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Noob question LR vs ELR rifle

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Hi all,
I am new to the long range precision shooting world. In fact I haven't even received my first bolt action rifle yet. (I ordered a MPA Matrix 6.5 CM rifle) If eventually I intend to also get into ELR should I just switch the caliber of my order to .338 or something like that if they'll still let me? And use it for both LR and ELR? Or is it better to have different rifles for each one?
 
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True ELR starts at 1500 Yards.
6.5CM isn't really capable of making hit's reliably at those distances. That being said you aren't going to make it through this with just one rifle. it's also a good idea to sort out your fundamentals at a lot shorter distances. I'd keep the 6.5 CM for learning and shooting shorter distances. If you are gonna shoot 2 mile style matches you will want a 375CT or bigger
 
That's like trying to learn to drive in an F1.

Get a boosted Camaro first.
for what it’s worth though, 338 LM was my first “ELR” weapon system. It was my first true stepping stone into the world of long range precision. I had very limited reloading knowledge before this too. My shooting activities before this just consisted of pinging steel at 1-200 yards with AR’s.

My advice to OP is this - abso-fucken-lutely hell yes you should do a 338 LM. Some things I’d make you aware of though: the investment doesn’t stop - ever - at just the rifle and scope. You’ll need, ballistics solution solver, rangefinder + tripod, chronograph, hand loading supplies including: press, dies (you want good dies), powder measure, collet style bullet puller, a decent pair of calipers, brass tumbler, brass trimmer, bullets, brass, powder, primers, etc. there’s a lot of other smaller reloading tools you’ll want too.

There’s a video on YouTube of this guy banana ballistics who tells you not to get a 338 lm because it’s like sending a $6 latte down range every trigger pull. Don’t listen. He’s likely a chill bro, but his message misses the mark. I can buy reloading supplies as follows:

1x fired Lapua brass: $1.70-1.90 per (gunbroker)
1,000 primers: $0.20 per for a GM215
Bullets usually $100 for 100
Powder: $0.73 ish per cartridge.

Now excluding brass cost you’re looking at under or around $2.00 per shot. Which honestly isn’t bad and I typically am not putting more than 30 rounds on the barrel in a single day. So dont let anyone tell you that this cartridge is “expensive” because trust me, my alternative is shooting triple digits as a guest at the country club for easily triple the cost.

Snipers Hide has been a great resource for me to ask questions too about hand loading. The guys in the 338 LM reloading thread are class acts and will help you get situated with your loads and once worked out these things are dead ass accurate, and they pack quite a punch.

However… realistically the cartridge is not that strong of an ELR rifle. I’m reluctant to shoot the 338 LM beyond 2,200 yds as it falls off pretty quickly there after. Thus it won’t serve you well as an ELR competition gun since they’ll have stages where you’re shooting 2,500 plus. 338XC is the minimum I’d recommend for that but 375 ct is what’s winning there. But for 1 mile, hell yah you want the 338


And to answer your other question, no. You will NOT want to shoot 338 LM for a PRS style match. lol. Not only would that be a poor choice of rifle and they probably wouldn’t like you punching holes in all their steel, but you can’t just switch the barrel from 6.5cm to 338lm. They require different actions and bolts. The AXMC can do both, but that’s a considerable step up in investment over the MPA.
 
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Hi all,
I am new to the long range precision shooting world. In fact I haven't even received my first bolt action rifle yet. (I ordered a MPA Matrix 6.5 CM rifle) If eventually I intend to also get into ELR should I just switch the caliber of my order to .338 or something like that if they'll still let me? And use it for both LR and ELR? Or is it better to have different rifles for each one?
A true ELR rifle like the reasonably priced Savage premier elite that comes 338LM but it is important to realize it weighs in around 23 pounds with no accessories or a loaded magazine. So it is a relatively specialized rifle. I have one and love it. But I think I would look for something a little easier to manage for shorter distances especially if you plan to go hunting with it.
 
What CEO said, but I had a $1000 stock Bergara 7 PRC that was good to a mile. I'm expecting the new one with PVA barrel and CdG action to really tighten the group and be good to 2000 yds. With a good brake the recoil is negligible, and factory ammo under $2.00.

But yeah, if you want to go total ELR its a commitment to a 375 or more. Main thing is have fun.
 
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Right I drove 4 days to Wyoming for the Nightforce and 4 days return didn't get many hits but I am new at this. Met a lot of great people and had FUN
You drove all the way from Poughkeepsie? Thats dedication. How's the area faring. I lived in the New Paltz area in the early 70's, worked at Teddys Frosted Foods in Highland for a while. What a zoo.
 
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I am in one of the better areas in the town of Poughkeepsie Spakenkill School District if you know that area. That district is one of the better in the state. a selling point for houses. Since I am helping my Daughter raise her two children the district is important. If I could move to Wyoming I would leave in a heart beat.
 
True ELR starts at 1500 Yards.
6.5CM isn't really capable of making hit's reliably at those distances. That being said you aren't going to make it through this with just one rifle. it's also a good idea to sort out your fundamentals at a lot shorter distances. I'd keep the 6.5 CM for learning and shooting shorter distances. If you are gonna shoot 2 mile style matches you will want a 375CT or bigger
6.5CM is very capable of making impacts at ELR distances. Just depends on the equipment, ammo, and shooter.

Is it the best choice? Absolutely not, but it can do it.
 
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There are probably a lot of people that don' relish carrying around or towing a 39 pound rifle. The next thingwe will ddo is figure out how to mount a small crane on the cart we tow with. Maybe we should just go for 105mm howitzers although they would not be easy to tow. An M1 tank anyone. I will probably stick to my Lapua although I am tempted to see how far a 375 H&H can hit for when I get too old.
 
6.5CM is very capable of making impacts at ELR distances. Just depends on the equipment, ammo, and shooter.

The NF ELR match is a unique bird, but even there, the 6.5 creed is grossly outclassed.

At conventional ELR matches, the 6.5 creed isn’t even remotely a factor. We shot Spearpoint yesterday in 24-26mph winds out to 2911, and the big rounds we’re shooting eat 100grn more powder and hold above sub-sonic speeds for 1,000yrds further than does 6.5 creed… flinging 140-150grn bullets over 40grn of powder yesterday would have been pissing in the wind compared to the rest of the field of shooters. It’s just the wrong tool for the task.
 
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