Firearms Hacked

The message I received from you ultimately led to me purchasing a scope. This is going to have to be made right by you.


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The message I received from you ultimately led to me purchasing a scope. This is going to have to be made right by you.


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It sounds like OP didn’t send you any messages. Someone else did. Dunno why OP would be the one to “have to make things right by you”. But I’m not a mod so I’ll stay in my lane and watch from afar.
 
Look ive done many many transactions and the bountyhunter has been a member here from 2003 and had 16 positive transactions. I did exchange messages with the person from the number. I’ve always use friends and family, but it’s been from trusted sources on the forums.
 
In the moment right now I am aggravated and it’s a lot of money to throw away. I would expect the owner of any account to be mindful of what messages and post are going out. Yes, I should’ve asked for photographs with the username and date, but with his account history, my gut feeling said it was okay.
 
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The message I received from you ultimately led to me purchasing a scope. This is going to have to be made right by you.

It's NOT the account owner's fault if you didn't do due diligence and got taken by scammer.
The actual account owner is under NO obligation to do anything for you if you got taken by a scammer.

Did you personally know the account holder before hand and had done actual transactions with them before and knew a previous good number / previous good payment address etc?

Did you do a video chat with "the seller" before sending the money?
Did you do a phone call with "the seller" before sending the money?

If not, tough on you and you aren't going to get any help by trying to bully some other innocent victim who got their account hacked into paying you money.
If you haven't been paying attention here, there are lots of scammers all over trying to hijack the PX
You can try all you like, nobody is going to agree with you.

What I might suggest is that you promptly go start following up with PayPal and with your banking and financial institution and start trying to track down where the funds went to and if there is a way to recover them and get any further information on where they went.

Most of the time there is a mule involved and you might be able to get the money frozen at the mule account if you act quick enough.

If you want to have any chance at getting your money back, I'd start hitting the phones hard with PayPal and with your financial institution and see what can be done.
 
From the outside looking in I would be laughing as well.
I hope other users read this and realize how many things lined up with this particular users account history.
I would normally expect this sort of thing from a brand new account.

This guy definitely knew the game. I am slowly realizing I'm the one a fault here.
I know if it was my account that I would be getting backlash from the user, I know that for sure.
 
It's NOT the account owner's fault if you didn't do due diligence and got taken by scammer.
The actual account owner is under NO obligation to do anything for you if you got taken by a scammer.

Did you personally know the account holder before hand and had done actual transactions with them before and knew a previous good number / previous good payment address etc?

Did you do a video chat with "the seller" before sending the money?
Did you do a phone call with "the seller" before sending the money?

If not, tough on you and you aren't going to get any help by trying to bully some other innocent victim who got their account hacked into paying you money.
If you haven't been paying attention here, there are lots of scammers all over trying to hijack the PX
You can try all you like, nobody is going to agree with you.

What I might suggest is that you promptly go start following up with PayPal and with your banking and financial institution and start trying to track down where the funds went to and if there is a way to recover them and get any further information on where they went.

Most of the time there is a mule involved and you might be able to get the money frozen at the mule account if you act quick enough.

If you want to have any chance at getting your money back, I'd start hitting the phones hard with PayPal and with your financial institution and see what can be done.
I read his posts and thought he was joking. Apparently not. :(
 
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A quick Google search of the first sentences and I found this on rokslide from 2021
 
From the outside looking in I would be laughing as well.
I hope other users read this and realize how many things lined up with this particular users account history.
I would normally expect this sort of thing from a brand new account.

This guy definitely knew the game. I am slowly realizing I'm the one a fault here.
I know if it was my account that I would be getting backlash from the user, I know that for sure.
I feel bad for you, but it wasn't/isn't the OP's fault.

Hope you have success in being made whole again. Best of luck. :)
 

A quick Google search of the first sentences and I found this on rokslide from 2021
I know it could of been a resell but I understand. Frustrated at myself as I’ve never had any issues with long term members. Over my 10 years of buying/selling Ive never been scammed. Guess I was due
 
Ok what is 2FA,?

I have a 540 number and live in Wilmington NC so if it is anything else, not me. 71 years old and not moving until carried by 12.
“Two-Factor Authentication”

Methods vary, but some sites send you a text message with a code to complete the login process. This site uses a third-party Authentication Phone App (Authy) to provide the unique code.

MUCH more difficult to hack accounts with 2FA. Not impossible, but stops over 95% of attempts that are otherwise successful without using 2FA.
 
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“Two-Factor Authentication”

Methods vary, but some sites send you a text message with a code to complete the login process. This site uses a third-party Authentication Phone App (Authy) to provide the unique code.

MUCH more difficult to hack accounts with 2FA. Not impossible, but stops over 95% of attempts that are otherwise successful without using 2FA.
How do i sign up for it
 
How do i sign up for it

Assuming you have an android phone, make sure you have google authenticator installed & make sure everything is logged in and synced up to your Google account (if you are of the apple religion, someone else can help you with the instructions)

Then on SH go into your account settings, choose security and passwords and at the very top there is a thing to enable 2FA or 2 factor authentication.
 
Make really sure to write down the backup code (a long string of numbers of multiple digits in groups) and keep that somewhere safe like your gun safe, in case you ever need to get back into SH if your phone or account with the authenticator app gets lost.
 
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I know it could of been a resell but I understand. Frustrated at myself as I’ve never had any issues with long term members. Over my 10 years of buying/selling Ive never been scammed. Guess I was due

There are rules for WTB or similar. I feel bad for you bro but you need to make sure you’re covered before sending money online. One way to counter scammers is always pay with G&S or mention that you only pay with G&S.
 
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Also just you know stating the obvious.

Everyone should really insist, both buyers and sellers on doing a quick video chat before payment is sent and verify payment details during that chat.
If somebody gives you trouble about that, just walk away.

At this stage in the game it's not economically feasible for crooks to spend the money to do a real time deepfake video chat and even if they could, if you insist on high quality video only and plenty of movement and showing things, and backgrounds and such, current AI stuff won't keep up.
 
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There are rules for WTB or similar. I feel bad for you bro but you need to make sure you’re covered before sending money online. One way to counter scammers is always pay with G&S or mention that you only pay with G&S.

If you are dealing with professional scammers,
Good lot that will do you if PP decides they don't like what you bought, all that means is your account gets locked up hard, the mules' account gets locked up and well tough for you. PayPal decides a Rifle scope is a "gun part" and... enjoy...

Again, just do a video chat and make sure.

As a seller I'd never accept PP G&S due to essentially every transaction here mostly being against PP's stated T&C, and the fact that I have little faith in "buyers" but at the same time I'd be demanding a video chat with the buyer before they sent me money unless I knew them well & they knew me well.
 
I know it could of been a resell but I understand. Frustrated at myself as I’ve never had any issues with long term members. Over my 10 years of buying/selling Ive never been scammed. Guess I was due

How long ago did you send the payment?
It takes a couple days for transactions to actually settle from you to the recipient with the financial institutions and from a mule to get to their handlers.
If you funded it with a credit card, call both your credit card first and then Paypal
If you funded it with a bank account, call both your bank first and then Paypal
If you funded it with your PP balance, then ouch... that's harder, but still get on the phone with PayPal
 
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How long ago did you send the payment?
It takes a couple days for transactions to actually settle from you to the recipient with the financial institutions and from a mule to get to their handlers.
If you funded it with a credit card, call both your credit card first and then Paypal
If you funded it with a bank account, call both your bank first and then Paypal
If you funded it with your PP balance, then ouch... that's harder, but still get on the phone with PayPal
Its long gone, sent money middle of last week. The money was sent from my bank account not a card.
 
Its long gone, sent money middle of last week. The money was sent from my bank account not a card.

Call your bank, tell them you got scammed by a fraudster who had you pay for things with PayPal
See if the bank can do anything, or at the very least force PayPal to cough up details on the account it went to.

After talking to the bank, talk to PayPal, they might be at least able to find the account.

Then at least you have some information if you want to hand it off to the Police and see if they are interested.
Often local police are interested in shutting down mules in their area.
 
It’s the “sellers” fault he got hacked and didn’t use 2FA. Everyone needs to protect others by protecting themselves.
So you think that others are responsible for your protection? The government has a job for you, you’ll fit right in.

I’ll bet you thought that it was everyone else’s responsibility to wear a mask and get the shots during Covid in order to protect you also.
 
Definitely not. I also don't expect anyone else to be responsible for me.
when someone opens the back door for hackers by using the same pw for everything and then not using 2fa, they are part of the problem. The reason there are stats and feedback is so buyers can vet sellers. Once an account is hacked then all of that is worthless.
 
So you think that others are responsible for your protection? The government has a job for you, you’ll fit right in.

I’ll bet you thought that it was everyone else’s responsibility to wear a mask and get the shots during Covid in order to protect you also.
I KNOW that if he had 2fa he wouldn’t have been hacked. No covid shots but my kids did get polio vaccines to help herd immunity. Same concept.
 
when someone opens the back door for hackers by using the same pw for everything and then not using 2fa, they are part of the problem. The reason there are stats and feedback is so buyers can vet sellers. Once an account is hacked then all of that is worthless.
You sure are making a lot of assumptions in your accusations.
 
One more step. It’s a small addition to add a ton of security. If you’re too stupid to realize that then there’s no explaining it to you.
Nope. You’re the one that just said it was foolproof. I quite realize the value of 2fa.

You are blaming the OP and say he’s responsible for dealings that a nfg third party had with an adult on this forum. If that doesn’t sound like bullshit to you, then you’re too stupid for me to explain further.
 
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when someone opens the back door for hackers by using the same pw for everything and then not using 2fa, they are part of the problem. The reason there are stats and feedback is so buyers can vet sellers. Once an account is hacked then all of that is worthless.

Man do you have a point here. Regarding feedback, account history, etc. bounty hunter definitely has skin in the game.
Disregarding my prior comments earlier today, I do not expect anything from him. But its both disappointing and unfortunate he didn’t have control over his account. Account(s) for that matter re: rockslide......

Whats done is done but people need to be aware and take more precautions.
 
If you are dealing with professional scammers,
Good lot that will do you if PP decides they don't like what you bought, all that means is your account gets locked up hard, the mules' account gets locked up and well tough for you. PayPal decides a Rifle scope is a "gun part" and... enjoy...

Again, just do a video chat and make sure.

As a seller I'd never accept PP G&S due to essentially every transaction here mostly being against PP's stated T&C, and the fact that I have little faith in "buyers" but at the same time I'd be demanding a video chat with the buyer before they sent me money unless I knew them well & they knew me well.


PP locked up over $25k in our account a few years back for selling scopes a few years ago claiming they were firearm parts or some nonsense and violated their terms. They wanted to hold that money for 180 days while they investigated, we had to get a lawyer involved. It was a huge mess :mad:

We see other vendors being allowed to use their services on their website like we did, for whatever reason their terms are not applied consistently.
 
We see other vendors being allowed to use their services on their website like we did, for whatever reason their terms are not applied consistently.

Paypal is a Techbro company that thinks they are above the law and can just do anything they want because "we are the gods" much like FB or Twitter or Google and such.

They want to be in the "banking" world but not follow any of the laws or have any real policies or real customer service or such.
 
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The ORIGINAL POSTER is not responsible for the hack and threatening people because you were ripped off is grounds for removal because you are acting as a child vs taking responsibilities for your actions

We tell you to vet everything, we tell you the scammers watch this site and will reach out to immediately vs a working class member who is here before and after work, so if you say, I'll Take it, and 1 minute later you get a message, you were being scammed.

We wrote this, we warned this on top of the site with banners, we scream dont post scammer bait, don't skyline yourself,

IF YOU FUCKING GET CONTACTED TO CALL AN OUTSIDE # or contact their friend, it's a scam, reason they are not using a real account

These guys are organized crime, they are not different from a street gang working a block, the internet is their block and they staked for sale sites to scam desperate people hoping for a deal,

They have your number because you telegraphed It so many times, do you homework and stop blaming others
 
Someone messaged me earlier asking me if I still have a vortex scope for sale. This is super strange because #1 I can’t post in the PX because I’m not a paid member and #2 I don’t own a vortex scope lol. Is it possible SH itself has been breached?
 
Lowlight you are correct and I don't disagree with your statement. The shock of everything yesterday through me for a loop. Trust me, if it was $200-300 I wouldn't of made a post. $1300 is a different story. I should've been more careful and used goods & services but that gets hairy for firearms related items anyway. Over the past 10 years, I've had many successful transactions between here and arfcom.

The Los Angeles area code should of been a red flag. The biggest thing that got me was the PM from a well established account. That is something I've always considered to be rock solid, never question. The mobile text dialogue was very normal. We get busy and I went on a gut feeling that was good.

Bottom line, if members continue to have breaches and outgoing messages from individuals accounts aren't secure, that's a big problem. I've learned a good lesson and I want others to be aware. I hope this thread prevents this from happening to someone else.