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This is the machining quality i speak of and my ears were ringing after shooting 5 rounds and was way louder than my SICO hybrid even though witt claims is quieter.
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This is the machining quality i speak of and my ears were ringing after shooting 5 rounds and was way louder than my SICO hybrid even though witt claims is quieter.
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This is the machining quality i speak of and my ears were ringing after shooting 5 rounds and was way louder than my SICO hybrid even though witt claims is quieter.
I would never trust a clamp on thread adapter how are you every gonna get it strait? no way in hell i would put my can on one.Wish I had seen this a week ago! Ordered a clamp on thread adapter from them. Sure hope it lines up better than that
P.S. You should still be wearing hearing protection
I would never trust a clamp on thread adapter how are you every gonna get it strait? no way in hell i would put my can on one.
Good to have you hear. One word of advice, DON'T go into the bear pit unless you have really thick skin.Hey guys, I’m new to the forum. This is actually the first forum I’ve ever been involved with. I do own a dirty 30 and clamp on threads (which I purchased to try on an old 30-30 bolt project). As far as my experience thus far, their stuff has exceeded my expectations for a $300 can, especially for the size.
Good to have you hear. One word of advice, DON'T go into the bear pit unless you have really thick skin.
Thanks. I’m not too worried about people’s opinions, they’re just as my own - opinions. I have an open mind to most things. I own high buck stuff and cheap stuff. I’m just offering what I can, my opinion. P.S. I don’t have much for feelings left to hurt.Good to have you hear. One word of advice, DON'T go into the bear pit unless you have really thick skin.
Welcome, you'll fit right in then.Thanks. I’m not too worried about people’s opinions, they’re just as my own - opinions. I have an open mind to most things. I own high buck stuff and cheap stuff. I’m just offering what I can, my opinion. P.S. I don’t have much for feelings left to hurt.
Yea quality like that is hard to overlook. Even the little things have to be right even if it is just aesthetics.View attachment 7228817
This is the machining quality i speak of and my ears were ringing after shooting 5 rounds and was way louder than my SICO hybrid even though witt claims is quieter.
Yea quality like that is hard to overlook. Even the little things have to be right even if it is just aesthetics.
I am as selective as anyone else regarding the companies I decide to do business with, and although I have read the bad reviews, after reading a bit about the Witt Machine history, I developed enough respect and confidence to make my decision and hoped that it won't happen to me.
Anyways, I received the parts I ordered in about 2 weeks. The muzzle brake looked fine but the muzzle clamp adapter came in with a surprising concentricity error between the threads and the hole of about 11.5 mils. Considering the questionable barrel alignment added by the clamp section and the resulting muzzle break tilt, the total error is very likely to lead to a bullet hit before leaving the assembly.
After attempting to install the muzzle clamp adapter on the rifle so I can measure the assy compounding concentricity error, to my surprise it did not fit onto the rifle barrel either. Even after reversing the clamping screws as instructed to open the clamp as much as possible and forced it in with a plastic mallet, the barrel stopped about half inch from bottoming out into the clamp adapter. The screw heads also rub into their seats stripping away the ceramic coating.
Before returning the product and add to the bad reviews I found on the exact same issue, I decided to further analyze these 2 issues and give Witt Machine a fair chance to fix them. I found that the barrel fit issue was a result of a fundamentally wrong way to measure the rifle barrel end section as instructed, which is not only insufficient to describe the true muzzle shape/geometry, but actually detrimental. Although not obvious to the naked eye, the end of the barrel on my Remington 700, and I suppose other rifles owned by so many of the people that report with similar complaints on being unable to fit these clamp-on adapters, is not exactly conical to only require 2 measurements (at muzzle end and 1.625" deep), but it is actually rounded off towards the end, creating a curved outline. That would require at least 3-4 measurements along the 1.625” barrel end section in order to properly describe the true muzzle shape.
So I decided to put in a few hours and made a detailed 3D CAD drawing to help us all solve this issue which I suspect is fairly common in barrel manufacturing, and hopefully improve their website measurement instructions to avoid encountering future issues for the benefit of their customers, but their company as well.
I emailed the drawing with my comments for review and asked for feedback and their input on solving this issue, but no reply. I pinged them again asking how they want to solve this issue after another week, but again -no answer. After 2 additional weeks -still no reply, so I decided to call the company and talked with a CR lady who didn't seem to be neither sympathetic towards the issue, nor interested in allowing me to have a constructive discussion with a technical person to whom I could present my analysis concluding that the WittMachine measurement method and instructions on their website lacks the necessary detail and leads to inaccurate characterization of certain kinds of barrel muzzle geometries. BTW, she said that they read and respond to all their emails. Right…
In spite of my insistent but polite efforts to make her understand that the improvements I am suggesting to their measurement method would correct the issues complained by so many customers in the bad reviews I have seen (which BTW I was cut off by her saying that it isn't true, but it's ok, I believe the countless online reviews and comments), minimize product returns and ultimately -not only significantly benefit us as customers, but the WittMachine company as well, the CR expressed no interest whatsoever. More than that, as she seemed to run out of patience, she told me to ship the part back (at my expense) for a refund, after which the call was cut short with a quick thank you then she hung up before I could even respond with a customary greeting.
Obviously, I can't tell if this level of rare disinterest for constructive dialog with a customer who is willing and even inviting to do just that is a general company lack of regard, or if it comes from this employee's single ended decision or lack of interest in personal involvement -fact about which the company might not even be aware of, the bottom line is that I am very disappointed with the experience and I will never order from this company again, nor I advise anyone to do that.
Given the experience, I am not even going to send the part in for refund because at this point I am not sure how this could end. I own a lathe and decided to take a stab at fixing this myself rather than pay return shipping and continue to deal with this company any further.
I just picked up my naughty nine suppressor after a 6 month wait.
Its going on a 16" 6.5 saum hunting rifle, looks pretty slick and built like a little tank but they sent me one with 1/2x28 threads when I ordered 5/8×24
I got a reply right away when I sent an email to them, they're going to re-core it and send it back.
Hope to have it by the end of next week,
I'll post my experience with it
I had a very similar frustrating experience with Witt Machine and concentricity issues - even on the remake of my clamp on threaded adapter.
Tried calling and emailing - No Response. I finally just sent it back with a note asking for a refund along with my phone number - again, No Response and no refund!!
They make hi temp loctite.The heat won't melt it?
Welp I was pleasantly surprised. My brake arrived in just about 2 weeks from the day I ordered it. No slag that I could see in the ports.Man..
Wish I would have seen this before I placed my order. Ready to be disappointed I guess.
Hopefully if need be my credit card company will bail me out... Need be.
Here is a review of some suppressors from Witt machine. They do reduce the sound signature, so I guess they are- technically- suppressors, but they're not making the gun anywhere near hearing safe...
Do you have the SME How affective does it reduce recoil? How much longer is it then say the average muzzle brake?I have 2 of their muzzle brakes. They are well made. I called to order one of them. The call was answered right away and the guy on the line was polite and professional. I would try one of their cans.
I'm up to 3 of their brakes. 2 clamp on and one threaded. The brakes are 2 to 2.5 inches long.Do you have the SME How affective does it reduce recoil? How much longer is it then say the average muzzle brake?
How do you think it would do on a 6.5 Creedmoor lite contour barrel?They make hi temp loctite.
I'm having good luck with my naughty nine suppressor on my precision bolt guns.
If I were to do it over though I'd have gone with a 6-7" can from another manufacturer, the 4" witt machine can doesn't do a whole lot on magnums
Well that can has been retired to 22 lr use, I tried to put her to good use on an AR9 but it's laughable how little difference it makes.How do you think it would do on a 6.5 Creedmoor lite contour barrel?
Nowhere near as good as a can from a competent, reputable company.How do you think it would do on a 6.5 Creedmoor lite contour barrel?