Had to transition to Irons weak hand to get hits

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Noticed something odd during a night 2 gun this week. One stage had us engage 5 , 5x5 plates strong hand only from driver seat of a Jeep, then both hands from under the Jeep, then weak hand only from the hood using the engine for cover. Targets were maybe 10 yards away. I couldn’t hit shit weak hand with the red dot. Missed 5 of 5 attempts. I adjusted and used the irons and went 6 shots for 5 hits. WTF?

I have been wracking my brain as to why. I go into this knowing any of my assumptions could be wrong BUT if it was my grip I would think that would have also affected me with irons. All I can think of is

1) I was staring at the dot and though I see it on the targets maybe with my left eye it’s not

2) focusing on irons caused me to unintentionally adjust my grip or fix my wrist

3) this was PFM (pure fucking magic)

4) I have no idea

I won’t have time to get to the range for pistol for the next few weeks and I’d like to do some dry firing, but I’m not sure how or if this can be trained weak hand , dot only as my sight picture seemed no different than strong hand.

What’s the brain trust think was going on?
 
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FatBoy said:
I believe so. It happens fast, and I think before going to irons I took one shot left handed with right eye, but he majority were left/left.
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You will have a POI shift if you use your weak eye and focus on the dot. I bet that's what you did.

The fix isn't using irons. The fix is more dry and live fire transitions strong hand to weak hand with the dot.
 
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308pirate said:
You will have a POI shift if you use your weak eye and focus on the dot. I bet that's what you did.

The fix isn't using irons. The fix is more dry and live fire transitions strong hand to weak hand with the dot.
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Plan is to get out and put rounds on paper as soon as I can get out. I did this with my g17, irons, a few months back and my group shifted right with left hand/eye. Maybe 2-3”. I have not repeated this with the dot.

I want to dry fire, but my current line of thinking is I need to know where it’s hitting and practice with the proper hold off. Or, would dry firing practice get the POA/POI closer weak/weak? I don’t know what I can solve without actually knowing where POI is. Am I off base?

Regardless, I should be dry firing A LOT more. I did pretty good overall,(for me) but I did have a couple instances where I struggled to find my dot. I think this was straight up grip inconsistency.
 
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FatBoy said:
Plan is to get out and put rounds on paper as soon as I can get out. I did this with my g17, irons, a few months back and my group shifted right with left hand/eye. Maybe 2-3”. I have not repeated this with the dot.

I want to dry fire, but my current line of thinking is I need to know where it’s hitting and practice with the proper hold off. Or, would dry firing practice get the POA/POI closer weak/weak? I don’t know what I can solve without actually knowing where POI is. Am I off base?

Regardless, I should be dry firing A LOT more. I did pretty good overall,(for me) but I did have a couple instances where I struggled to find my dot. I think this was straight up grip inconsistency.
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You're overthinking this waaay too hard. Dominant eye has to be the one locked on target with the optic on its fov.
 
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308pirate said:
You will have a POI shift if you use your weak eye and focus on the dot. I bet that's what you did.

The fix isn't using irons. The fix is more dry and live fire transitions strong hand to weak hand with the dot.
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So for best results someone should try to always use their red dot with the eye they used to zero the red dot?

-Stan
 
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stanley_white said:
So for best results someone should try to always use their red dot with the eye they used to zero the red dot?

-Stan
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When you shoot two handed square to the target with both eyes open and focused on the target, the hands naturally align the pistol with the dominant eye.

The dominant eye sees the dot in front of it as well as the target. The non dominant eye only sees the target. The brain merges the image from the non dominant eye into the image from the dominant eye.

There is a lateral shift in the position of the pistol in relation to the target when the non dominant eye is the one that sees both the target and the dot and the dominant eye sees only the target or nothing.

Try it dry. You'll see....
 
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308pirate said:
When you shoot two handed square to the target with both eyes open and focused on the target, the hands naturally align the pistol with the dominant eye.

The dominant eye sees the dot in front of it as well as the target. The non dominant eye only sees the target. The brain merges the image from the non dominant eye into the image from the dominant eye.

There is a lateral shift in the position of the pistol in relation to the target when the non dominant eye is the one that sees both the target and the dot and the dominant eye sees only the target or nothing.

Try it dry. You'll see....
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Thank you!

-Stan
 
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