Custom Action - tikka footprint

The Ultimatum Defacto was a Tikka footprint. That was a bit of a disaster, not the action just the company/owners at the time. I have one in 223, I enjoy the rifle, but it doesn't do anything better than any other action, or better than a Tikka for that matter.
 
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My question... Why? The 700 footprint is infinite in stock/chassis options and accessories (triggers, bases, etc...). Why not just stick with something practical and proven instead of limiting yourself to an extreme niche, with a minimum of options and aftermarket support?
 
My question... Why? The 700 footprint is infinite in stock/chassis options and accessories (triggers, bases, etc...). Why not just stick with something practical and proven instead of limiting yourself to an extreme niche, with a minimum of options and aftermarket support?
Only thing that's proven with a 700 is its faulty trigger design. spend enough time in the woods you know better than to trust a 700 trigger. unless you live under a rock you'd know there's plenty of aftermarket support for tikka.
 
Only thing that's proven with a 700 is its faulty trigger design. spend enough time in the woods you know better than to trust a 700 trigger. unless you live under a rock you'd know there's plenty of aftermarket support for tikka.
Spend a little time learning how 700 triggers work and how to tune them yourself, and buy a quality one, and you likely won’t have an issue. But by all means, enjoy your handicapped platform and mediocre factory actions. 😂👍🏼
 
Spend a little time learning how 700 triggers work and how to tune them yourself, and buy a quality one, and you likely won’t have an issue. But by all means, enjoy your handicapped platform and mediocre factory actions. 😂👍🏼

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What’s odd? Shit happens, to EVERY brand. Especially when getting ran hard in comps. Even your precious Tikka trigger is going to fail at some point.

But the way you worded it, you made it sound like the 700 design is flawed, and the Tikka trigger design is superior, which is not the reality. All triggers can, and will, fail under hard use, at some point.
 
But the way you worded it, you made it sound like the 700 design is flawed, and the Tikka trigger design is superior, which is not the reality.
the Tikka trigger IS superior. The 700 trigger IS flawed. The former is designed for killing russians in the tundra while the later is prone to slamfires, binding up in the dust and freezing up in the cold.

again,crawl back under your solus bridge, this thread is for ppl that like triggers that go bang
 
the Tikka trigger IS superior. The 700 trigger IS flawed. The former is designed for killing russians in the tundra while the later is prone to slamfires, binding up in the dust and freezing up in the cold.

again,crawl back under your solus bridge, this thread is for ppl that like triggers that go bang
I'm glad I actually understand how triggers work, and can afford aftermarket triggers, and put them in my guns, instead of relying on clunky factory junk. And that I don't repeat stupid quips I saw on Reddit in an attempt to sound witty. You probably also proudly supported Ukraine thinking they were innocent victims being picked on by mean old Putin, and believed that Covid was from some Chinaman who ate an undercooked bat in a Wuhan street market too, huh? 🤣 Then again, you are proud to own a Tacoma, so... 🤡

Enjoy your Sam's Choice Sako. I'll be sure to keep enjoying my "cheap junky" Solus rifles that shoot 0.3 MOA. 🤣😂🤣

Have fun with your thread. But it's funny how butthurt yall get and how sensitive yall are when someone mentions the pitfalls of the Tikka rifles and platform, compared to the vastness of the 700's aftermarket support. Also, I never once said they were bad rifles, or talked shit about them. I just simply asked the OP a legit question, and you got butthurt. You're the only one coming in hot, and running that cockholster about other people's choices, so you might want to look in a mirror.
 
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I'm glad I actually understand how triggers work, and can afford aftermarket triggers, and put them in my guns, instead of relying on clunky factory junk. And that I don't repeat stupid quips I saw on Reddit in an attempt to sound witty. You probably also proudly supported Ukraine thinking they were innocent victims being picked on by mean old Putin, and believed that Covid was from some Chinaman who ate an undercooked bat in a Wuhan street market too, huh? 🤣 Then again, you are proud to own a Tacoma, so... 🤡

Enjoy your Sam's Choice Sako. I'll be sure to keep enjoying my "cheap junky" Solus rifles that shoot 0.3 MOA. 🤣😂🤣

Have fun with your thread. But it's funny how butthurt yall get and how sensitive yall are when someone mentions the pitfalls of the Tikka rifles and platform, compared to the vastness of the 700's aftermarket support. Also, I never once said they were bad rifles, or talked shit about them. I just simply asked the OP a legit question, and you got butthurt. You're the only one coming in hot, and running that cockholster about other people's choices, so you might want to look in a mirror.
I know Tikkas keep you up at night with their superior triggers from the factory but you really should get some rest for work tomorrow, those crunchwrap supremes aren't gonna make themselves
 
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I know Tikkas keep you up at night with their superior triggers from the factory but you really should get some rest for work tomorrow, those crunchwrap supremes aren't gonna make themselves
Says the guy who constantly trashes a rifle he’s never actually seen or shot in person…It’s laughable at this point. Unlike you, I’ve actually handled and shot numerous Tikkas, including several T3X, and high-end Tac series. I watched a T3X Tact A1 a few weeks ago at the range hit, miss, hit, miss a full-size D28 torso @ 300 yards with proven handloads, a proven scope, and a proven shooter behind it. That’s some quality, right there…👌🏼 🤣😂🤣

The circus men’s room is awaiting your arrival to service the line at the glory hole. 🤡
 
There is probably 3 reason why you hear way more R700 triggers going down than Tikka triggers in the US:
  1. There are more R700 triggers in use than Tikka triggers. Very obvious.
  2. There are way more R700 after market triggers than Tikka. Some very reliable, some not so much. Sometimes one trigger brand that does not work gets way more attention than the other 10 that does. Very obvious.
  3. Not so obvious. There are way more R700 triggers that are used in tough competition conditions. A competition trigger is a whole different animal than a standard trigger like the Tikka. To get a trigger down to 4oz requires a trigger mechanism that is way more complex, which reduces the reliability potential. I know of very few competition Tikka triggers. In short, to really determine which has the most reliable trigger, one has to compare R700 and Tikka triggers that are in the same weight class.
 
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There is probably 3 reason why you hear way more R700 triggers going down than Tikka triggers in the US:
  1. There are more R700 triggers in use than Tikka triggers. Very obvious.
  2. There are way more R700 after market triggers than Tikka. Some very reliable, some not so much. Sometimes one trigger brand that does not work gets way more attention than the other 10 that does. Very obvious.
  3. Not so obvious. There are way more R700 triggers that are used in tough competition conditions. A competition trigger is a whole different animal than a standard trigger like the Tikka. To get a trigger down to 4oz requires a trigger mechanism that is way more complex, which reduces the reliability potential. I know of very few competition Tikka triggers. In short, to really determine which has the most reliable trigger, one has to compare R700 and Tikka triggers that are in the same weight class.
It’s good to see some logic being brought into the conversation. 👍🏼
 
There is probably 3 reason why you hear way more R700 triggers going down than Tikka triggers in the US:
  1. There are more R700 triggers in use than Tikka triggers. Very obvious.
  2. There are way more R700 after market triggers than Tikka. Some very reliable, some not so much. Sometimes one trigger brand that does not work gets way more attention than the other 10 that does. Very obvious.
  3. Not so obvious. There are way more R700 triggers that are used in tough competition conditions. A competition trigger is a whole different animal than a standard trigger like the Tikka. To get a trigger down to 4oz requires a trigger mechanism that is way more complex, which reduces the reliability potential. I know of very few competition Tikka triggers. In short, to really determine which has the most reliable trigger, one has to compare R700 and Tikka triggers that are in the same weight class.

Valid points but it sure seems like a lot of TT primarys and specials have issues as well. The only issue I've ever heard of with tikka triggers is that the single screw that holds them in place loosens up if people take them off and then dont torque them tight enough or use locktite.
 
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Valid points but it sure seems like a lot of TT primarys and specials have issues as well. Plenty of oThe only issue I've ever heard of with tikka triggers is that the single screw that holds them in place loosens up if people take them off and then dont torque them tight enough or use locktite.
The TT Primary and Special to the best of my knowledge uses the exact same mechanism as the Diamond that can go down to 4oz. I think they probably only increased the sear engagement and made the springs stiffer.

I agree with you that the simple two bar trigger design of the Tikka, coupled with the fixturing screw is as simple and reliable as it gets, but the down side it is very difficult to get a single stage trigger like that down to competition level weight.

To put things in perspective, assuming both rifles uses a 26lb spring, then a 4oz trigger needs to reduce that force 104x to get down to 4oz, where the other rifle with a 2lb trigger only have to reduce the force 13x. That means a competition trigger must reduce the force 87.5% more than a standard trigger. To do that requires a lot more mechanical engineering gymnastics.
 
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