First, thanks for the review. Short, sweet, and yeah I want that March, but the Vortex would be nice too.
Second, Duracoat has a Vortex Stealth Shadow option which looked reasonably close on the example I saw
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Rifle Scopes LPVO Evaluation Vortex Gen III 1-10 - March Shorty 1-10 - ATI SAI 6 1-6
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Second, Duracoat has a Vortex Stealth Shadow option which looked reasonably close on the example I saw
Well that’s good to know, I’m sure someone good at mixing Cerakote could get a close match. In all fairness for Vortex and others, it is hard to get aluminum anodization to match anything that’s painted.First, thanks for the review. Short, sweet, and yeah I want that March, but the Vortex would be nice too.
Second, Duracoat has a Vortex Stealth Shadow option which looked reasonably close on the example I saw
I will say this regarding the Razor Gen3 . I recently watched a guy at my range accidentally drive his Vortex right into a pressure treated barricade support while moving pretty fast for 3 gun training. So hard it knocked over the barricade.
Made hard contact with the front of the scope cap - sheared that right off and the objective area of the body took a direct hit.
No loss of zero. No real damage other than some superficial finish rub out . Geissele mount held tough btw. Pretty good hit. I'm a believer now.
If March further refines their reticle and dot I'd probably rock that on a 6.5 Creed semiauto and the Gen3 on my KAC 5.56
Made hard contact with the front of the scope cap - sheared that right off and the objective area of the body took a direct hit.
No loss of zero. No real damage other than some superficial finish rub out . Geissele mount held tough btw. Pretty good hit. I'm a believer now.
If March further refines their reticle and dot I'd probably rock that on a 6.5 Creed semiauto and the Gen3 on my KAC 5.56
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Thats one sweet setup!
And very similar to how I run the lht.....since I have it set up for my 12.5" grendle I have it in a super extended geissele mount all the way forward......(one down fall of huge eye relief on a ar pistol hahaha) Very nice ill try and post up some pics tonight
This......mabey put full value clicks on 15x and half value at 7.5....it would also be nice to incorporate some kind of detent if possible to feel when it is on the correct power...
Had the March 1.5-15x42 out this weekend, man I want to love this scope! The size is essentially LPVO size but with a massive objective (compared to LPVO) and enormous mag range
I even mounted my SIMRAD to it and checked it out at night, at the current distance from the SIMRAD's ocular the FOV goes beyond the SIMRAD at 2.5x, so that is the lowest usable magnification
I will try to get some "through the scope" images with the SIMRAD soon, but this combo is awesome. As I mentioned before, I do not like the moa reticle and turrets (I'm a mil guy), I do not like that the reticle is calibrated at 10x and there is no mechanical indication when you're on 10x (using this scope at night would be a serious pain). I would love to see a well thought out SFP tree reticle, maybe something that could be calibrated for both 15x and 3x use...
I even mounted my SIMRAD to it and checked it out at night, at the current distance from the SIMRAD's ocular the FOV goes beyond the SIMRAD at 2.5x, so that is the lowest usable magnification
I will try to get some "through the scope" images with the SIMRAD soon, but this combo is awesome. As I mentioned before, I do not like the moa reticle and turrets (I'm a mil guy), I do not like that the reticle is calibrated at 10x and there is no mechanical indication when you're on 10x (using this scope at night would be a serious pain). I would love to see a well thought out SFP tree reticle, maybe something that could be calibrated for both 15x and 3x use...
Actually, there is a very good mechanical indication that you are at any magnification setting on a March scope. You will have noticed the special lump on the mag ring, where the fast lever indexes. If you use the fast lever, on my 1.5-15x42, at 10x the fast lever is a tick right of straight up, call it 12:15 o'clock. With the fast lever, the single lump is at that position.
All March scopes have that single lump on the mag ring, and when you know your scope, you just feel the lump in the dark, and you know the current magnification setting.
You can also see it from position. It's very useful.
All March scopes have that single lump on the mag ring, and when you know your scope, you just feel the lump in the dark, and you know the current magnification setting.
You can also see it from position. It's very useful.
I would not call this "very good" but I am glad you pointed that out, if it was centered with 10x it'd be even better but you're right, it is a tad right of 10x and at distances I'll be shooting at night probably won't make a huge difference. Would love something like an MTC type of click as you move past 10x. Thinking of the NV applications this scope has, I'm thinking a lot about possibilities with reticle and features.
Needs a nice smooth detent that you can dial through easily but gives a nice click that you can feel. And a screaming bright dot. Walking around=dot. Offhand magnified=10x using holds. Bipod=15× using turrets. So easy a caveman could use it.
What this thread really has me thinking is to get a G3 1-10 for both of my spr types and be done with it. Seems like a lot of scope for the money with no real downsides. They are popping up used in the 15-1600$ range. Buying vortex always makes me feel like I'm shopping at scopemart but they sure deliver your moneys worth with a great warranty.
Eta that clip on is interesting. Looks like they go used for relatively cheap. Did you get a chance to try it on the g3?
What this thread really has me thinking is to get a G3 1-10 for both of my spr types and be done with it. Seems like a lot of scope for the money with no real downsides. They are popping up used in the 15-1600$ range. Buying vortex always makes me feel like I'm shopping at scopemart but they sure deliver your moneys worth with a great warranty.
Eta that clip on is interesting. Looks like they go used for relatively cheap. Did you get a chance to try it on the g3?
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I like how you think.
GM - I think you're right, the Gen III sounds like the best option on the market today for you. They are fantastic for the price.
I did not, SIMRAD is new (for me) and came after, it is my latest optic acquisition and my first true NV device - big, bulky, expensive but being able to see at night... priceless! I fear my NV and thermal endeavors will not end here
Those seem to go for 1.5-2k. I'd like some kind of clip on for longer range pid and shooting. The magnifiers are nice but the 10x is huge and obviously you can't shoot with them except for a laser.
The G3 is kind of the boring choice but has lots of upsides. Having the same scope on 2 rifles will also cut down on familiarization and training time.
Digiscope pvs14. 2nd is with 3x magnifier. Didn't note the phone magnification but probably around 3x. We've been using my wife's 14 which has 64 res. Mine is 76 res and I want to try it at some point.
The G3 is kind of the boring choice but has lots of upsides. Having the same scope on 2 rifles will also cut down on familiarization and training time.
Digiscope pvs14. 2nd is with 3x magnifier. Didn't note the phone magnification but probably around 3x. We've been using my wife's 14 which has 64 res. Mine is 76 res and I want to try it at some point.
Finally got mine, I now understood what is going on with the reticle misalignment, seemingly.
Basically due to a DFP design, each reticle will shift on different rates as you move your eye position. The shift isn't much but it's enough to cause the perception of misalignment. Since the camera is fixed and slightly not centered I would imagine this perception will only grow as the magnification level increases.
It might look bad on picture but in practice not so much, because human brain will naturally want everything centered. Like how you use iron sights, your brain will help you to position your eye to make the front post centered.
There might be more usages to a DFP design, I noticed that at 10x the top of the thick bottom cross arrives at 2mil mark at 10x but if you dial it back a bit you can make it so that it arrives at 2.8 mil (approximately, since now your magnification level has changed), which is based on my calculation the elevation for M855 at 500 yards. Like this picture:
I know you can use the elevation turret but I think using the lever is much faster. But this is all in theory. I haven't put this into practice so feedback and suggestions are welcome
That's a very interesting thought, align the magnification so the SFP ends up in a spot where you might hold for distance, I think there is some validity to this, let me think about it some more and possibly even put it into practice next time I'm out...
Yes. The USMC used a fixed power Unertal for years both on the M40 and Barrett 50. Qualification with the 40 was out to 1000 yards. When using the Barrett shots were taken well past 1000. The parallax on the Unertal could be adjusted but it was a pain. 10 power isn’t ideal but it can be used for distance. Technology has advanced to where we can now use 35 power scopes with ease. LPVOs have their place and are cool optics. Im sure I’m a few more years we will see this market push the limits of what can be done. We will see better light gathering, more mag and adjustable parallax in a more compact package.
Great review and comparison, thank you for going so in-depth! I'd agree also with the color choice on the Razors as it was something I couldn't figure out at all other than just to ID it immediately.
ATI just announced some new reticles for the SAI 6, they also announced a black version of the scope (Vortex, please take note )
armament.com
Last year it was rumored that SAI would come out with an SAI 8 1-8x24 model, but it's been nothing but crickets since then so it appears ATI will try to milk the SAI 6 for all its worth before they delve into the 1-8 market. That said, the SAI 6 is still a stellar 1-6 design at a great price and with these new updates make it even more appealing.
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SAI Optics™ Model SAI 6™ - Black
Armament Technology is the OEM Manufacture of Tangent Theta Riflescopes, Tenebraex Flip Covers and Accessories & Master Distributor for SAI & ELCAN. We are a major supplier to Defense Security & Sporting markets Globally.
armament.com
Last year it was rumored that SAI would come out with an SAI 8 1-8x24 model, but it's been nothing but crickets since then so it appears ATI will try to milk the SAI 6 for all its worth before they delve into the 1-8 market. That said, the SAI 6 is still a stellar 1-6 design at a great price and with these new updates make it even more appealing.
I will say, that was a kick-ass email to recieve this am!
Looking pretty hard at the bare mrad version...
Looking pretty hard at the bare mrad version...
Looks like a Reptilia...maybe?
I got the email on the SAI as well. Good on them for listening and making the MRAD reticle. Seems like a great option at their price point.
I think you're right, except the mount in the ATI ad has some knurled nut in front of the Tier One plate.... ???
Are you talking about the QD kit? https://tier-one-usa.com/products/qd-cantilever-monomount?variant=39580818440228 this can be fitted to their mono non-QD mount
That is exactly it, y'all are awesome. I'm going to send a pic of an old penny I found on the side of the road and I bet you all can figure out who dropped it and where it's been
I like that QD mount, anyone know if there is a Hide dealer who sells them here in the states?
I'll be bringing some of these new Black SAI MRAD optics in for guys looking. Pretty excited for this one.
If you'll spend more time at 1x I'd say Rapid, if more on 6x then plain... but I reserve the right to change my mind at a moments noticeRapid AimMRAD or plain MRAD?
Are the new reticles only available in black? Not seeing the MRAD option for the coyote scopes on their site.ATI just announced some new reticles for the SAI 6, they also announced a black version of the scope (Vortex, please take note
SAI Optics™ Model SAI 6™ - Black
Armament Technology is the OEM Manufacture of Tangent Theta Riflescopes, Tenebraex Flip Covers and Accessories & Master Distributor for SAI & ELCAN. We are a major supplier to Defense Security & Sporting markets Globally.
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Last year it was rumored that SAI would come out with an SAI 8 1-8x24 model, but it's been nothing but crickets since then so it appears ATI will try to milk the SAI 6 for all its worth before they delve into the 1-8 market. That said, the SAI 6 is still a stellar 1-6 design at a great price and with these new updates make it even more appealing.
Just got this email from Armament
I felt like writing them back saying, "What am I waiting for? I am waiting for your SAI 8 1-8 model to drop..."
I felt like writing them back saying, "What am I waiting for? I am waiting for your SAI 8 1-8 model to drop..."
I think we discussed this in the past, but there is no 1-8x SAI. I could never figure out how this rumor started, but it seems to persist.Just got this email from Armament
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I felt like writing them back saying, "What am I waiting for? I am waiting for your SAI 8 1-8 model to drop..."
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I guess I will be waiting a long time then. Way to burst my bubble ILya, a man can hope can’t he? How about a SAI 10 1-10, wait don’t answer that, I don’t want to know.
Guess I’ll find out. I just ordered one today with no RAF. I’m pairing it with a red dot so makes sense to have a cleaner reticle I think
If your load lines up with the BDC perfectly, is there any reason to not go with the BDC version?
77gr and 855 are both on the money for me using the elcan reticle in stelok for the SAI6
77gr and 855 are both on the money for me using the elcan reticle in stelok for the SAI6
How are you liking the SAI 6? I need to try a kahles, so that's on my list, but I think I might need to add this one also.
Next time a see a 1-6 cheap I’m gonna try one. Saw one in the PX but it looked half painted and well used.
