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mark5pt56 · Sep 15, 2024

Check page 2, schematics for a bolt gun! HK USA announcement reference somethings coming out in the fall/winter. This will be great for the bolt gunners.

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R_A_W · Sep 15, 2024

HK engineer reviewing their list of requested products, that is now longer than the Iliad:

“Guys, you know what I don’t see on this list?”

R_A_W · Sep 15, 2024

Relevant text:

We expect to introduce 3 major new/enhanced platforms between mid-October and the HK Pro WOFT event in February.

The schematics on ARFCOM aren't for a bolt gun:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9e/36/ef/1b24c27c273769/US11280567.pdf

Couple of US trademark applications for the "SP7" is probably an MP7, see: 018986902, 1797837

Multiple US trademark applications for something related to a wearable tracking/shot counter device, could be related to their 2017 patents, see: 019056146, 019056188

I don't think this is related to the announcement, but I guess they're getting into airsoft (AYFKM?), see: Gen3; H-Guard; HK421; HK447; VP40; HK169; HK369, M27, M320, SFP40, Mk23, GMG, HK243, HK245, G39, GLM, HK443, HK45... others, not typing the rest out

HK USPTO filings

6brshooter · Sep 15, 2024

Hk bolt gun would be a rem 700 clone, built to sako/Tikka quality, with a hard to reach safety(but with pictogram!), and only cost 4000.

mark5pt56 · Sep 15, 2024

On that 3rd, 4th and 5th diagram it sure looks like a bolt to me.

R_A_W · Sep 15, 2024

You're right. I linked the wrong patent, one sec

e - Looks like this one:

https://ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadBasicPdf/11859929?requestToken=eyJzdWIiOiI0MzYwNmRlYi03Y2NlLTQ5MTMtYjNlNi01MmEzMDYzODBjNmIiLCJ2ZXIiOiI2OGM3NGY3NC05NGI0LTQxNTctYWYwYi1mOWUwYWIyZjEzYTEiLCJleHAiOjB9

mark5pt56 · Sep 15, 2024

This is huge for HK-USA and the US bolt gunner. I can see this being on some agencies list and folks who want a quality off the shelf gun. Does it appear to be oriented towards the PRS crowd-nope and I doubt HK is remotely interested. Hope to see more on this.

kthomas · Sep 15, 2024

mark5pt56 said:
This is huge for HK-USA and the US bolt gunner. I can see this being on some agencies list and folks who want a quality off the shelf gun. Does it appear to be oriented towards the PRS crowd-nope and I doubt HK is remotely interested. Hope to see more on this.

Is it though?

I remain a bit tepid over the bolt offering.

The other stuff may be cool though. HK is a funny company, we'll see what actually happens and what the prices are.

kthomas · Sep 15, 2024

And that arfcom thread is painful to read. A lot of wish-casting from the LARPer crowd.

mark5pt56 · Sep 15, 2024

kthomas said:
And that arfcom thread is painful to read. A lot of wish-casting from the LARPer crowd.

Of course, whole lotta crack being consumed.

kthomas · Sep 15, 2024

mark5pt56 said:
Of course, whole lotta crack being consumed.

As they do.

Anyways, it will be interesting to see what comes out of this.

R_A_W · Sep 15, 2024

Most interesting part... notice the lugs:

Should shorten the bolt throw by a bit. Wonder what it will do for feeding & accuracy?

Fx51LP308 · Sep 15, 2024

Where do they plan on building their factory facilities in the USA (if any)?

papershredder · Sep 15, 2024

So teasing at three new products, sounds like one might be a civvy MP7. That would be a no-brainer for HK-USA if they actually want to make money. My guess for the second item would be that compact pistol they teased everybody with last year but never released. And if true they are making a bolt gun and that bolt gun takes SR25 or G3 mags, then I am sold! F'kn take my money, credit scores are over rated anyway!

Fx51LP308 said:
Where do they plan on building their factory facilities in the USA (if any)?

They already have a plant. It's in either Georgia or South Carolina, I've slept since looking that tidbit of info up.

mark5pt56 · Sep 15, 2024

I seriously doubt they are going to enter with fanboy items. I think they are looking at the market from the standpoint of large agency/govt contract purchases and the most likely and volume purchase by the average consumer.
So--
The bolt gun, obviously a carbine and the new pistol. Those three make the most sense- to me anyhow

I'll get this out-they will not peddle substandard shit like sig has done.

kthomas · Sep 15, 2024

mark5pt56 said:
I seriously doubt they are going to enter with fanboy items. I think they are looking at the market from the standpoint of large agency/govt contract purchases and the most likely and volume purchase by the average consumer.
So--
The bolt gun, obviously a carbine and the new pistol. Those three make the most sense- to me anyhow

I'll get this out-they will not peddle substandard shit like sig has done.

I agree.

HK does not pander to the "enthusiasts". Which makes all the wish-casting from the LARPers on arfcom even more hilarious. Those posters on arfcom are either children or mentally stunted based on some of the posts I've seen in that thread.

HK is much more interested in meeting the needs of their main clients - the government.

R_A_W · Sep 15, 2024

mark5pt56 said:
I'll get this out-they will not peddle substandard shit like sig has done

This is the actual reason they made all the airsoft trademark filings. HK will never make an airsoft gun, but they also don’t want “HK45” on the side of some dinky $25 toy

kthomas · Sep 15, 2024

R_A_W said:
This is the actual reason they made all the airsoft trademark filings. HK will never make an airsoft gun, but they also don’t want “HK45” on the side of some dinky $25 toy

That tracks.

dms416 · Sep 15, 2024

kthomas said:
I agree.

HK does not pander to the "enthusiasts".

They think they do…with lame limited editions. OD green pistol frames….flecktarn camo. Oh and don’t forget the MR27 tribute rifle that’s idiotically priced for an Mr556 with an Acog.

For sure one of the 3 will be the USA version of the “cc” Micro 9mm. The bolt gun was in line with every other AR maker doing bolt guns 2 years ago. Doesn’t mean it’ll happen…much like the HK1911 blue prints

stanley_white · Sep 15, 2024

What problem could an HK bolt gun solve (other than chasing government contracts)?

-Stan

xxflyingturtlexx · Sep 15, 2024

stanley_white said:
What problem could an HK bolt gun solve (other than chasing government contracts)?

-Stan

well what if they want to sell more guns, not solve problems?

dms416 · Sep 15, 2024

xxflyingturtlexx said:
well what if they want to sell more guns, not solve problems?

This guy gets it

enichols · Sep 15, 2024

R_A_W said:
Most interesting part... notice the lugs:

Should shorten the bolt throw by a bit. Wonder what it will do for feeding & accuracy?

Rear lugs should not be detrimental to precision. The Steyr SSG69 has a rear lug bolt, for example, and is a very precise platform.

W54/XM-388 · Sep 15, 2024

H&K hates you, but knows you'll buy whatever they put out whenever they get around to putting it out way after the market has changed.

hkguns · Sep 15, 2024

R_A_W said:
View attachment 8502117

Relevant text:

The schematics on ARFCOM aren't for a bolt gun:

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/9e/36/ef/1b24c27c273769/US11280567.pdf

Couple of US trademark applications for the "SP7" is probably an MP7, see: 018986902, 1797837

Multiple US trademark applications for something related to a wearable tracking/shot counter device, could be related to their 2017 patents, see: 019056146, 019056188

I don't think this is related to the announcement, but I guess they're getting into airsoft (AYFKM?), see: Gen3; H-Guard; HK421; HK447; VP40; HK169; HK369, M27, M320, SFP40, Mk23, GMG, HK243, HK245, G39, GLM, HK443, HK45... others, not typing the rest out

HK USPTO filings

Yeah, they've been making those promises since around 2004. Not holding my breath for any product breakthroughs or meaningful US production.

dms416 · Sep 15, 2024

W54/XM-388 said:
H&K hates you, but knows you'll buy whatever they put out whenever they get around to putting it out way after the market has changed.

I mean…they took a lot of shit on the VP9 release and were a day behind the ppq in a time where the gen 3 glock molds were worn out and the Gen 4 sucked dick as did the m&p 1.0. For a Johnny come lately they did pretty good in that respect.

Rob01 · Sep 15, 2024

Yay? Sorry but don't see anything exciting there. Will wait to be excited until something hits the street and see if it's worth the excitement or just another $5000 European rifle. LOL

FuhQ · Sep 16, 2024

6brshooter said:
Hk bolt gun would be a rem 700 clone, built to sako/Tikka quality, with a hard to reach safety(but with pictogram!), and only cost 4000.

And a backwards loaded magazine for the photo op...

FuhQ · Sep 16, 2024

mark5pt56 said:
This is huge for HK-USA and the US bolt gunner. I can see this being on some agencies list and folks who want a quality off the shelf gun. Does it appear to be oriented towards the PRS crowd-nope and I doubt HK is remotely interested. Hope to see more on this.

How so? I'm a huge HK fan, but this is basically nothing more than a Sig Cross or Uintah Precision setup (according to the diagrams above)...

Cody S · Sep 16, 2024

looking forward to what design changes they made, but I don't think it will be an improvement.
the only thing European on my rifle is the magazines.

eamars · Sep 16, 2024

I wonder how HK is going to deal with upper/lower wobble over the time ....

eamars · Sep 16, 2024

The rear takedown tab reminds of the Tippmann M4 airsoft...

mark5pt56 · Sep 16, 2024

Upper/lower wobble has zero to do with accuracy, only serves to take ignorant folks from their money with items such as the wedge.
Any reasonable person would say there's a difference between HK research, manufacturing and quality control and sig, etc.
While the bolt gun may not be entering into an untapped market, it's another offering that adds to the choices for folks.

We will see what comes out and how it performs in the field. One thing to remember-they aren't going after the "PRS" crowd with this gun, some of you are thinking of this gun that way.

Am I saving my money-no, will I buy one when they get out-sure I will figure it out, right now I'm looking at my first Origin receiver and doing an old school twist with BDL set up-just need to locate that stuff for .223.

Maurygold · Sep 16, 2024

yeah yeah.... we all have bolt guns. ARE WE GETTING MP7?!

kthomas · Sep 16, 2024

Maurygold said:
yeah yeah.... we all have bolt guns. ARE WE GETTING MP7?!

I would be surprised.

The MP7 seems pretty niche, I'm not sure if HK sees a civi marketplace for that specific item.

Maurygold · Sep 16, 2024

kthomas said:
I would be surprised.

The MP7 seems pretty niche, I'm not sure if HK sees a civi marketplace for that specific item.

it's 1/2 the comments on any hk post or forum to ever exist (since the sp5 release). we all universally agree - we need mp7

GrayRyder · Sep 16, 2024

They'll probably offer a 6.5CM so absolutely nothing to get excited about. AND it will cost $4000.

kthomas · Sep 16, 2024

Maurygold said:
it's 1/2 the comments on any hk post or forum to ever exist (since the sp5 release). we all universally agree - we need mp7

So like, 20 people?

The MP7 is a cool little gun, and there definitely seems to be a fan base for it. I'm just not sure if there's a broader market appeal that would make tooling up and dedicating production for it worthwhile for HK.

6brshooter · Sep 16, 2024

GrayRyder said:
They'll probably offer a 6.5CM so absolutely nothing to get excited about. AND it will cost $4000.

Hell after seeing design prints, I'm changing my price guess to 8000. It's hk, they care about gov contracts and fuck the consumer.

beetroot · Sep 16, 2024

GrayRyder said:
They'll probably offer a 6.5CM so absolutely nothing to get excited about. AND it will cost $4000.

Plenty of people got excited (and bought) a $5250 6.5CM AI AT-X.

They even waited 12 months and paid another $250 for the folding butt hinge.

diggler1833 · Sep 16, 2024

beetroot said:
Plenty of people got excited (and bought) a $5250 6.5CM AI AT-X.

They even waited 12 months and paid another $250 for the folding butt hinge.

Isn't it $6K - 6,500 for the new AT-XC? Still see guys posting about buying one.

Rob01 · Sep 16, 2024

beetroot said:
Plenty of people got excited (and bought) a $5250 6.5CM AI AT-X.

They even waited 12 months and paid another $250 for the folding butt hinge.

Tons of crazy SOBs out there lol

Cody S · Sep 16, 2024

4k in 2024 funny money ain't shit baby. that actually just buys you a prs rifle. welcome to bidens America. My last target rifle cost 4k and I had to screw it together myself IKEA style. I'm building a 22lr target rifle that will at least come in at 3k at it really is a budget build to rule them all.
HK gonna be 5 digits for starters.

Nik H · Sep 16, 2024

Rob01 said:
Yay? Sorry but don't see anything exciting there. Will wait to be excited until something hits the street and see if it's worth the excitement or just another $5000 European rifle. LOL

Agreed

I have been down this road before with HK. I'll play the waiting game and not be disappointed when nothing exciting comes of it.

Nik H · Sep 16, 2024

Cody S said:
HK gonna be 5 digits for starters.

Well, they better put up a strong pedigree at that point, as they have zero experience with building a bolt gun worth that kind of coin. Although, I never underestimate the zeal of HK afficionados

dms416 · Sep 16, 2024

Nik H said:
Well, they better put up a strong pedigree at that point, as they have zero experience with building a bolt gun worth that kind of coin. Although, I never underestimate the zeal of HK afficionados

Ironic they were intent on the insanely complex g11 but their only foray into bolts was the BASR and they slapped their name on some one else’s work.

pmclaine · Sep 17, 2024

Probably will have a fluted chamber as an extra fuck you.

TheOE800 · Sep 17, 2024

Nik H said:
I never underestimate the zeal of HK afficionados

4.6mm is a dumb caliber and yet…

xxflyingturtlexx · Sep 17, 2024

FuhQ said:
How so? I'm a huge HK fan, but this is basically nothing more than a Sig Cross or Uintah Precision setup (according to the diagrams above)...

For once, i rather have HK badge on my gun than Sig

FuhQ · Sep 17, 2024

xxflyingturtlexx said:
For once, i rather have HK badge on my gun than Sig

Sig might as well be a 4-letter word, as far as I’m concerned. Never really liked them, probably never will.

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