How will a SBR (11.5") with a mid-length gas system shoot? (Noveske)

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I've had my eye on an upper from Noveske for quite some time. It is their Irregular Defense Chainsaw (Slade's gun). One has come up for sale. It is a 11.5inch barrel, but it has a mid-length gas system. Do any of you have any experience shooting such a short barrel with a mid-length gas system? Is that even enough dwell time to cycle reliably? Suppressed?

My friend tells me it'll likely be a very soft shooter but I don't know. Just thought I'd see if any of you have any experience with such a setup.
 
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I just picked up a 10.5" Carbine gassed SBR LWRC DI, and it shoots flawlessly suppressed and unsurpressed but even with the low back pressure Lazarus 6 it's still kicking back a fair amount of gas in my face. I pulled the pinned gas block and installed a SA AGB and put it in Bleed off mode, aslo installed the Silencerco charging handle and now it's a smooth lady.
 
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I just picked up a 10.5" Carbine gassed SBR LWRC DI, and it shoots flawlessly suppressed and unsurpressed but even with the low back pressure Lazarus 6 it's still kicking back a fair amount of gas in my face. I pulled the pinned gas block and installed a SA AGB and put it in Bleed off mode, aslo installed the Silencerco charging handle and now it's a smooth lady.
I think this Noveske is a low profile gas block. I'll probably switch over to a AGB if it is gassy. I haven't tried the Silerncerco CH but I'll definitely look into it.
 
That's not too bad, I'll get a suppressor for it then. Probably a fun little AR to plink with.
You may get it to work without a can, but it will be borderline.

For reference, the much maligned 16" RLGS has about 3.1" of dwell time. I've got a barrel with 2" of dwell time that works well.
An 11.5" MLGS has 1.5" of dwell.
 
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The Craddock Precision 11.3" Bartlein with carbine plus 1" gas system is what you want.

How well will it shoot? MOA with quality ammo is surprisingly easy. With Berger 73 OTM or MK 262 you can expect half-MOA groups.

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I've had my eye on an upper from Noveske for quite some time. It is their Irregular Defense Chainsaw (Slade's gun). One has come up for sale. It is a 11.5inch barrel, but it has a mid-length gas system. Do any of you have any experience shooting such a short barrel with a mid-length gas system? Is that even enough dwell time to cycle reliably? Suppressed?

My friend tells me it'll likely be a very soft shooter but I don't know. Just thought I'd see if any of you have any experience with such a setup.
I don't think there is enough dwell time and you are going to need some kind of muzzle device to increase back pressure in order to assure reliability. My 12.5" LMT work well with and without a can but it is another inch of barrel.
 
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The Craddock Precision 11.3" Bartlein with carbine plus 1" gas system is what you want.

How well will it shoot? MOA with quality ammo is surprisingly easy. With Berger 73 OTM or MK 262 you can expect half-MOA groups.

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Thanks for posting this... Just ordered one with a headspaced bolt to revamp my current 10.3" barreled upper 😎🍻
 
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The Craddock Precision 11.3" Bartlein with carbine plus 1" gas system is what you want.

How well will it shoot? MOA with quality ammo is surprisingly easy. With Berger 73 OTM or MK 262 you can expect half-MOA groups.

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Hey that's not bad, I think it'll also be much cheaper than my Noveske build. With Noveske you're mostly just paying for the name, and I trust Craddock barrels over Noveske. The Noveske Upper is 1600 and the complete gun is 2700, while my build was going to be 2100. I think I'll just do a non-Noveske build. I need an SBR in my collection and I think this will be a cool way to do it.
 
She's beautiful. I have a LWRC DI build to do next year, but I think I'm going to do a 16" build. Is it still heavy despite being a 10.5?

8 lbs 7oz as shown, take the 3x magnifier and the Lazarus off and she sits right at 5lb 12 oz.

Love everything about these LWRC-DI Rifles and they just flat out work, have three of them now and have never had a single malfunction. Outstanding Ambidextrous controls, rock solid lockup, easy Sub MOA accuracy and $1,400 OTD.


Here is one of the 16" versions that I run damn near daily.

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8 lbs 7oz as shown, take the 3x magnifier and the Lazarus off and she sits right at 5lb 12 oz.

Love everything about these LWRC-DI Rifles and they just flat out work, have three of them now and have never had a single malfunction. Outstanding Ambidextrous controls, rock solid lockup, easy Sub MOA accuracy and $1,400 OTD.


Here is one of the 16" versions that I run damn near daily.

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What muzzle device is that?
 
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10.3 is about as short as I would ever reccomend someone go but they have their own set of issues. Alot of earlier problems have been pretty much solved with gas system tuning but I think 11.5 is really the practical min with 12.5 to 13.9 being the perfect ballance between handling and external ballistics.
 
I have an 11.5.middy I put together with a cheapo faxon barrel. I run it with a nomad l for deer season in somewhat urban environments. Sounds great with a h3 and a superlative blow off gas block.

Nothing about it is a combat kinda deal but it's super fun for hunting inside 300 yards which is all I ever do in the SE. I don't think full house 556 pressure loads from an SBR can get any quieter.

I have the e brake on it and it's identical in length to an 18" with an a2
 
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Noveske is for hipsters and turbo overpriced. Back when John was around they were good shit but I can't say they're worth the price now for a lot of their stuff.

They are definitely expensive, but I wouldn't say they are overpriced unless you are considering value as the primary criteria. They are a premium gunmaker that started around 2001, and back then you only really had Colt mass producing AR's, and Knights Armament, and a few others. Noveske was really the first premium gunmaker, and much of the premium-ness was providing the AR platform with precision barrels that they get from Pac Nor.

I think they only have 48 employees, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but because of their small size, and having every rifle built by a gunsmith, they have to charge a large amount of money to cover costs. Not many can claim their AR was handbuilt by a single gunsmith.

If you want a good rifle, an Aero lower with a Geissele or Larue trigger on sale plus a BCM upper will do the job for 99% of people. Spending more than $1300 on a rifle sees very fast diminishing returns, especially as you go past $2000. At $2000, what you are mostly paying for is QC, or some kind of innovation that the rest of the market doesn't have, which is important mostly for those who are willing to pay for an extra 1% of performance like competition shooters.

In Noveske's case,I think the price is fair, and, it is not for everyone. Their rifles aren't better than an Aero lower with a BCM upper but if you want something different from a brand with great history, I don't think its a bad buy if you have the funds. At 3,000 dollars, I think the only better buy would be something with a lot of innovation, like lightweight AR from VSeven, or an innovative AR from JP Enterprises, or a well-built design from Radian, or if you are collector or want something that comes from a brand with military contracts, a KAC.