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JP JPRFX 22 rifle
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JPRFX™ Rifle in .22 LR (SCR-11™/SCI-20™) - | Billet Side Charge
Base Price: $2899
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JPRFX™ Rifle in .22 LR (CTR-02™) - | Billet Top Charge
Base Price: $2699
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"If you have to ask, you can't afford one." Well, out of my price range.
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JPRFX™ Rifle in .22 LR (CTR-02™) - | Billet Top Charge
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"If you have to ask, you can't afford one." Well, out of my price range.
Probably nothing, but it could be a lot of fun! Unfortunately this “well regulated “ cesspool makes getting one impossible.Cheaper than my Vudoo, a little more than my KIDD...the question is what would this do that those do not?
I would be really surprised if a Kidd Supergrade could not beat this but based on reputation I would believe the JP could make a good showing in the match.
That is what I would like to see...a head-to-head between this and a KIDD!
I think "Pursuit of Accuracy" did a similar video or two with a Kidd Supergrade. He always uses good ammo and gives it a fair shot.
Holy crap that is cool. Love the side charging option. I’m curious to see if these will cut at all into the Kidd sales.
Hard to think any semiauto will outshoot a Kidd supergrade.
I like the mags on my AR22 upper better than my 10/22’s for not scraping the bullets. Need to try some Kriss AR22 magazines like JP recommended.
Hard to think any semiauto will outshoot a Kidd supergrade.
I like the mags on my AR22 upper better than my 10/22’s for not scraping the bullets. Need to try some Kriss AR22 magazines like JP recommended.
John Paul aka JP shot his the last two seasons at our club matches and it was impressive, with that said I haven’t seen it go up against a Kidd
Time to revive this thread. Picked mine up yesterday. JP mentioned doing this a few years back. I called every six months or so to check on it. Every time they said nope , no plans for that. I was going to build it on the website but went with a dealer who had one in stock. PRS lite in back, side charger, 15.5 in forearm with ARCA rail, compensator on the barrel. Some sort of trigger upgrade. Advertised at 3.5 to 4lbs. I haven't checked it yet. I tried a Calvin Elite in it but it didn't want to engage the safety. Trigger is fine, I'm just not used to that heavy. Put a Ziess S3 4-25 on it. It weights in at 12 lbs. Shipped with the M&P mag. LOP with the PRS lite is 13.75. I need some kind of AR style mount to get the scope up and away from by face, and add some MOA. Balance isn't great- got a weighted rail coming.
Range report. Got it out to the range today regardless of the 11gust 23 winds, average 17. MY Garmin Chrono kept generating a shot with an MV between 200-400FPS- I guess due to the wind.
Started of with SK plus - SD 25 mv 988 ( shoots 1080 out of my bolt guns). SK Rifle match SD 28.6 MV 981, Eley target- SD 13.1 MV 1048
( shoots SD 6 MV 1080 out of my Duece).
Moved to the recommended Eley benchrest Outlaw and benchrest. Outlaw SD 17, MV 1067 over 40 rounds. Tried 6 lots of Benchrest- best was SD 6.5 MV 1070 over 40 rounds. (the other lots shot SD's of 9.9, 7.6,10.4,12.3,9.6. and the groups were not as good)
Shot 5 , 5 shot groups into that wind at 50 yds . . Results for the best lot were .326", .360",.377",.638", 1.14". Went home and ordered a bunch of that. So magazine wise- The M&P is horrible to insert but always locks back. The Kriss inserts really quickly and seem to lock back intermittently ( need to check more). I bought some 10 and 15 rounders of those. Big mistake. It's the same form factor one holds 15 one holds ten.
Zero malfunctions through several hundred rounds.
I'll give you that Kidd supergrade comparison after I shoot it against my buddy's in 2 weeks. Wait, he could beat me with a Cricket. I'm always jumping on the next thing. Showed up with one of the first Vudoos years ago, they said you spent what on a .22? Have a RimX and a Duece. I think this is going to be a good addition to the fleet.
Range report. Got it out to the range today regardless of the 11gust 23 winds, average 17. MY Garmin Chrono kept generating a shot with an MV between 200-400FPS- I guess due to the wind.
Started of with SK plus - SD 25 mv 988 ( shoots 1080 out of my bolt guns). SK Rifle match SD 28.6 MV 981, Eley target- SD 13.1 MV 1048
( shoots SD 6 MV 1080 out of my Duece).
Moved to the recommended Eley benchrest Outlaw and benchrest. Outlaw SD 17, MV 1067 over 40 rounds. Tried 6 lots of Benchrest- best was SD 6.5 MV 1070 over 40 rounds. (the other lots shot SD's of 9.9, 7.6,10.4,12.3,9.6. and the groups were not as good)
Shot 5 , 5 shot groups into that wind at 50 yds . . Results for the best lot were .326", .360",.377",.638", 1.14". Went home and ordered a bunch of that. So magazine wise- The M&P is horrible to insert but always locks back. The Kriss inserts really quickly and seem to lock back intermittently ( need to check more). I bought some 10 and 15 rounders of those. Big mistake. It's the same form factor one holds 15 one holds ten.
Zero malfunctions through several hundred rounds.
I'll give you that Kidd supergrade comparison after I shoot it against my buddy's in 2 weeks. Wait, he could beat me with a Cricket. I'm always jumping on the next thing. Showed up with one of the first Vudoos years ago, they said you spent what on a .22? Have a RimX and a Duece. I think this is going to be a good addition to the fleet.
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JP makes some very nice stuff. Their uppers, lowers, and handguards are machined perfectly and just have a feel of quality...perfection. I love AR22s but I'm not sure I have $2,600 wrapped up in all of them that I have. I have an earlier JP bolt/barrel assembled. I have several uppers/barrels that utilize the Ciener style bolt too. There's much discussion about what makes and AR22 upper accurate. Or any 22 or centerfire for that matter. The secrete sauce that sets this one apart from all others is in the barrel and chamber. I can't think of anything else that can be done to the JPRFX 22 that would make it more accurate. The cartridge delivery to the chamber (bolt and magazine), a good trigger, good barrel, and good ammunition. The platform as a whole is geared toward PRS or NRL shooting. Can you determine anything else on the rifle that contributes to it's accuracy performance?
Thanks for the insight. Obviously with .22's the whole game is the barrel ,ammo lot lottery.This 14 twist with that Semi auto ammo is a great combo. It’s interesting because the box says 1070 ish fps on it, and thats what it shoots. I should run it in a bolt gun and check it. All my other ammo says 1080 and shot 980. I think how it presents the round is key- like you said. I did notice several strings where the first round was 30fps faster. Im going to investigate that. Probably related to releasing the bolt.
@usafa77 did you and your buddy get a chance to compare the Kidd Supergrade to the JP as of yet? I was on the JP rifle builder yesterday and am torn between it and the Supergrade. I don’t know if the price differential is worth the performance gains of going with the JP. Would love to hear your feedback if you’ve had a chance to put any additional rounds down range. Thanks!
He refuses to test and use good ammo so comparing accuracy doesnt really work.he still has Ruger magazine related malfunctions from time to time. So far the JP has been 100% reliable
The old version was massively sensitive to ammo for accuracy (reliability was 100%). I've probably tested a couple hundred lots across various brands in my old one, and found maybe 2 that shot really well, the others on average are 3-4" at 100. It's far and away the most ammo picky gun I've ever owned, it's not even close. One lot of Tac 22, and one Lot of SK LR I've found shot really well out of it to 100, somewhere in the 1-1.5 MOA range, but everything else dozens of tests over the last few years, 3-4" is common at 100 or worse, it just throws huge flyers, even at 50yds. JP built this barreled upper as well. To be fair even JP admitted in email it was never designed for accuracy it was designed as an AR trainer. That said, I think anyone buying a $550-$750 rimfire barrel called "Supermatch" likely expects accuracy to exist.
This is a good example target from yesterday at the range. 100yds, 5-10 mph winds L-R, the groups on the left target are CCI STD, SK Pistol, SK Rifle, Wolf, and Eley Match. I often use the JP to shoot up partial boxes, or straggler lot boxes. The three 5rd groups on the right, are one of the "unicorn" lots that it likes, a lot of SK LR, the largest of which is 1.25". I find if frustrating when a gun performs this poorly, so if I take the JP 22 I know to bring a couple boxes of the "unicorn" ammo to at least get some good groups in at the end of the day. I must have been asking for punishment yesterday cause I also took my MCX out, which I doubt could hit a dinner plate at 200yds with any ammo, yet SIG says meets their 3rd 4MOA std......that they evidently test at 25yds.
I've tested probably at least. a dozen lots of SK LR, and the others end up looking like the target on the left. No idea what drives it, my only wild guess is that the gun is ridiculously picky on pressure/velocity to feed without damaging the bullets or bolt bouncing perhaps. If it was bolt bounce though you'd think softer loads would do better. I can't think of any other reason to see that much accuracy variation from lot to lot of the same ammo and it being this hard to find a lot/brand it likes. I see lot to lot variations in my CZ 457 or Volquartsen/10/22s, but it's much much smaller, once and awhile you get a horrible lot, but most lots of the better ammo shoot pretty similar. Also the lot based flyers are usually velocity related so you still get pretty good L/R groups just vertical flyers, but the JP tosses flyers everywhere. It's also not that this "unicorn" lot is just amazing in general cause it's just middle of the pack in my 457 for SK LR lots I've tested. In the past I've thought about trying different recoil spring rates to see if it impacted things, but honestly I just find the gun frustrating to shoot.
The new JP might be amazing, but they'd really have to prove it to me first that it's not crazy ammo picky, and it lives up to the marketing, esp. since it appears to use the same action/bolt setup. That said I do think their fully built rifles seem to delivery better accuracy on average than just buying their barrels and doing an assembly. I've had several supermatch JP barrels built up and while they were all good, none of them were outstanding when compared to offerings like Bartlien/Krieger etc. but they are not far off in price.
This is a good example target from yesterday at the range. 100yds, 5-10 mph winds L-R, the groups on the left target are CCI STD, SK Pistol, SK Rifle, Wolf, and Eley Match. I often use the JP to shoot up partial boxes, or straggler lot boxes. The three 5rd groups on the right, are one of the "unicorn" lots that it likes, a lot of SK LR, the largest of which is 1.25". I find if frustrating when a gun performs this poorly, so if I take the JP 22 I know to bring a couple boxes of the "unicorn" ammo to at least get some good groups in at the end of the day. I must have been asking for punishment yesterday cause I also took my MCX out, which I doubt could hit a dinner plate at 200yds with any ammo, yet SIG says meets their 3rd 4MOA std......that they evidently test at 25yds.
I've tested probably at least. a dozen lots of SK LR, and the others end up looking like the target on the left. No idea what drives it, my only wild guess is that the gun is ridiculously picky on pressure/velocity to feed without damaging the bullets or bolt bouncing perhaps. If it was bolt bounce though you'd think softer loads would do better. I can't think of any other reason to see that much accuracy variation from lot to lot of the same ammo and it being this hard to find a lot/brand it likes. I see lot to lot variations in my CZ 457 or Volquartsen/10/22s, but it's much much smaller, once and awhile you get a horrible lot, but most lots of the better ammo shoot pretty similar. Also the lot based flyers are usually velocity related so you still get pretty good L/R groups just vertical flyers, but the JP tosses flyers everywhere. It's also not that this "unicorn" lot is just amazing in general cause it's just middle of the pack in my 457 for SK LR lots I've tested. In the past I've thought about trying different recoil spring rates to see if it impacted things, but honestly I just find the gun frustrating to shoot.
The new JP might be amazing, but they'd really have to prove it to me first that it's not crazy ammo picky, and it lives up to the marketing, esp. since it appears to use the same action/bolt setup. That said I do think their fully built rifles seem to delivery better accuracy on average than just buying their barrels and doing an assembly. I've had several supermatch JP barrels built up and while they were all good, none of them were outstanding when compared to offerings like Bartlien/Krieger etc. but they are not far off in price.
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Just picked mine up. No range time yet but pretty excited to give it a go.
Shot mine at it's first match yesterday. Got the weighted ARCA rail- not perfectly balanced but close enough. 14 lbs even. Couple things I learning beforehand. After about 130 rounds or so it randomly stops going in battery. The cartridge is sticking out of the chamber about a 16th of an inch. The good news is it would not fire out of battery. But, i would drop the mag, run the bolt , put the mag in and fire. First I thought it might be a mag issue. It wasn't So I do a quick clean- after 100 rounds. That fixed it. The bolt face is really dirty after 100 rounds. Brush the bolt face and chamber, blast of air in the trigger group, and I'm good. Also the side charger is prone to slowing down if not clean. Haven't decided if I will run it wet or dry. It's pretty dusty where I shoot. The only malfunctions in the match were me not knowing how to run a semi auto. Spent what seemed like an eternity figuring out I hadn't charged the rifle one time. Spent time looking for the safety since my finger couldn't seem to find it. Accuracy was good. Missed that small kyl on the NRL stage 2 out of 3- but it was a bit breezy. I didn't miss anything because the gun wasn't accurate enough. I was definitely faster which was my main goal, I'm the guy that always times out. With practice I'll do better overall than with my bolt guns.
I have a "normal" JP22 upper, bought their horribly expensive bolt catch, built a dedicated lower for it, have the Kriss 15rd mags... they only lockback occasionally. Not sure the bolt catch is compatible with Aero M4E1 lower. Got some Wolff tube mag springs, cut to Kriss length, increased the follower spring pressure in the Kriss mags and still they only occasionally lock back. Manually locking the bolt open, the catch barely engages the bolt. However, the old Black Dog & the Kriss mags all run 100%. I'm used to not having the JP22 lock open, but it was a very expensive LRBHO experiment that failed. Anyway, the Kriss mags work as well as Black Dog, no wiggle in the lower like 15-22 mags.
The trick with the 15-22 mags is to run a thicker shim than JP includes, as theirs is a bit sloppy, at least in my lower. That said, I've had no problems running those with bolt hold open with their mag catch and they seem as accurate as the Black Dog I used prior. The one thing I really like about the 15-22 mags is their 10rd is quite a bit shorter and nicer to use on a bench.
JP can't seem to decide on a mag for them. Originally they were only recommending Black Dog, then they were all S&W with shims (perhaps just for LRZBHO) and now they recommending Kriss it seems. Be interesting to see why they shifted to Kriss, if they got better accuracy over the S&W esp. since lockback seems intermittent with the Kriss mags.
Mags matter, one of the less talked about 10/22 accuracy steps is numbering and tracking groups by mags. Even the super reliable factory 10rd ones vary a bit and some will do a nicer job of feeding rounds in cleaner. I've noticed this is especially true for the first round out of the mag where it's hand cycled, some mags struggle with that first round being a flyer more than others.
JP can't seem to decide on a mag for them. Originally they were only recommending Black Dog, then they were all S&W with shims (perhaps just for LRZBHO) and now they recommending Kriss it seems. Be interesting to see why they shifted to Kriss, if they got better accuracy over the S&W esp. since lockback seems intermittent with the Kriss mags.
Mags matter, one of the less talked about 10/22 accuracy steps is numbering and tracking groups by mags. Even the super reliable factory 10rd ones vary a bit and some will do a nicer job of feeding rounds in cleaner. I've noticed this is especially true for the first round out of the mag where it's hand cycled, some mags struggle with that first round being a flyer more than others.
Agreed, mags are a huge deal. Finally divested all 10/22s and RPRR because the mags were always deforming the bullets. I don't use the JP22 past 100y, mostly 50y and for Appleseed, CMP Sporter it works great, accurate & reliable. Because my $500 LRBHO experiment failed, I don't see any functional difference between the Black Dogs and Kriss, am just using them interchangeably now.
Now... $2700 for the fancy JP, personally I'd pay the extra $300 for a Masterpiece/Vudoo ESR Rimfire, they're $3K brand spanking new with whatever barrel length you prefer.
Now... $2700 for the fancy JP, personally I'd pay the extra $300 for a Masterpiece/Vudoo ESR Rimfire, they're $3K brand spanking new with whatever barrel length you prefer.
I have the same expensive JP bolt catch. I can’t recall with mine but did it come with a replacement bolt catch spring? Mine works pretty well but I learned from using the Kriss version of the bolt catch on another CMMG upper that a lighter bolt catch spring is needed for reliable LRBHO. Kriss offers them or you may cut a coil off the mil-spec spring.
Thanks! I'll try modifying the bolt catch spring... at $65 shipped from JP, all I rec'd was the catch itself
How reliable are the JP rimfire firing pins? My Kriss DMK22c firing pin will break every 1000-2000 shots depending on the trigger I use. Thus I'm looking for a more reliable platform..
My standard JP22 has never broken anything... however, it only gets 3000 rds annually, total under 12K. Multiple variables, in addition to the operating system; round count (stress), ammo selection and "depending on the trigger"... I have a Geissele HSNM under the JP22 with DMR springs and its been 100% reliable with S&B Club.
The single most reliable operating system I've tried is the S&W M&P 15-22 with Hiperfire 24ECL trigger running MiniMag 40g or Clean Red... as a rimfire racerifle I put 15K+ thru one of those and it never broke anything; extractor spring got tired around the 12K mark and needed refreshed, but nothing ever broke. AR22s are known for breaking firing pins, its the nature of the Ciener/CMMG style operating system. Our SASP kids who run AR22s all bring spare firing pins to the range and know how to replace them during a match. A simpler OS is the Tippmann M4-22, we have 5 of them in SASP service--some over the 40K mark--and they have not broken any parts, just like 15-22s the extractor springs get tired.
So if reliability was my #1 concern I'd vote for 15-22 or Tippmann. Neither offer the accuracy of JP22 or the ability to drop on an existing AR lower. Cannot shoot 15-22s with a sling for Appleseed or CMP Sporter. Neither of them "feel like a real rifle" compared to a JP22 upper on a good lower. So far, JP22 has not broken any parts and remains more accurate than I can hold at 50y.
The old version was massively sensitive to ammo for accuracy (reliability was 100%). I've probably tested a couple hundred lots across various brands in my old one, and found maybe 2 that shot really well, the others on average are 3-4" at 100. It's far and away the most ammo picky gun I've ever owned, it's not even close. One lot of Tac 22, and one Lot of SK LR I've found shot really well out of it to 100, somewhere in the 1-1.5 MOA range, but everything else dozens of tests over the last few years, 3-4" is common at 100 or worse, it just throws huge flyers, even at 50yds. JP built this barreled upper as well. To be fair even JP admitted in email it was never designed for accuracy it was designed as an AR trainer. That said, I think anyone buying a $550-$750 rimfire barrel called "Supermatch" likely expects accuracy to exist.
This is a good example target from yesterday at the range. 100yds, 5-10 mph winds L-R, the groups on the left target are CCI STD, SK Pistol, SK Rifle, Wolf, and Eley Match. I often use the JP to shoot up partial boxes, or straggler lot boxes. The three 5rd groups on the right, are one of the "unicorn" lots that it likes, a lot of SK LR, the largest of which is 1.25". I find if frustrating when a gun performs this poorly, so if I take the JP 22 I know to bring a couple boxes of the "unicorn" ammo to at least get some good groups in at the end of the day. I must have been asking for punishment yesterday cause I also took my MCX out, which I doubt could hit a dinner plate at 200yds with any ammo, yet SIG says meets their 3rd 4MOA std......that they evidently test at 25yds.
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I've tested probably at least. a dozen lots of SK LR, and the others end up looking like the target on the left. No idea what drives it, my only wild guess is that the gun is ridiculously picky on pressure/velocity to feed without damaging the bullets or bolt bouncing perhaps. If it was bolt bounce though you'd think softer loads would do better. I can't think of any other reason to see that much accuracy variation from lot to lot of the same ammo and it being this hard to find a lot/brand it likes. I see lot to lot variations in my CZ 457 or Volquartsen/10/22s, but it's much much smaller, once and awhile you get a horrible lot, but most lots of the better ammo shoot pretty similar. Also the lot based flyers are usually velocity related so you still get pretty good L/R groups just vertical flyers, but the JP tosses flyers everywhere. It's also not that this "unicorn" lot is just amazing in general cause it's just middle of the pack in my 457 for SK LR lots I've tested. In the past I've thought about trying different recoil spring rates to see if it impacted things, but honestly I just find the gun frustrating to shoot.
The new JP might be amazing, but they'd really have to prove it to me first that it's not crazy ammo picky, and it lives up to the marketing, esp. since it appears to use the same action/bolt setup. That said I do think their fully built rifles seem to delivery better accuracy on average than just buying their barrels and doing an assembly. I've had several supermatch JP barrels built up and while they were all good, none of them were outstanding when compared to offerings like Bartlien/Krieger etc. but they are not far off in price.
I have the 18" barrel + BCG kit they sell in an Aero M4 Enhanced upper. The best ammo I have found is Eley Contact 42gr. It beats all of the higher cost Eley and Lapua ammo in my rifle. It's consistently 1-1.5 MOA at 100 yards. Eley Force 42gr. is also consistent, but slightly larger groups. Some lots of Team/Match perform well, but not as consistently as Contact. Both Contact and Force were more consistent than Semi-Auto Benchrest Outlaw as well.
Still not great compared to even budget bolt guns though. The performance of these this was disappointing.
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