I purchased this sniper package that was used in Afghanistan. The sniper was offered the chance to buy it but declined. It was returned to Knights Armament for overhaul. When it became available I decided to purchase it.
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Purchased a Knights SR25 Sniper Package
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I know it saw combat but can't verify if it has bodies on it but from the info I got I think it does.
As for how much it cost let's just say it was very expensive. My info says their are only 50 of these packages in the US.
I'll let you know when I take it out when the weather cools of and I have a chance to take it out. I have an AIAW 2.0 unmolested. I'm curios if it shots any where as well as the AIAW shoots.
As for how much it cost let's just say it was very expensive. My info says their are only 50 of these packages in the US.
I'll let you know when I take it out when the weather cools of and I have a chance to take it out. I have an AIAW 2.0 unmolested. I'm curios if it shots any where as well as the AIAW shoots.
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Pretty sure there are some fellas on here that can point you in the right direction to do a FOIA request. Maybe at least get some history.
No.
Thes kits were specifically put together for the SEALS in Afghanistan about 2001.
They came with Obermeyer barrels.
A few were offered to the public at about $7KUSD.
I passed on a kit and just ordered a SR25 Light Wieght Match with 5R barrel directly from Knights with rings, 6 mags and cleaning rod for about $3400USD. I figured I didn’t need the Obermeyer barrel and I could purchase the correct Leupold scope and save a few K.
Stupid decision.
But the SR25 I have shoots great at 200 yds.
-Richard
Thes kits were specifically put together for the SEALS in Afghanistan about 2001.
They came with Obermeyer barrels.
A few were offered to the public at about $7KUSD.
I passed on a kit and just ordered a SR25 Light Wieght Match with 5R barrel directly from Knights with rings, 6 mags and cleaning rod for about $3400USD. I figured I didn’t need the Obermeyer barrel and I could purchase the correct Leupold scope and save a few K.
Stupid decision.
But the SR25 I have shoots great at 200 yds.
-Richard
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I saw a Seal SR25 Kit when I purchased mine. The entire SR25 was in the black and not camoed. It was already spoken for.
Does it have the older bolt-on brass deflector that was pre- Mk.11 Mod 0?
I see that it has the original slick CF handguard, not the quad rail, so it’s pretty old. Based on the markings and insignia on the operator’s manual, it looks like yours was a NSW SR-25.
There was another buy-back program for 86 SR-25s in 2003, where guys had the chance to purchase their actual SR-25 Sniper Rifle, but none of them came with the deployment cases or BII. They just were SR-25 rifles in cardboard boxes with all the BowFlage, different barrels that replaced the originals, different triggers, different handguards, stocks with dope cards laminated to them with dust and dirt all around the edges, foam cheek pieces, different pistol grips, etc. A few of them had the quad rails, but most were like yours with the slick handguard.
Very cool pieces of history that would do well with a nice wall display if you’re a collector. Congrats on that find.
I am not sure how rifles that were bought & paid for with tax dollars, end up being sold to civilians for ridiculous amounts of money? Is that money being put back into the defense budget?
If the military no longer needs them, they should be sent to CMP and raffled off to military veterans!
If the military no longer needs them, they should be sent to CMP and raffled off to military veterans!
The organizations that acquired them did so with funds that are not within the normal budget, and their rifles were replaced with new ones. The actual shooters who they were assigned to were given priority in purchasing, most of whom took advantage of that deal. Those who didn’t had their rifles purchased by other members of those units.
Yes It has the older bolt-on brass deflector that was pre-MK.11 Mod O. So what does that mean? and would you be so kind to tell me what does it mean that mine is a NSW SR-25. Thanks for all the information you supplied so far. I knew very little about these rifles so your post really helped understanding what I had purchased.
Those were SR-25 Match Rifles spec’d for certain SMUs within JSOC first, then SOCOM later. JSOC has several units on the Army side, while the Navy has one JSOC unit, and all of those units were the first to get SR-25s. White side SEALs and Army SF started getting them for SEAL Snipers and in very limited numbers as a special item of request by ODAs, when there were still several teething issues with the rifles. Army SF couldn’t get enough SR-25s for ODAs at the time, which is one of the reasons for their involvement in the SPR program.
The initial basic generational sequence for the military SR-25s goes like this:
SR-25 Match Rifle 1990-1994
Mk.11 Mod 0 (LW 20” target crown)
Mk.11 Mod 1 (LW 20” Flash Hider/threaded)
After a lot of feedback from Sniper sections within those JSOC SMUs on the SR-25 Match Rifles, they made the Mk.11 Mod 0 with the 20” barrel, integral flip-up front sight/gas block with suppressor QD interface, FF RAS quad rail, integral brass deflector in the upper, 600m Rear flip-up BUIS, Harris bipod with pod lock and KAC bipod rail-grabber, and a full deployment kit similar to the one you have. The main reason for going to the quad rail was to accommodate clip-on Thermals and Night Vision Devices in front of the day optic, as well as Laser Aiming Modules, sling swivel attachment, and rail-mounted bipod.
The armorer sections in the JSOC units provided very active support and modifications for the original SR-25 Match Rifles, namely frequent barrel replacements, trigger work, some handguard upgrades to early FF SR-25 RAS, pistol grip preferences, and subsonic/supersonic support.
Because of the shoot schedule in the units who actually shoot a lot, they went through barrels. I had a talk about all of this with one of the head armorers of that unit (who was there to pick up a few of the buy-back rifles), and he and his machinists had done all the work on the rifles. They used various match barrels available at the time, namely Krieger, Hart, Douglas, Obermeyer, Shilen, and some others. For the 86 buy-back SR-25 Match rifles we handled, they had varying barrel lengths from 24” to 20”. I remember checking each rifle as they came in to see what differences there were because of their uniqueness. There were a lot of SPR grips and LSO grips as well.
When the guys came to pick them up, I was able to ask them about some of the features, and a few talked about their dope cards and holds for initial subsonic, followed by supersonic loads for certain mission profiles. Most of the rifles looked like they had been to hell and back. One of the civilian armorer section/machinist/metallurgist technicians took advantage of the buy-back because the shooter didn’t claim his rifle, and he fully re-built it and coated it, CNC water-cut custom inserts for his Pelican case, and even made a custom FF RAS handguard for his from 2 different Quad-rail handguards by cutting and welding them together, then finishing them. You couldn’t tell, his work was so clean. This was pre-Cerakote, so he used some type of Dupont chemical Co. coating that was baked-on. It was better-finished than factory rifles easily.
Yours looks like it came from the Navy side though, not from the batch of rifles I’m talking about. None of the ones I transferred had Pelican cases/deployment kits, or any BII (Basic Inventory Items) that I remember. All of these rifles are very collectible and from a tiny window in time, with very limited production numbers. The guys from KAC might be able to tell you more about them.
Here’s a post from Kevin B. from KAC many years ago responding to questions someone had about a civilian SR-25 rifle they bought that had been altered:
The initial basic generational sequence for the military SR-25s goes like this:
SR-25 Match Rifle 1990-1994
Mk.11 Mod 0 (LW 20” target crown)
Mk.11 Mod 1 (LW 20” Flash Hider/threaded)
After a lot of feedback from Sniper sections within those JSOC SMUs on the SR-25 Match Rifles, they made the Mk.11 Mod 0 with the 20” barrel, integral flip-up front sight/gas block with suppressor QD interface, FF RAS quad rail, integral brass deflector in the upper, 600m Rear flip-up BUIS, Harris bipod with pod lock and KAC bipod rail-grabber, and a full deployment kit similar to the one you have. The main reason for going to the quad rail was to accommodate clip-on Thermals and Night Vision Devices in front of the day optic, as well as Laser Aiming Modules, sling swivel attachment, and rail-mounted bipod.
The armorer sections in the JSOC units provided very active support and modifications for the original SR-25 Match Rifles, namely frequent barrel replacements, trigger work, some handguard upgrades to early FF SR-25 RAS, pistol grip preferences, and subsonic/supersonic support.
Because of the shoot schedule in the units who actually shoot a lot, they went through barrels. I had a talk about all of this with one of the head armorers of that unit (who was there to pick up a few of the buy-back rifles), and he and his machinists had done all the work on the rifles. They used various match barrels available at the time, namely Krieger, Hart, Douglas, Obermeyer, Shilen, and some others. For the 86 buy-back SR-25 Match rifles we handled, they had varying barrel lengths from 24” to 20”. I remember checking each rifle as they came in to see what differences there were because of their uniqueness. There were a lot of SPR grips and LSO grips as well.
When the guys came to pick them up, I was able to ask them about some of the features, and a few talked about their dope cards and holds for initial subsonic, followed by supersonic loads for certain mission profiles. Most of the rifles looked like they had been to hell and back. One of the civilian armorer section/machinist/metallurgist technicians took advantage of the buy-back because the shooter didn’t claim his rifle, and he fully re-built it and coated it, CNC water-cut custom inserts for his Pelican case, and even made a custom FF RAS handguard for his from 2 different Quad-rail handguards by cutting and welding them together, then finishing them. You couldn’t tell, his work was so clean. This was pre-Cerakote, so he used some type of Dupont chemical Co. coating that was baked-on. It was better-finished than factory rifles easily.
Yours looks like it came from the Navy side though, not from the batch of rifles I’m talking about. None of the ones I transferred had Pelican cases/deployment kits, or any BII (Basic Inventory Items) that I remember. All of these rifles are very collectible and from a tiny window in time, with very limited production numbers. The guys from KAC might be able to tell you more about them.
Here’s a post from Kevin B. from KAC many years ago responding to questions someone had about a civilian SR-25 rifle they bought that had been altered:
"Organizations" are funded with Tax Payer Dollars, regardless of which "Budget" those dollars are coming from. As such those rifles should not be "Sold" to anyone, unless the funds from the rifle being sold are placed back into the same "Budget". Of course this brings up the issue of who and how is the sale price determined? If those funds are returned to the appropriate budget, then so be it. I have seen countless Tax Payer Dollars pissed and given away, to the benefit of certain people, but at the determent of many others.
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Thanks for sharing all of the information.
COTS (commercial off the shelf purchases) could come into play depending on the timeframe, the "organization/unit", and the funding streams.
I am old school 80s and 90s, during that timeframe we made several COTS purchases when warranted just prior to deployments. These were typically accessories/support items, however there were also some actual non NSN firearms purchased. I will also categorically deny making that statement!
Kevin B is a great source about many of the special programs. However, just consider once again, not everything was always run through the normal channels and procurement procedures.
I think because of how much wear-and-tear was on the rifles, they were depreciated from a DoD perspective, and sent back to the manufacturer who then replaced them with new rifles.
These wouldn’t be something just sent to DRMO or destroyed, like DoD does with USAF Colt 601s for example.
Well I finally got to shoot the SR25. I didn't have any 168 grain FGMM match to shoot so I shot my 168grain Sierra's which does really well on my AIAW. It took a while to get it sighted in but after sighted it in my best 5 shot groups averaged about 0.68 MOA. My major problem was the 10X Leupold scope. My old eyes really need a hight power scope. But it is what it is so I'll live with it.
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