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ELR with a 375 H&H
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This might help give an idea for loads.
Velocities are a little low but it could be fun.
Velocities are a little low but it could be fun.
As someone who is very experienced with the 375hnh, it'll take a helluva long barrel plus if you can get enough powder in the case.
Fruitless; well I don't know It certainly don't have the power of the new 375 CT I haven't compared it to the 338 LM but I am sure it is near as powerful. I bought 25 of the new 390 Hornadry with the aluminum tip BTSpitzer they look so pretty I am not sure I have the motivation to shoot them I could just leave them on the shelf with my cartridge collection and use something else. But I like to experiment. I already own the gun, it is my favorite hunting rifle. In the odd chance it worked it is a lot lighter that the Savage.
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The 338 Lap will have more energy and better ballistics. It's possibly but it's not going to be better than the lap that's for sure.
Don't get me wrong I like my lap and will continue using it in any case but I will be 80 at the end of the month and I can't carry a 23 pound rifle for ever. My 375 is a hunting rifle I take it every year I figure if the 375 works out in ELR space and I have to I can use that sometimes.
(Setting aside issues for throat and seating depth, cartridge length, etc for a moment...).
I'm not certain you're realizing the scale of some of these cartridges, even the 338LM is considerably more powerful than the 375 H&H case. The 375 H&H has 95grn case capacity, and it's going to eat ~70grn of powder to get a 390grn bullet up around 2200fps. The 338 Lapua has a case capacity of 116grn H2O and will eat around 90grn of powder to get a 300 up to 2800fps - sure, the Hornady 390 has a .497G7, but the 300 Hybrid has a .421G7, and starting out that much faster... The 375 H&H is going to be dropping 38mils by 2000yrds, while the 338Lapua will only be 24.6. Hell, the 375 H&H won't even hold that 390 A-tip super-sonic as far as a 6 creedmoor, and the H&H is dropping ~10mils more at 2000 - the only advantage the 390 would have over a 105 Hybrid there would be the ~1mil less wind drift in a 10mph full value...
The Cheytac is a completely different animal. The 375 Cheytac has something like 159grn H2O case capacity and eats around 140grn of powder, twice as much as the relatively diminutive H&H case, to push 400grn bullets up to 3050fps, and is only dropping 16mils, less than half as much drop, as the H&H at 2,000, only 16 mils...
So if all of the potential mechanical/physical issues are solved, really, the 375 H&H with a 390 A-tip will basically be a really high recoiling long range cartridge - not extreme long range cartridge.
That is the ultimate goal. At eighty it is getting a little hard to carry the Savage so one of these years I will have to down scale the weight. Thanks for the input.
I'm only half way there, but I'm sure at 80yrs old, I'd much rather carry a 25lb rifle with moderate recoil than get the shit beat out of me by a 9lb 338LM!!!
i get the shit beat out of me with my 375 now and it is my main hunting rifle. Sometimes when I feel really masochistic I take the 458. But seriously, we have come a long way with muzzle brakes , that I hope we can get there before I have to give up the Lapua
Yeah, I haven’t met a 375 H&H which didn’t kick the shit out of the shooter too… always light, Sporter rifles compared to an ELR rifle.
My 10 year old has shot my 375 Cheytac - but it weighs 39.8lbs. Way, way more horsepower than the H&H case, but the brake and the weight take it down. I’d find a little wagon so you can move a heavy rifle easier, and stick with something more fruitful than the 375 H&H for ELR.
Hell, just having a 300 PRC barrel made for that H&H would be more fruitful
My 10 year old has shot my 375 Cheytac - but it weighs 39.8lbs. Way, way more horsepower than the H&H case, but the brake and the weight take it down. I’d find a little wagon so you can move a heavy rifle easier, and stick with something more fruitful than the 375 H&H for ELR.
Hell, just having a 300 PRC barrel made for that H&H would be more fruitful
I was at the 24 NightForce ELR and I had a little cart for the 338 LM rifle ad some miscellaneous that was heavy and didn't want to carry. it didn't work out so well so I am back at the drawing board looking for alternatives for next year.
If it were me I’d get a used 3 wheeled stroller and cut all the fabric garbage off and build some shelves/ brackets to hold all my gear and ammo. Should be pretty capable, I used to do this for sporting clays.
I see lots of those or baby strollers that get repurposed for packing guns and gear at all kinds of matches. I'll admit I'm about to do the same
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