 513's are very difficult to adjust the trigger on and they have a single action screw which doesn't aid in accuracy. Most folks add a 2nd action screw but it being a U.S. marked I'd have a hard time justifying that mod. Then again I collect U.S. mil weapons TIFWIW.

Cheers,

Doc
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

Thank you for the replies.

I'll take a harder look at the 75's they have. They have two of them, one at $500 with two mags, and on e at $550 with one mag, better condition, and a correct looking sling.

Quick thoughts on the Redfield vs Lymans? Both 75's have Lymans, which I take it to be of a lesser quality than the Redfields. I know the globe front sights are not expensive and easy to change, so the post front is not all that big of an issue.
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

Well I came home with the 75t, the one in better condition. The bluing is in really nice shape, with some wear on the bolt knob. The stock is in nice shape save for some minor wear as one would expect. Someone at some time put some small sized pieces of grip take obviously used as hand position guides.

I have a bunch of different types of bullets lined up for to see what it likes, and I can't wait to get it out to the range.

This will be a big step up for me in the rimfire department. I can't wait to shoot it. I have a feeling my 10/22 will not be getting used much any more!

I should say, the Win 52 was in rough shape. It was a pre Speedlock 1928 model in at best 75% condition. It would have needed to be reblued and the stock was pretty well worn to boot. It made the 75t I bought look really really good.

Thanks again for the advice. I'll put up some photos and targets once I get out with it.
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

Dont get into the Lyman -vs- Redfield thing. Especially if you are just getting started. The Lymans will serve you well. They zero and repeat as well as the redfields will for you and your purposes.
The Win 75 is a good choice and will give you much enjoyment. I have owned them and they can be good through fantastic shooters. If its in good shape you did well.
I am a Win 52 fanatic. A '28 pre speedlock in 75 % condition is a dog to shoot, but fun to have sitting in the stable. If its about shooting, a good condition Win 75 is the better choice for you.

Best of luck and Enjoy your new purchase!
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

The Lyman does seem to be plenty nice for my uses. It's tight, and has little play between clicks. The clicks are tactile and audible, and they feel consistent through the range of motion. I've ordered a front Lyman site to match the back, a 17 to be precise. It should be a nice compliment to the rear.

I've cleaned up the trigger assembly, which is really simple to the point of almost being crude. It breaks clean, but is a bit heavy, and has a fair amount of over travel. I've lowered the spring tension a bit, and that seems to help while stile being bump test safe. I'll be taking it to a gunsmith I trust to see if it can be cleaned up a bit. Ammo is ready and waiting, and the weather should be cooperative to get it out in the next few days here.

With it being generally accepted these days that free floating most of the barrel is beneficial towards accuracy, anyone have any thoughts on bedding the action and a portion of the barrel along with free floating most of it? The action currently uses just one action screw, and the barrel has an adjustable tension band close to the end of the stock. I do plan on shooting the gun and playing around with the tension screw to dial groups, just wondering about future plans and refinements.
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: benwitt11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Lyman does seem to be plenty nice for my uses. It's tight, and has little play between clicks. The clicks are tactile and audible, and they feel consistent through the range of motion. I've ordered a front Lyman site to match the back, a 17 to be precise. It should be a nice compliment to the rear.

I've cleaned up the trigger assembly, which is really simple to the point of almost being crude. It breaks clean, but is a bit heavy, and has a fair amount of over travel. I've lowered the spring tension a bit, and that seems to help while stile being bump test safe. I'll be taking it to a gunsmith I trust to see if it can be cleaned up a bit. Ammo is ready and waiting, and the weather should be cooperative to get it out in the next few days here.

With it being generally accepted these days that free floating most of the barrel is beneficial towards accuracy, anyone have any thoughts on bedding the action and a portion of the barrel along with free floating most of it? The action currently uses just one action screw, and the barrel has an adjustable tension band close to the end of the stock. I do plan on shooting the gun and playing around with the tension screw to dial groups, just wondering about future plans and refinements. </div></div>

IMHO just shoot it friend!
I have shot heavily modified Win 75's and they were not that much better than my factory ones. They are just good shooters as is, but you will probably find that out soon enough. Unless you are doing all the work yourself, you will end up putting out a pretty good penny in mods and it probably wont gain that much in accuracy AND you will have spent around the same ammount as a decent condition Win 52. But you will have depreciated the value of your 75 and you will not have the appreciation value of the 52. Just Shoot That Puppy :) 75's are nice to own.
 
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Re: Rem 513t vs Win 52

Thanks for the advice. Plan is to get out tomorrow if the weather holds.

I'll put up some photos and group shots once I have a chance to get out.

Have a great weekend.
 
#11
I’d buy the 513 then save up again for the 52 .my 513t shoots great .I like 513 s though,Mechanically and design wise the 52 is a better design the way the reciever and trigger mech. Is designed on the 513 makes it pretty much incapable of custom triggers or any modifications ,unless of course you replaced the reciever with a tube of steel and designed it for a trigger commercially available but if you know much about guns that would be a lot of designing and $ AND when you were done of course it wouldn’t be a REM. 513 anymore but…it might look like one and might even shoot really good.
 
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