Can you upgrade or build a custom 10/22 that shoots like a KIDD?

HammerForged · Feb 24, 2024

I got to shoot a KIDD 10/22 at a long range class. Someone had just gotten it and got it out during break. I had already ordered a Vudoo barrelled action, but that was so much fun to shoot. Maybe the most fun I have had since I first went shooting in college with a Marlin semiauto 22. I have 10/22 rifles, but that thing stacked them in one ragged hole at 50 yards as fast as I could shoot it.

No news there. But can you build that kind of accuracy with KIDD or Volquartzen (sp?) Parts? Or will it never really function 100% as well?

oldrifleman · Feb 24, 2024

You can, it’s like building an AR, but easier. That said like a high quality AR some feel that last 10% comes with a fully matched set of parts. I have 2 ( or rather my son and daughter each have one I bought) Kidd Super Grades and the are flawless shooters, both have been customized to fit the will of the user.

Quick1 · Feb 24, 2024

I see this type of question a bunch, the question is why would you want to? If the answer is because you just like to tinker or build stuff, then great, have at it. If the answer is you are trying to get KIDD accuracy and quality on the cheap, then good luck, you get what you pay for. But KIDDs shoot the way they do and cost what they cost because as oldrifleman mentioned, you are getting matching parts from the same manufacturer which are being assembled by gunsmiths that know what they are doing. Buying a bunch of parts and putting them together may lead to a diamond that functions well and has great accuracy, but may also lead to nothing but a headache. For me, it is money well spent on a full KIDD build which will also have the support of the company if something does go wrong...that is why I have three of them.

Big Phish · Feb 24, 2024

I'd take my Ruger CSC since it be cheaper and not much needs to be done for a lot less money than Kidd. Nothing against Kidd though.

MarkCZ · Feb 24, 2024

Before going down the deep rabbit hole of building 10-22. Go to Kidd's web site, go to barreled action and build a rifle, and check the difference in the cost of building your gun. I did a complete barreled action $779.00, less the trigger. Now the big bite is the Kidd trigger, the 2 stage trigger start at $350. But, Kidd's 2 stage is the best 10-22 trigger made.
The Kidd rear anchor is the key to accuracy. The go to stock is a KRG Bravo, it works with the rear anchor. I have my SG in a Titan stock with Titan's rear anchor, that was before the Bravo.
If you go Kidd action go with the Supergrade.
Good luck

MarkCZ · Feb 24, 2024

If you want to build, a barrel is the start.

oldfatguy · Feb 25, 2024

My Kidd Super Grade is as accurate or better than my CZs bolt guns. And Kidd’s customer service is great.

OFG

jps2486 · Feb 25, 2024

Throw that cheap piece of junk Ruger in the river and just buy a Kidd if you must.

NewsShooter · Feb 25, 2024

I've built a few, I like to build stuff and they shoot very very well for a 10/22. Two I built two for nephews that I shot a test target for after mounting the scope on them. At 25 yards with about 6 rounds down the barrel to zero I shot the test target, they were both essentially five shots into one hole with CCI SV. The kidd difference would be the trigger biggest difference. I think they were about $700 with scopes, mounts, bipods and a hard case, but that was over 10 years ago.

They're easy to put together, while the tang is nice I made a rear anchor using the cleaning hole that indexed the receiver. Brownells recievers are the cheapest, or a used Ruger. I would use a Feddersen bronze for something different and one of his barrels. I used JWH bolts, I got the nephews initials on the bolt. I pout them in Raptor stocks for the boys, these days I'd use a chassis or a bravo, though the Titan isn't bad.

Lots of info on Rimfire central about building them.

Milo 2.5 · Feb 26, 2024

Big Phish said:
I'd take my Ruger CSC since it be cheaper and not much needs to be done for a lot less money than Kidd. Nothing against Kidd though.

In all honesty here, you most likely overpaid for what you have. Still a Ruger, any addons, your costs compound because of initial price.
I've had at least 5 of the hammer forged 20" Ruger target barrels and the wisest move for improved accuracy is an aftermarket barrel.
I don't own a Kidd SG, but have 2 reg models, first thing you notice is the lack of grinding sound when you rack the bolt, only gets better from there.

To the OP, you may not be like me, but if I shoot a semi rifle, it is always in my head that I have unlimited ammo in spare mags, and shoot accordingly. I limit my Kidd builds to 300 yards, even after ammo vetting, not that they can't do the job, I just have better platforms for the task.
Answer to your question, no doubt with trial and error you can build a rifle that duplicates Kidd performance. The path:

Big Phish · Feb 26, 2024

Milo 2.5 said:
In all honesty here, you most likely overpaid for what you have. Still a Ruger, any addons, your costs compound because of initial price.
I've had at least 5 of the hammer forged 20" Ruger target barrels and the wisest move for improved accuracy is an aftermarket barrel.
I don't own a Kidd SG, but have 2 reg models, first thing you notice is the lack of grinding sound when you rack the bolt, only gets better from there.

To the OP, you may not be like me, but if I shoot a semi rifle, it is always in my head that I have unlimited ammo in spare mags, and shoot accordingly. I limit my Kidd builds to 300 yards, even after ammo vetting, not that they can't do the job, I just have better platforms for the task.
Answer to your question, no doubt with trial and error you can build a rifle that duplicates Kidd performance. The path:
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Sounds like you have never seen nor taken a look at these Custom Shop Competition models at all and they are not the as the hammer forged barrel variety which I do own also. They are both totally different and I purchased mine for $717 and have beaten a couple fellers with Kidd SG. If money not an option then by all means get that Kidd as they are the best on the market but dammit I am not paying upwards 2k for them where I can get better bolt action for in that price range.

Milo 2.5 · Feb 26, 2024

Big Phish said:
Sounds like you have never seen nor taken a look at these Custom Shop Competition models at all and they are not the as the hammer forged barrel variety which I do own also. They are both totally different and I purchased mine for $717 and have beaten a couple fellers with Kidd SG. If money not an option then by all means get that Kidd as they are the best on the market but dammit I am not paying upwards 2k for them where I can get better bolt action for in that price range.

Sorry, I at times lump Ruger into a category. I've tried LVT, along with the old target models, and lately this one, 2024 US shooting team with an 18" target barrel, still a Ruger.

Rider47 · Feb 26, 2024

"the question is why would you want to?"
Yes - the answer may at least in part be you are a tinkerer/builder, but another great reason is PRICE.
I have built and compete with two different 10/22's, none of which are "Kidd rifles". One has the wonderful Kidd SS Match bull barrel, the other a VQ SS muzzle weighted barrel and both have the wonderful Kidd two-stage triggers. This is all you really need from Kidd. The receiver, bolt etc. can be anything from factory Ruger to custom - I have both, one is not better than the other. With the right ammo, my PRS/NRL/TBR rifle is astoundingly accurate (wins matches). My stocks are laminates bought in a close-out for $39.95 each. But I have epoxy bedded the actions using large 3/4" diameter aluminum pillars.

Big Phish · Feb 26, 2024

That’s the thing about 1022’s is you build it however you want on your mind or buy a complete. I have never come across a bad shooting 1022 yet with the right ammo. Kids look a trophy wife btw. Kidd has the best triggers bar none as have a single stage in my hammer forge and Timmy in my CSC in grey birch chassis.

Mark_Dorman · Feb 26, 2024

Considering the OP purchased a Vudoo Barreled action, I doubt cost savings is a big factor. I could be wrong though.

@HammerForged I'm assuming you're like me and just enjoy putting things together and customizing to your own tastes and preferences. Like most others have said here, you can definitely build a 10/22 that is as accurate (if not more accurate/precise) and just as reliable as a Kidd.

In my experience (and most others), the Barrel and Trigger will have the biggest impact on accuracy/precision. The receiver and bolt will greatly affect reliability but definitely have a hand in accuracy/precision. 10/22's can be finicky so the good receiver will ensure the mags are seated and aligned correctly and bolt design will play a role in feeding. I started with a crappy Faxon receiver on mine and can attest to the headaches of a poorly made receiver. Countless feeding issue and massive barrel droop were the biggest issues.

If you want a mostly Kidd rifle anyways, I would consider going with their barreled action like @MarkCZ said. If you want to spend a little less but have similar quality, there are other good receivers you can pair with a Kidd barrel (or you can go with something like a Shilen or Lilja if budget allows). I've been very happy with my CST Centrix-ELR Receiver, but plenty of people will vouch for the quality of Volquartsen and Tactical Solutions. I paired my CST receiver with my Kidd 20 inch bull barrel and it's worked perfectly for me since upgrading from the Faxon. In all honesty though, there really isn't a good reason not to just get the full Kidd Barreled Action and Trigger unless you want to try something different like I did.

Cowpokey · Feb 26, 2024

Big Phish said:
Sounds like you have never seen nor taken a look at these Custom Shop Competition models at all and they are not the as the hammer forged barrel variety which I do own also. They are both totally different and I purchased mine for $717 and have beaten a couple fellers with Kidd SG. If money not an option then by all means get that Kidd as they are the best on the market but dammit I am not paying upwards 2k for them where I can get better bolt action for in that price range.

You beat other shooters.

Your Ruger CSC isn't anything special, certainly not on par with an average Kidd...average being the key, sure there may be some Kidd rifles that are below average rifles, but I doubt there are many. On the other hand, I'm sure there are a few above average "Ruger CSC" rifles...again, "a few" being key...they are limited to the sum of their parts, even hand selected to be part of a "CSC" build they are still just factory parts, and there isn't a Ruger factory trigger ever produced that will come close to Kidd, or Volquartsen...then add in the bolts, receivers and barrels, you're not getting the cream of the crop rifle just because it came from the Ruger Custom Shop.

hlee · Feb 26, 2024

If you want a Kidd, buy a Kidd. If you like to diy, buy a Kidd, then buy a Ruger 10/22 to upgrade…

Big Phish · Feb 26, 2024

Cowpokey said:
You beat other shooters.

Your Ruger CSC isn't anything special, certainly not on par with an average Kidd...average being the key, sure there may be some Kidd rifles that are below average rifles, but I doubt there are many. On the other hand, I'm sure there are a few above average "Ruger CSC" rifles...again, "a few" being key...they are limited to the sum of their parts, even hand selected to be part of a "CSC" build they are still just factory parts, and there isn't a Ruger factory trigger ever produced that will come close to Kidd, or Volquartsen...then add in the bolts, receivers and barrels, you're not getting the cream of the crop rifle just because it came from the Ruger Custom Shop.

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Cowpokey said:
You beat other shooters.

Your Ruger CSC isn't anything special, certainly not on par with an average Kidd...average being the key, sure there may be some Kidd rifles that are below average rifles, but I doubt there are many. On the other hand, I'm sure there are a few above average "Ruger CSC" rifles...again, "a few" being key...they are limited to the sum of their parts, even hand selected to be part of a "CSC" build they are still just factory parts, and there isn't a Ruger factory trigger ever produced that will come close to Kidd, or Volquartsen...then add in the bolts, receivers and barrels, you're not getting the cream of the crop rifle just because it came from the Ruger Custom Shop.

again you don’t know everything you talking about. Ruger does take a casted standard receiver and cherry pick a receiver for the CSC instead mills entire out of bar stock. Whatever Kidd fanboy but your mind is made up about it. You are wrong on what babble about a Ruger product that sound like you have nothing but hate for them. Only thing I didn’t care for is their triggers as I mentioned in the posts way above that you didn’t want to read. Too bad you helpless know it all.

littlesister · Feb 26, 2024

HammerForged said:
I got to shoot a KIDD 10/22 at a long range class. Someone had just gotten it and got it out during break. I had already ordered a Vudoo barrelled action, but that was so much fun to shoot. Maybe the most fun I have had since I first went shooting in college with a Marlin semiauto 22. I have 10/22 rifles, but that thing stacked them in one ragged hole at 50 yards as fast as I could shoot it.

No news there. But can you build that kind of accuracy with KIDD or Volquartzen (sp?) Parts? Or will it never really function 100% as well?

Lots of replies to your OP but the simple answer is Yes. You can build a 10/22 that will outshoot a Kidd Supergrade or Volquartsen. I have owned several Supergrades and one Volquartsen. While they are very accurate It is possible to build a gun that will outshoot them. If you doubt what I'm saying, just give Joe Chacon of Autobenchrest Association a call. I use Kidd and Volquartsen reciever parts but not their barrels. Their barrels are not the most accurate 10/22 barrels made. I've used Shilens 16.5 twist 20 in stainless barrel with 20 degree crown on my last 2 builds but there are other barrel makers that also make more accurate barrels than Kidd or Volquartsen.

Tiger_Shilone · Feb 26, 2024

Big Phish said:
Ruger did NOT take a cast standard receiver and cherry pick a receiver for the CSC. Instead they mill a receiver entirely out of bar stock. (with an integral 30 moa extended scope base)

Corrected spelling as your original text was not understandable….

Thanks for the info, nice to see Ruger up their quality game with a decently milled receiver finally. Pretty decent write up at rfc:

https://www.rimfirecentral.com/thre...tition-tear-down-review-range-report.1153097/

As to the Op’s question—I like my Kidd supergrades accuracy to about 200 yds, then switch to a bolt action if going further as I personally do better with a bolt. Reliability is a whole different animal, my Kidds give me the least trouble of my 22 semi autos, but still have an unacceptable failure rate to me for match use.

Cowpokey · Feb 26, 2024

Big Phish said:
Ruger machine enn

again you don’t know everything you talking about. Ruger does take a casted standard receiver and cherry pick a receiver for the CSC instead mills entire out of bar stock. Whatever Kidd fanboy but your mind is made up about it. You are wrong on what babble about a Ruger product that sound like you have nothing but hate for them. Only thing I didn’t care for is their triggers as I mentioned in the posts way above that you didn’t want to read. Too bad you helpless know it all.

Your reading comprehension could use some work.

MPrimo · Feb 27, 2024

I built a 10/22 with all Kidd parts (barrel/bolt/trigger) in a Ruger action mounted a McRee chassis that has been exceptional for both accuracy and reliability. For reference, I have a Vudoo which shoots amazingly well but the Kidd 10/22 is not very far off of the Vudoo's performance.

Mark_Dorman · Feb 27, 2024

MPrimo said:
I built a 10/22 with all Kidd parts (barrel/bolt/trigger) in a Ruger action mounted a McRee chassis that has been exceptional for both accuracy and reliability. For reference, I have a Vudoo which shoots amazingly well but the Kidd 10/22 is not very far off of the Vudoo's performance.

That's lowkey a goal for my 10/22. I have a CZ and Vudoo and would love for it to get close to on par with them. Would be fun to run it in some competitions just for sh*ts and giggles. Just would want it to be able to perform decently well.

bnanaphone · Feb 29, 2024

TLDR; KIDDs are fun but get dirty fast and malfunction whereas a precision bolt action like Vudoo is tough to beat.

I will echo the common sentiment here to just buy a Kidd supergrade from them and rock on. A big part of the accuracy from their Supergrade builds use to be that they threaded the receiver and barrel for a perfect fit and eliminate barrel droop that can happen using the V-block.

The newest generation of Supergrade receivers have a longer barrel extension that supports the barrel significantly better compared to their standard receiver. I can't tell how the barrel is held in place but I am sure it is a clever clamping design for improved accuracy. That and their rear tang which gives you two points of contact for a better anchor in the stock/action contribute to the special sauce.

The two greatest downsides to any 10/22 clone/build are the rotary magazines and malfunction rate. I have had standard 10/22s and assembled my own KIDD rifle but they get dirty fast, especially if you shoot with a can, and start to malfunction once they are dirty. I noticed the rotary magazines start to have reliability issues as they age and the feed angle is not ideal for precision since they have a tendency to shave a bit off the bullet when fed into the action.

I own a Gen 1 Vudoo and couldn't be happier. I know slapping the trigger as fast as you want and hitting your target is fun but so is a first round hit at 150, then 200, then 300. A Vudoo doesn't malfunction easily and they suppress much better. The Vudoo offers a consistent reliability and precision the Kidd just can't match.

Rider47 · Mar 1, 2024

My 10/22 (Kidd barrel, Kidd trigger, Ruger receiver and bolt pillar bedded into laminate stock) almost never malfunctions. But I watch many, MANY Vudoo's on the line with feeding and extraction issues (so much for that stage - cry on the drive home). I have buddies who have repeatedly had to send their rifles back to Vudoo. The Vudoo's I've seen in PRS type competition do NOT match the reliability of a well-tuned 10/22. Vudoo wishes they had a magazine as functionally reliable as the Ruger 10-shot rotary design. (Google "Vudoo Magazine Modification") If you have a barrel properly sized and held in the factory type v-block, a threaded action and barrel are NOT needed in a 10/22. As for getting dirty, yes - depending on ammo - JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RIMFIRE. Not saying Vudoo's are bad rifles other than being overpriced, just trying keep the BS regarding 10/22's to a minimum. As for shooting a 22LR with a can - very Tacticool.

accurate obsession · Mar 1, 2024

Having been down this road already, I will basically to cut right to the point.
If you like to tinker, don't mind rolling the dice (on accuracy), and realize you're not going to save any significant money - go ahead and DIY 10/22.
If you want to shoot, order the Supergrade.

Rider47 · Mar 1, 2024

"you're not going to save any significant money"
Wrong
$1800 for a Supergrade?
If you can't build a well shooting 10/22 for significantly less than this, then buy one.
And any rifle will gamble on accuracy (barrelbarrelbarrel).
(I've seen some crappy shooting $3k Vudoo's!)

accurate obsession · Mar 1, 2024

Rider47 said:
"you're not going to save any significant money"
Wrong
$1800 for a Supergrade?
If you can't build a well shooting 10/22 for significantly less than this, then buy one.
And any rifle will gamble on accuracy (barrelbarrelbarrel).
(I've seen some crappy shooting $3k Vudoo's!)

Not knowing where the OP is really wanting to go with this leaves it wide open.
Is he buying a donor rifle and changing the barrel and a trigger kit (save a lot of money)
-or-
Buying a donor rifle and having the only thing left that is "Ruger" being the receiver and magazine. Because you're changing the barrel, bolt, trigger group(probably a Kidd), chassis, picatinny rail, springs, buffer, did I forget something? Not saving much money and rolling the dice on the outcome because rimfires are notoriously fickle.

NewsShooter · Mar 1, 2024

Rider47 said:
"you're not going to save any significant money"
Wrong
$1800 for a Supergrade?
If you can't build a well shooting 10/22 for significantly less than this, then buy one.
And any rifle will gamble on accuracy (barrelbarrelbarrel).
(I've seen some crappy shooting $3k Vudoo's!)

I'll sell one for $500, I've got 4 to choose from, only one has a ruger receiver.

. Feddersen and GM barrels, all shoot well. About the only improvement would be a kidd trigger.
I could buy the Feddersen Bronze nickel receiver/barrel and a kidd trigger, KRG stock and still be well under 1200 with those "premium" prices.

Mark_Dorman · Mar 1, 2024

Rider47 said:
My 10/22 (Kidd barrel, Kidd trigger, Ruger receiver and bolt pillar bedded into laminate stock) almost never malfunctions. But I watch many, MANY Vudoo's on the line with feeding and extraction issues (so much for that stage - cry on the drive home). I have buddies who have repeatedly had to send their rifles back to Vudoo. The Vudoo's I've seen in PRS type competition do NOT match the reliability of a well-tuned 10/22. Vudoo wishes they had a magazine as functionally reliable as the Ruger 10-shot rotary design. (Google "Vudoo Magazine Modification") If you have a barrel properly sized and held in the factory type v-block, a threaded action and barrel are NOT needed in a 10/22. As for getting dirty, yes - depending on ammo - JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RIMFIRE. Not saying Vudoo's are bad rifles other than being overpriced, just trying keep the BS regarding 10/22's to a minimum. As for shooting a 22LR with a can - very Tacticool.

I have a Vudoo and talk to a lot of forum members here and on RFC. Almost all of us will tell you the same thing about the magazines. As long as you load them correctly and have your mag catch adjusted properly, you'll have no issues. For quite a while this was a big problem because they are sensitive to pressure on them and require proper seating. People just didn't realize what was causing the issues and treated them like centerfire ACIS mags. I actually was originally planning on doing a RimX instead of a Vudoo because of the rumors about the magazine issues. Honestly it was just something people needed to figure out.

I agree people can be way too hard on the 10/22 for feeding reliability. I had major issues with mine for a while because I wasn't using a quality receiver. The second I upgrade that and had better fitment between everything (barrel, bolt, and receiver) my feeding issues went away. One of the reasons Kidd rifles are so reliable are because of all the tolerances between the parts being very good. You can do this without having a Kidd, but buying everything from them gives you a better chance at everything matching up well (or makes it easier).

bthor · Sep 22, 2024

Milo 2.5 said:
Sorry, I at times lump Ruger into a category. I've tried LVT, along with the old target models, and lately this one, 2024 US shooting team with an 18" target barrel, still a Ruger.

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Minuteman - Gotta ask - how accurate is that spiderman/olympic 31180 rife at 50 yards ? Currently on the fence on purchasing one. Side note - worked as a motor man out of Gillette in the 70's. Cured me from staying there in the winters. thx b

bthor · Sep 30, 2024

BUMP??

6.5SH · Sep 30, 2024

bthor said:
Milo 2.5

The Dalai Lama of the Reload
Minuteman - Gotta ask - how accurate is that spiderman/olympic 31180 rife at 50 yards ? Currently on the fence on purchasing one. Side note - worked as a motor man out of Gillette in the 70's. Cured me from staying there in the winters. thx b

need to use @ like this, @Milo 2.5

bthor · Oct 1, 2024

@Milo 2.5 ?? Question Minuteman - Gotta ask - how accurate is that spiderman/olympic 31180 rife at 50 yards ? Currently on the fence on purchasing one. thx bill

MajorD · Oct 2, 2024

bnanaphone said:
TLDR; KIDDs are fun but get dirty fast and malfunction whereas a precision bolt action like Vudoo is tough to beat.

I will echo the common sentiment here to just buy a Kidd supergrade from them and rock on. A big part of the accuracy from their Supergrade builds use to be that they threaded the receiver and barrel for a perfect fit and eliminate barrel droop that can happen using the V-block.

The newest generation of Supergrade receivers have a longer barrel extension that supports the barrel significantly better compared to their standard receiver. I can't tell how the barrel is held in place but I am sure it is a clever clamping design for improved accuracy. That and their rear tang which gives you two points of contact for a better anchor in the stock/action contribute to the special sauce.

The two greatest downsides to any 10/22 clone/build are the rotary magazines and malfunction rate. I have had standard 10/22s and assembled my own KIDD rifle but they get dirty fast, especially if you shoot with a can, and start to malfunction once they are dirty. I noticed the rotary magazines start to have reliability issues as they age and the feed angle is not ideal for precision since they have a tendency to shave a bit off the bullet when fed into the action.

I own a Gen 1 Vudoo and couldn't be happier. I know slapping the trigger as fast as you want and hitting your target is fun but so is a first round hit at 150, then 200, then 300. A Vudoo doesn't malfunction easily and they suppress much better. The Vudoo offers a consistent reliability and precision the Kidd just can't match.

Honestly I disagree with your first sentence- I have been shooting my Kidd - an average of a brick or so of ammo per month for 3 years since I put it together. Has run perfectly and I have disassembled it for cleaning - never. I lock the bolt back scrub the chamber and areas I can reach as best as possible and relubricate. I have seen lots of high end bolt guns like vudoo rim x and bergara choke at many matches.

To the OP’s question, I am not a tinker guy so for me Kidd was the easy button. It is of course possible to build a 10/22 with equivalent performance, but to get there you will end up spending a lot of time and money, getting real close to just buying a Kidd anyway.

bnanaphone · Oct 2, 2024

I should have included they get dirty fast (when suppressed), because that is mostly how I shot mine. And mine malfunctioned when dirty.

On the contrary, my Vudoo has never had a malfunction, suppressed or unsuppressed during competition.

My experiences may not mirror yours and that is fine.

oldrifleman · Oct 2, 2024

Shoot any Semi-Auto with a non-flow suppressor and it will get dirty, nature of the beast. Bolts are fine and great but if you want a semi-auto, you want an semi-auto not a bolt.

MajorD · Oct 2, 2024

bnanaphone said:
I should have included they get dirty fast (when suppressed), because that is mostly how I shot mine. And mine malfunctioned when dirty.

On the contrary, my Vudoo has never had a malfunction, suppressed or unsuppressed during competition.

My experiences may not mirror yours and that is fine.

Certainly adding suppression to the equation I can see how your experience did differ. I run mine without and haven’t had any issues.

ToddM · Oct 13, 2024

You absolutely can, but it might take 10 tries to get there or you might get lucky the first time. It's a parts lottery, and if you want to reduce the changes of failure or success in fewer attempts you end up spending a lot of money anyway. There are 10/22 super obsessed guys out there buying 10 barrels from Leija etc. keeping the two best performers and selling the rest, they do the same with bolts, they will buy and test dozens of mags from different batches to get the best seating/feeding, run custom wound recoil springs to control bolt speed for minimal bullet deformation, the list goes on etc. There's almost no end to the stuff guys have tried to tweak to get 10/22 to perform better.

I went down that route about 25 years ago, and then ran across a really good deal on a volquartsen deluxe with mcmillian stock, back when volqartsen was a new company. They used steel receivers with a threaded barrel interface and it shoots very well with a wide variety of ammo. I've thrown a couple Kidd barrels/bolts/triggers in old factory 10/22s over that time and they always shot well, but they won't shoot as well as the volqartsen will esp. across ammo brands/lots. It certainly will not keep up with the best groups we see from Vudoo/CZ etc. that are pretty consistently hitting 1 MOA at 100 now.

I think it's more a personality/time/money question. If you like to tinker and don't care that you might buy 5 of every 10/22 part to get to the goal with tons of $ spent on testing ammo and range days potentially in frustration, building can be fun. However it also can be miserably annoying. These days I value my time more and more, so I'm more likely to buy a known solution the first time than risk 0 exchanging a ton of time and frustration in hopes of saving some money. Not only that but that IMO that gamble is getting worse because since covid, even the best companies it seems have struggled to maintain quality control at high levels. Cutting corners to cut costs is now a reality in almost every industry.

Alabusa · Oct 13, 2024

1st step is to lose the barrel band and bed the barrel action interface.

Seymour Fish · Oct 15, 2024

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HammerForged said:
I got to shoot a KIDD 10/22 at a long range class. Someone had just gotten it and got it out during break. I had already ordered a Vudoo barrelled action, but that was so much fun to shoot. Maybe the most fun I have had since I first went shooting in college with a Marlin semiauto 22. I have 10/22 rifles, but that thing stacked them in one ragged hole at 50 yards as fast as I could shoot it.

No news there. But can you build that kind of accuracy with KIDD or Volquartzen (sp?) Parts? Or will it never really function 100% as well?

cheapest 10-22 you can find, send it to Randy at CPC. Done for 450$ total

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