This may be a dumb question, but hear me out?

Steel+Killer · Aug 19, 2024

So, a friend of mine and I was at the range, and I let him shoot one of my pistols with a RDS on it and he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it.

I zeroed it to hit POA POI at exactly 25yds and that is exactly what it was doing for me.

He kept asking me where should the bullet go? I kept telling him where you put the red dot should be the POI.

Anyway, I was like man I don't know what the fuck you are doing, but for me its hitting exactly where the red dot is.

My question is even though it was zeroed for me with my eyes could it not have been zeroed for him the way his eyes look through the sight?

Now this got me thinking with rifle scopes if I zero my scope for me and if someone else looks through it (other than the diopter needing to be adjusted for the reticle) shouldn't it be zeroed for them as well?

I got a friend that wants me to mount and zero a new scope for him and it got me thinking "when he looks through it will it be zeroed for him as well?"

Wade · Aug 19, 2024

The difference is in the trigger pull/follow through, not the optics/vision.

WB300 · Aug 19, 2024

If the optic is sighted in and working properly, then 1 of you (or maybe both) are messing up one or more of the fundamentals if not hitting in the same POI.

Where were his rounds going? Low?? This may give us insight as to what he's doing wrong or different than you.

Most common with a RDS on a pistol is anticipation (grip and trigger issue) or vision issue (looking at the wrong thing).

MadDuner · Aug 19, 2024

With my astigmatism - all I see on a pistol red dot is a linear laser smear of light running corner to corner at a 45* angle.

simonp · Aug 19, 2024

MadDuner said:
With my astigmatism - all I see on a pistol red dot is a linear laser smear of light running corner to corner at a 45* angle.

use a green dot, it will help with your astigmatism greatly

Steel+Killer · Aug 19, 2024

I don't think it's me as I was hitting the targets every time, but he wasn't even coming close.

We were shooting 8" steel target plates at 25ish yds.

MO Fugga · Aug 19, 2024

Sounds like he's flinching.

clcustom1911 · Aug 19, 2024

Sounds like he's a shitty pistol shooter who lacks fundamentals and a a few hundred rounds of experience.

I've seen people having trouble finding the dot, but once they find it, they hit.

ShootnFool8 · Aug 19, 2024

Barrel length matters, and fundamentals. My son can't hit 7 yds with a vp9sk red dot. Give him my zev with a longer barrel, and does better. Fundamentals matter

tomme boy · Aug 19, 2024

Seen this very thing. It was not the optic. It was the idiot behind it. He was still using the front sight to aim. Once I showed him how to find the dot he was hitting everything he put it on.

Don't take their word as to they know what they are doing. Walk them through how to use it. And how to find the dot. People are funny sometimes when it comes to things like this. They don't want to look like an idiot so will not either ask ?'s or ask for help.

Terry Cross · Aug 20, 2024

Steel+Killer said:
So, a friend of mine and I was at the range, and I let him shoot one of my pistols with a RDS on it and he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it.

I zeroed it to hit POA POI at exactly 25yds and that is exactly what it was doing for me.

He kept asking me where should the bullet go? I kept telling him where you put the red dot should be the POI.

Anyway, I was like man I don't know what the fuck you are doing, but for me its hitting exactly where the red dot is.

My question is even though it was zeroed for me with my eyes could it not have been zeroed for him the way his eyes look through the sight?

Now this got me thinking with rifle scopes if I zero my scope for me and if someone else looks through it (other than the diopter needing to be adjusted for the reticle) shouldn't it be zeroed for them as well?

I got a friend that wants me to mount and zero a new scope for him and it got me thinking "when he looks through it will it be zeroed for him as well?"

I would like all feedback, but I really want to hear what @koshkin has to say about it!

Def not an issue with the RDS working for you and not him.
He is not seeing what you are telling him he should see or else he is anticipating and dumping the gun during his trigger yank.

Take him back out and work him through the basics. Dry fire. Ball and dummy live fire and then live fire. Watch his trigger finger and make him verbalize what he is seeing and trying to make happen.

If you are thinking his trigger manipulation is good, place a piece of non-transparent tape over the front of your RDS and give it back to him.
Have him shoot it with both eyes open.

This works like an occluded gun sight. His brain will merge the dot over what he is seeing with his other eye. This will force him to look at the dot and not the iron sights or ghost glare.

5 minutes on the range again and you will be able to figure it out for him.

LeadBreakfast · Dec 25, 2024

Every time I see this it is poor pistol form - anticipation, flinching, tightening the grip, poor finger placement on the trigger, etc.

Pistol shooting is a very perishable skill.

Fx51LP308 · Dec 25, 2024

MadDuner said:
With my astigmatism - all I see on a pistol red dot is a linear laser smear of light running corner to corner at a 45* angle.

Precisely. The 1.25 diopter astigmatism in my Rt. eye is pronounced enough to force me to shoot cross eye dominant (left eye). It shows when I attempt the "triangle finger" test.

At some point, I may get greater corrective lenses (I did have some but they were from several years ago. I think the prescription will have changed by then).

Tokay444 · Dec 25, 2024

What’s his dominant eye? What’s your dominant eye?

Fx51LP308 · Dec 25, 2024

Tokay444 said:
What’s his dominant eye? What’s your dominant eye?

For me, I want it to be "Right" so things will align better in re: "Stance, etc." but it is left eye at present. So I shoot on the right side but aim on the left.

Steel+Killer · Dec 25, 2024

Fx51LP308 said:
For me, I want it to be "Right" so things will align better in re: "Stance, etc." but it is left eye at present. So I shoot on the right side but aim on the left.

I have always been right eye dominant and shot with my right eye up until the past few years with my vision gradually going bad in my right eye at a faster pace than my left eye. So now with red dots I use my left eye, but with scopes that have an adjustable diopter I still shoot right-handed with my right eye.

Fx51LP308 · Dec 25, 2024

Steel+Killer said:
I have always been right eye dominant and shot with my right eye up until the past few years with my vision gradually going bad in my right eye at a faster pace than my left eye. So now with red dots I use my left eye, but with scopes that have an adjustable diopter I still shoot right-handed with my right eye.

Hmmmmmm.... I'll have to look into scopes with a diopter adjustment. First, I have to get checked again by an ophthalmologist.

Tokay444 · Dec 25, 2024

Steel+Killer said:
I have always been right eye dominant and shot with my right eye up until the past few years with my vision gradually going bad in my right eye at a faster pace than my left eye. So now with red dots I use my left eye, but with scopes that have an adjustable diopter I still shoot right-handed with my right eye.

That’s likely part of the problem, unless he’s also cross eye dominant.

chevy_man · Dec 26, 2024

MadDuner said:
With my astigmatism - all I see on a pistol red dot is a linear laser smear of light running corner to corner at a 45* angle.

Try polarized glasses.
I see a giant starburst, put on my Oakley shooting glasses and it's a nice crisp dot.

I did have to push the front sight over to line up with the "backup" notch in my red dot on one pistol. So I still have the irons that are lower 1/3rd co-witness if I needed to shoot without glasses for whatever reason.

Also the reason my truck gun still has simple irons. I have better vision than most, and don't see a need wear glasses to correct the astigmatism that only ever shows up in 1 place. But, it means that I'm not going to go grabbing for glasses if a fight breaks out.

Makinchips208 · Dec 26, 2024

Steel+Killer said:
I have always been right eye dominant and shot with my right eye up until the past few years with my vision gradually going bad in my right eye at a faster pace than my left eye. So now with red dots I use my left eye, but with scopes that have an adjustable diopter I still shoot right-handed with my right eye.

So has he improved since the first post? Or have you tried shooting again with him?
I’m just curious if there has been a follow up. Thanks!

Steel+Killer · Dec 26, 2024

Makinchips208 said:
So has he improved since the first post? Or have you tried shooting again with him?
I’m just curious if there has been a follow up. Thanks!

Unfortunately, we haven't had a chance to go shooting together again, but I have gone with other guys and what I have noticed is some guys I can hand off a pistol that has a RDS and they have no problem some guys are like "ok the bullet should go where the dot is right?".......

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