Why do we still dislike Griffin?

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    #1
    I've been on the hide now for a long time and one thing that seems to still be noticeable is the lack of Griffin suppressor threads. Are we still not considering them when it come to our suppressor purchases? They have had a pretty rock solid track record over the years but still only seem to push out the "drama" threads. Am I still missing something?

    Just curious as I bought a GA can recently, not trying to start any Hide drama.

    TIA
     
    #4
    hlee said:
    Well, with the Sprm mounts, snatch charging handles, and switch hitter slings, they just don’t strike me as a serious company.YMMV, you may want sperm all over your rifle…
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    Were the “SPRM” mounts the ones that had the ring cap screws come from the bottom up as opposed to from the top down?

    That would have driven me batshit crazy. There is no way I would buy a product that was as poorly/ignorantly designed as that.
     
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    ROLEXrifleman said:
    I've been on the hide now for a long time and one thing that seems to still be noticeable is the lack of Griffin suppressor threads. Are we still not considering them when it come to our suppressor purchases? They have had a pretty rock solid track record over the years but still only seem to push out the "drama" threads. Am I still missing something?

    Just curious as I bought a GA can recently, not trying to start any Hide drama.

    TIA
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    GA catches a ton of shit on the internet, they drive a lot of it. Most of the shit they catch is pretty petty and has nothing to do with the performance of their silencers or quality. Frankly, they have the widest silencer and muzzle device offering in the industry. GA also appears to have very little QC problems, not zero, but very few. I have one of their silencers and a lot of their muzzle devices. I think it is of the best I own.
     
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    Iv got one. It’s okay.

    They don’t seem to be a precision rifle oriented company.

    Particularly they don’t make a welded all titanium suppressor. That’s what I prefer.
     
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    Threadcutter308 said:
    Were the “SPRM” mounts the ones that had the ring cap screws come from the bottom up as opposed to from the top down?

    That would have driven me batshit crazy. There is no way I would buy a product that was as poorly/ignorantly designed as that.
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    It was their GPM...same company. Very weird design....why???

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    #12
    Baron23 said:
    Can't explain it, friend. This is a snip right off of their website right now for the same 30mm standard 0 MOA SPRM mount

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    Look at the image closely, then note that there are multiple images of this mount on that page, including the opposite side of the mount.

    You can see from this image that the rings are made with a bias (one side fits lower than the other). Scrolling through the images shows that the opposite side has screws coming up from the bottom- just like the gpm mount.
     
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    #13
    hlee said:
    Look at the image closely, then note that there are multiple images of this mount on that page, including the opposite side of the mount.

    You can see from this image that the rings are made with a bias (one side fits lower than the other). Scrolling through the images shows that the opposite side has screws coming up from the bottom- just like the gpm mount.
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    Sumbitch...you are, of course, right. That's just retarded....but what do I know.
     
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    Going with the slanted cut of the rings they had to put the screws in from the bottom to have enough meat for the screw to go into. But yeah it's goofy.
     
    #15
    I like my Griffin Recce7. It isn't the quietest or lightest can, but it's a great deal and my rifles all shoot great with it. I like their taper mount system. They have some cool suppressors but don't get into the ultralight or niche big-bore stuff. I think Griffin does well at providing a solid mounting system and good general purpose cans for relatively quite affordable prices.
     
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    I have an M4SD-K, I really like it. Not a precision can but a great hard use suppressor. I also have one of their mounts. I got it "free", with a 200 dollar credit to their store when I bought the can. Not gonna lie, it's a real pain to put together. Very solid once set up, but I won't be buying another one anytime soon. That scope will never leave that mount! It just bounces around between 22s
     
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    Im2bent said:
    Going with the slanted cut of the rings they had to put the screws in from the bottom to have enough meat for the screw to go into. But yeah it's goofy.
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    Well, yeah...but why do that in the first place? What advantage does it convey to offset putting some of the screws what I would think is in a really lousy (for access) position?
     
    #20
    Cascade Hemi said:
    What exactly is a "precision" can? I can't tell any difference between the groups with a GA can and the groups with a TBAC can. The only difference is the weight.
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    Mostly just what the can is designed for I guess. Repeatability with TBACs are incredible. I honestly haven't done any testing but the M4SD-K has some "slop" in the QD mount, I could see that leading to some inconsistency at distance, maybe not. But given it's purpose as a carbine can, I'm not interested in that.
     
    #22
    dzeke said:
    Mostly just what the can is designed for I guess. Repeatability with TBACs are incredible. I honestly haven't done any testing but the M4SD-K has some "slop" in the QD mount, I could see that leading to some inconsistency at distance, maybe not. But given it's purpose as a carbine can, I'm not interested in that.
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    There's no slop.

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    #25
    dzeke said:
    Yes...but those are all thread mount to a brake. The M4SD-K is their gate-lok QD mount. I assure you, there is movement. But it doesn't matter given it's purpose.
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    That is a very unique application. You’re in the minority. You can’t compare a suppressor that inherently has to have a huge bore and a slip-over/collar lock to all of the taper mount cans. Your M4SDK is made to fit on A2 flash hiders with crush washers so you can swap it between general service guns without installing taper mount muzzle devices, it isn’t in the same realm as other cans.

    If you have a solid suppressor lockup and the can doesn’t have any glaring manufacturing defect, the rifle should maintain or even improve precision. Improvements just come from sticking a big weight on the end of your barrel which affects harmonics positively.
     
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    UpSideDown said:
    That is a very unique application. You’re in the minority. You can’t compare a suppressor that inherently has to have a huge bore and a slip-over/collar lock to all of the taper mount cans. Your M4SDK is made to fit on A2 flash hiders with crush washers so you can swap it between general service guns without installing taper mount muzzle devices, it isn’t in the same realm as other cans.

    If you have a solid suppressor lockup and the can doesn’t have any glaring manufacturing defect, the rifle should maintain or even improve precision. Improvements just come from sticking a big weight on the end of your barrel which affects harmonics positively.
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    Yes...you are correct, that's literally my point. I'm not comparing that suppressor to a taper mount suppressor. The question was posed what makes a precision can. I was simply pointing out why a can like an M4SDK is designed for something other than precision given it's mounting system and it's inherent slop. Then a picture was posted of all taper mount suppressors saying there is no slop, which is hilarious. Of course there is no slop, it's a different mounting system than what I was talking about.
     
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    dzeke said:
    Yes...you are correct, that's literally my point. I'm not comparing that suppressor to a taper mount suppressor. The question was posed what makes a precision can. I was simply pointing out why a can like an M4SDK is designed for something other than precision given it's mounting system and it's inherent slop. Then a picture was posted of all taper mount suppressors saying there is no slop, which is hilarious. Of course there is no slop, it's a different mounting system than what I was talking about.
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    We're not talking about your can prior to your comment. It was said earlier that they aren't a precision rifle oriented mfg. That doesn't make sense - their cans are just as precise as any others, excluding the niche option like you have.
     
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    dzeke said:
    Yes...but those are all thread mount to a brake. The M4SD-K is their gate-lok QD mount. I assure you, there is movement. But it doesn't matter given it's purpose.
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    Yes, most of GA's rifle silencers are taper mounted. You weren't the first person in this thread to comment on GA's market orientation. The question remains, what is a "precision" can? GA is best known for their taper mounts, which in my experience are every bit as precise as my TBAC mount and can. Weight is certainly not indicative of "precision".
     
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    Cascade Hemi said:
    Yes, most of GA's rifle silencers are taper mounted. You weren't the first person in this thread to comment on GA's market orientation. The question remains, what is a "precision" can? GA is best known for their taper mounts, which in my experience are every bit as precise as my TBAC mount and can. Weight is certainly not indicative of "precision".
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    Often times people conflate/assign the "precision" descriptor to bolt action platforms only, and since Griffin Armament's product focus is predominantly on having their cans work well with the AR platform, they're often seen as "lacking a "precision (oriented) can."

    This is despite the fact that their 308/7.62 cans are often rated for common long action magnum calibers (300 win mag, 300 prc) and some of which have no barrel length restrictions (RECCE, Explorr, Dual-Lok) and can easily be used on bolt actions.

    Personally I would like to see a larger volume (>1.5" diameter), tubeless (lighter weight) can with a design/layout and emphasis towards higher muzzle pressure/volume of long action magnums/big bore calibers. Their current Bushwhacker 46 is the only one that I'm aware of that is .338 lapua rated but has a 24" min barrel length restriction, is tube over, and heavy. Even though I like their Paladin 2 Port brake, I would like to have a 3 port version as well, even if it only would have 5-10% better recoil reduction than a 2 port.
     
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    #30
    No. No. No.

    I see a lot of guessing.

    Let's not take my word for any of it, because I obviously believe he's a fucking clown.

    Let's start here together:

    My favorite thing Griffin did was when they tried to copy a suppressor mount that went onto an a2 flashider like the one KAC had.

    The problem is the dimensions on a2 flashiders commercially are all over the place dimensionaly. So KAC made an improved compatible flash hider that wasn't. So their nt4 could mount on something good.

    Big heated public shit show. Many of us sat quietly and waited. Customers had all sort of issues because of the random a2 flashider dimensions. It just kept going. And going. The finger pointing was epic.

    He's not as vocal now. And his sales are better for it. And a lot of us old timers are old now. I don't post much anymore. I'm not nearly as active online as I used to be. I have personally wasted countless hours trying to help people who trusted whatever nonesense he was passing off as expert advice at the time. It annoys me. So I offer this in like kind to him.

    You wanted to know why--now you know.

    If you enjoy your purchase--great! I'm genuinely happy for you. I still see Saturn's on the road from time to time. So some were everything they were hyped to be....
     
    #31
    If you go back far enough, companies that were around back then, that are still around today, have some not so flattering history. Even the beloved KAC has a disproportionate amount of controversy in the early days. The silencer industry was a giant dumpster fire in the 90's and 00's. It is only recently that silencer manufacturers have become slightly more professional. TBAC is the only one I can think of that hasn't had industry drama. GA has caused most of their own bad press but are still around and making decent products. I can think of a few companies from back then that did lot worse than putting some stupid words on silencers (which GA fixed and apologized for).

    You should buy what you want, there are a lot of options today. GA makes some decent performing silencers that you can actually buy. However, maybe 16 years just isn't enough time to heal your trauma and another company fits your needs. Choices and competition are good.
     
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    I was wondering why @bachwas laughing at stuff and now I know.

    Anyway at OP griffin is probably my favorite suppressor company as a whole. They just do a LOT right. The biggest hole in their game is large(r) bore cans for the big boys shooting real far-tbac has that on pretty solid lock down though.
     
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    #33
    bachelorjack said:
    No. No. No.

    I see a lot of guessing.

    Let's not take my word for any of it, because I obviously believe he's a fucking clown.

    Let's start here together:

    My favorite thing Griffin did was when they tried to copy a suppressor mount that went onto an a2 flashider like the one KAC had.

    The problem is the dimensions on a2 flashiders commercially are all over the place dimensionaly. So KAC made an improved compatible flash hider that wasn't. So their nt4 could mount on something good.

    Big heated public shit show. Many of us sat quietly and waited. Customers had all sort of issues because of the random a2 flashider dimensions. It just kept going. And going. The finger pointing was epic.

    He's not as vocal now. And his sales are better for it. And a lot of us old timers are old now. I don't post much anymore. I'm not nearly as active online as I used to be. I have personally wasted countless hours trying to help people who trusted whatever nonesense he was passing off as expert advice at the time. It annoys me. So I offer this in like kind to him.

    You wanted to know why--now you know.

    If you enjoy your purchase--great! I'm genuinely happy for you. I still see Saturn's on the road from time to time. So some were everything they were hyped to be....
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    He's not really any less vocal now. He still posts regularly about everyone else's suppressors, even when his opinion is not asked for, its just all centrally located on Arfcom, because Reddit (and just about everywhere else) is quick to tear him apart for the previously stupid things he's said.

    My favorite was when he actually said that more data is not good for consumers.

    Or when he said that his cans performed worse than expected at the TBAC silencer sound summit, because of the mount chosen for them.
     
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    #34
    Probably because they rip off other companies' designs and don't make a can that's the best at anything.

    That said- though a blatant copy of KAC suppressors- it is nice that someone is making some for the OG SR-25 owners out there who want a gate latch gas block indexing can for their Knights rifles, since KAC actual doesn't hardly produce any for us dirty non government buyers.
     
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    bachelorjack said:
    No. No. No.

    I see a lot of guessing.

    Let's not take my word for any of it, because I obviously believe he's a fucking clown.

    Let's start here together:

    My favorite thing Griffin did was when they tried to copy a suppressor mount that went onto an a2 flashider like the one KAC had.

    The problem is the dimensions on a2 flashiders commercially are all over the place dimensionaly. So KAC made an improved compatible flash hider that wasn't. So their nt4 could mount on something good.

    Big heated public shit show. Many of us sat quietly and waited. Customers had all sort of issues because of the random a2 flashider dimensions. It just kept going. And going. The finger pointing was epic.

    He's not as vocal now. And his sales are better for it. And a lot of us old timers are old now. I don't post much anymore. I'm not nearly as active online as I used to be. I have personally wasted countless hours trying to help people who trusted whatever nonesense he was passing off as expert advice at the time. It annoys me. So I offer this in like kind to him.

    You wanted to know why--now you know.

    If you enjoy your purchase--great! I'm genuinely happy for you. I still see Saturn's on the road from time to time. So some were everything they were hyped to be....
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    bachelorjack said:
    No. No. No.

    I see a lot of guessing.

    Let's not take my word for any of it, because I obviously believe he's a fucking clown.

    Let's start here together:

    My favorite thing Griffin did was when they tried to copy a suppressor mount that went onto an a2 flashider like the one KAC had.

    The problem is the dimensions on a2 flashiders commercially are all over the place dimensionaly. So KAC made an improved compatible flash hider that wasn't. So their nt4 could mount on something good.

    Big heated public shit show. Many of us sat quietly and waited. Customers had all sort of issues because of the random a2 flashider dimensions. It just kept going. And going. The finger pointing was epic.

    He's not as vocal now. And his sales are better for it. And a lot of us old timers are old now. I don't post much anymore. I'm not nearly as active online as I used to be. I have personally wasted countless hours trying to help people who trusted whatever nonesense he was passing off as expert advice at the time. It annoys me. So I offer this in like kind to him.

    You wanted to know why--now you know.

    If you enjoy your purchase--great! I'm genuinely happy for you. I still see Saturn's on the road from time to time. So some were everything they were hyped to be....
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    Too bad it didn't say "dune coon" or "sand wigger"; I bet he would've sold a shit ton. Those deployed to the ME might have a different viewpoint than folk on Reddit looking for confirmation.

    Bygones are Bygones; Griffin taper mount is legit
     
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    #37
    My first suppressor was a Griffin. I now have other brands, but I don't dislike my GA. Their taper mounts work well, and their scope mounts(SPRM and GPM) are super solid and very well machined. And yes, I have other mounts than theirs, including Spuhr, but my opinion is that it would be hard to find a more solid mount at that price. They simply make good stuff that may be a little heavier than the whiz bang competition. If you can't get over the middle school humor, then you probably haven't spent much time around infantry, or take everything waaayyy too seriously and should never buy anything but AI and Swarovski.
     
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    mike278 said:
    My first suppressor was a Griffin. I now have other brands, but I don't dislike my GA. Their taper mounts work well, and their scope mounts(SPRM and GPM) are super solid and very well machined. And yes, I have other mounts than theirs, including Spuhr, but my opinion is that it would be hard to find a more solid mount at that price. They simply make good stuff that may be a little heavier than the whiz bang competition. If you can't get over the middle school humor, then you probably haven't spent much time around infantry, or take everything waaayyy too seriously and should never buy anything but AI and Swarovski.
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    I find it humorous when guys pick and choose which brands to defend poor judgement calls based on "humor" or some other rationalization. Not saying that about you personally, but it is what is quite common.

    Maybe I need to be explained the humor in "front towards arabs"..? I watch a lot of stand up comedy. I like to think Im pretty open minded. I dont shy away from religion or abortion jokes either.

    Sounds more like a dumb decision made by someone who got a little too praise-worthy of their own shit.

    These same guys routinely turn into virgin prom queens in their attitude towards CAT's brand of humor (using stereotypes like asians for the Short Round character), citing it as the reason they wont consider a product that continues to dominate every test its subjected to.

    I wish people applied their "logic" less selectively in life.
     
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