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    While it's not the first time I have RO'd a match, this most recent time was nice mix of shooters. From established PRS Competitors to Military Teams, to newer shooters looking to gain experience. This does tie into the Contrived post I made, as this goes in the other direction.

    Watching every shooter solve a stage is very good way to look at matches. It's a deep dive into all sides of the match, from the perspective of the match director, what were they thinking, to the translation by the competitors, it gives a nice overview of where people stand in the competition world today.

    My first day stage was 3 targets inside 100 to be shot unsupported standing then movement to a position in order to engage a target across the valley at 730 yards.
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    The second day, it was a handgun stage, 3 targets 15 to 25 yards away, then movement to the same location to shoot a small target across the valley at 800 yards.
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    There was a nice variety of talent on the hill, so it was nice to every options tried.

    To me, it was about the process...

    From the moment you approach the Range Officer, to end of the stage, I want to see how you address your equipment, yourself, what is your process ? My basic observations from this point:

    98% don't have a process...

    Where does my rifle and pack go, most copied the guys in front of them. Several asked me, where do I put my rifle, and even more wasted about 40 seconds trying to decide.

    The lack of shooter education shows, the guys who constantly compete, they have a plan, some of them, the rest wing it as they go. Even in the team setting, who does what, why, and where will be position ourselves is lost on most. They get in each other's way.
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    It was crazy, one team, a very good team from the military, Tier One dudes, asked me some questions about the Kraft Quick Wind on Friday during my clinic, the next day on my stage they were talking to each other in MPH for the winds across the way. The answer after the first guy shot, 3 MPH coming from the left.

    I was actually very surprised by my observations in terms of the big picture. I expected my opinion to be smaller when you put rifle to target under the clock. In a way it has gotten no better, sure equipment has, the tripods are the real heroes today, as well as the calibers / cartridges that mitigate recoil.

    Other observations, using the bags on the tripod without either actually set correctly, meaning it falls off after the 1st or 2nd shot. As well the idea of going to the Game Changer when clipping in was available, using a good equipment, or putting the Game Changer on a ball head that pushes the bag off during recoil. If you look at the Apex of the tripods, the number of shooters who have their Apex completely out of whack was very high. As in, the legs are wildly out of shape causing the tripod to be off center.
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    Gear management was lacking in a big way, one of the military teams came through, the junior shooter needed in his bag right as he came to the line. He could not find what he was looking for, and I joked to the senior shooter, "Is he a PFC?" and the reply was, he acts like it. This was common, guys carrying too much gear, or not being able to access what they needed in time, on the clock or off.
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    This why contrived stages and match design hurts people in the long run. There is no real goal, they get to carry stuff any way they want, doesn't matter, unlike making guys start a stage the same way with gear stowed, and they deployed on the clock. it would create a method and process that doesn't exist today.

    When left on their own, people will trial and error anything, but when you create a system to educate, this stuff grows much faster, and with better results sooner. To me, this stuff has hit a plateau ... I think it has been watered down to the point the learning is over, now you are capped at the level of your equipment.
     
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    While it's not the first time I have RO'd a match, this most recent time was nice mix of shooters. From established PRS Competitors to Military Teams, to newer shooters looking to gain experience. This does tie into the Contrived post I made, as this goes in the other direction.

    Watching every shooter solve a stage is very good way to look at matches. It's a deep dive into all sides of the match, from the perspective of the match director, what were they thinking, to the translation by the competitors, it gives a nice overview of where people stand in the competition world today.

    My first day stage was 3 targets inside 100 to be shot unsupported standing then movement to a position in order to engage a target across the valley at 730 yards.
    View attachment 8534599The second day, it was a handgun stage, 3 targets 15 to 25 yards away, then movement to the same location to shoot a small target across the valley at 800 yards.
    View attachment 8534600There was a nice variety of talent on the hill, so it was nice to every options tried.

    To me, it was about the process...

    From the moment you approach the Range Officer, to end of the stage, I want to see how you address your equipment, yourself, what is your process ? My basic observations from this point:

    98% don't have a process...

    Where does my rifle and pack go, most copied the guys in front of them. Several asked me, where do I put my rifle, and even more wasted about 40 seconds trying to decide.

    The lack of shooter education shows, the guys who constantly compete, they have a plan, some of them, the rest wing it as they go. Even in the team setting, who does what, why, and where will be position ourselves is lost on most. They get in each other's way.
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    It was crazy, one team, a very good team from the military, Tier One dudes, asked me some questions about the Kraft Quick Wind on Friday during my clinic, the next day on my stage they were talking to each other in MPH for the winds across the way. The answer after the first guy shot, 3 MPH coming from the left.

    I was actually very surprised by my observations in terms of the big picture. I expected my opinion to be smaller when you put rifle to target under the clock. In a way it has gotten no better, sure equipment has, the tripods are the real heroes today, as well as the calibers / cartridges that mitigate recoil.

    Other observations, using the bags on the tripod without either actually set correctly, meaning it falls off after the 1st or 2nd shot. As well the idea of going to the Game Changer when clipping in was available, using a good equipment, or putting the Game Changer on a ball head that pushes the bag off during recoil. If you look at the Apex of the tripods, the number of shooters who have their Apex completely out of whack was very high. As in, the legs are wildly out of shape causing the tripod to be off center.
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    Gear management was lacking in a big way, one of the military teams came through, the junior shooter needed in his bag right as he came to the line. He could not find what he was looking for, and I joked to the senior shooter, "Is he a PFC?" and the reply was, he acts like it. This was common, guys carrying too much gear, or not being able to access what they needed in time, on the clock or off.
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    This why contrived stages and match design hurts people in the long run. There is no real goal, they get to carry stuff any way they want, doesn't matter, unlike making guys start a stage the same way with gear stowed, and they deployed on the clock. it would create a method and process that doesn't exist today.

    When left on their own, people will trial and error anything, but when you create a system to educate, this stuff grows much faster, and with better results sooner. To me, this stuff has hit a plateau ... I think it has been watered down to the point the learning is over, now you are capped at the level of your equipment.
    I’m guessing this was Maj Land Cup at Black Bear?
     
    I’ve made my best earnings on building processes for other people.

    It’s definitely something designed through failure.

    I’m sure the most experienced in any field make it look easy because they follow the process and have contingencies for the things they have seen before and can anticipate things yet to occur.


    I appreciate you sharing your observations from a SME perspective


    I sense another opportunity for a class. 😎
     
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    It’s not about a class, more about the lack of.

    I finalized the class that addresses this last week, we hit a nice format and system that I really liked.

    We had 10 guys out, handed them a packet to follow, score, retain, and I think it’s near perfect. It’s a process that identifies the individual issues and works to correct it. Super successful for us

    The thing with the Marc & Frank class, it’s near perfect for entry level and reinforcement of the fundamentals. For advanced shooters it can be repetitive. So playing off the strength of those classes I think I was able to form an advanced one with Chris that works across the board.

    It’s more dynamic for the shooter, but slower if needed.

    This I think is about best practices and content more than a class. A series of 2 minute videos can go a long way to educate.

    Gun Digest asked me to do another book, a Tips and Tricks version, this is more about that
     
    How you evaluated the processes of the teams and the successful habits vs the ones that always courted failure is very helpful. I’m a guy that enjoys working the process, and tuning it up after every use, including making educated guesses as to which apparent simplifications are highly likely to cause more problems. Please forgive the “English geek speak”, it’s just me trying to be precise about what I’m saying.
     
    The process is the trick, if you watch the better shooters they appear to move in slow motion. That is the process,

    The guys that flail around are hunting for a reason or at least the why, that is the missing element

    The fact nobody is speaking to the process is just an extension of the contrived nature of sport today
     
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    The process is the trick, if you watch the better shooters they appear to move in slow motion. That is the process,

    The guys that flail around are hunting for a reason or at least the why, that is the missing element

    The fact nobody is speaking to the process is just an extension of the contrived nature of sport today
    I’ve been running heavy equipment for a long time. Excellent operators look the same way; almost half asleep, no gross motor activity, finished sooner and do a better job.
     
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    I’ve been running heavy equipment for a long time. Excellent operators look the same way; almost half asleep, no gross motor activity, finished sooner and do a better job.
    Excellent comparison. Strive to run the stage like a seasoned excavator operator. Fluid, no wasted motion. The equipment is an extension of yourself. This description works with my brain too.