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Stupid gop. Keep your mouth shut another month. Now Brandon will pardon her.
Knowing this was coming is the whole reason she was actively campaigning for Harris. She kissed the Dem ring, she will be protected.
On top of that, a House committee referral to FBI for investigation at this point in time proves Liz is protected by the GOP old guard as well. They just tipped their hand, deliberately, to give Biden cause and excuse to run the pardon for the entire J6 House committee in advance of Trump’s folks coming into control.
It’s foolish to believe anything will come of this at all.
On top of that, a House committee referral to FBI for investigation at this point in time proves Liz is protected by the GOP old guard as well. They just tipped their hand, deliberately, to give Biden cause and excuse to run the pardon for the entire J6 House committee in advance of Trump’s folks coming into control.
It’s foolish to believe anything will come of this at all.
This pardoning stuff is out of control just like everything else in the Biden crime administration; it’s adding to the anarchy.
If you look at the definition of pardoning, it is always tied to a crime or offense that was committed; the commission of the crime or offense is not in question, it’s an assumed fact. Technically, in my opinion, which doesn’t matter to the criminals in charge, you can’t pardon someone for a crime they are not convicted of.
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And yes, the GOP is run by idiots too.
If you look at the definition of pardoning, it is always tied to a crime or offense that was committed; the commission of the crime or offense is not in question, it’s an assumed fact. Technically, in my opinion, which doesn’t matter to the criminals in charge, you can’t pardon someone for a crime they are not convicted of.
Definition of PARDON
indulgence; the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty; a release from the legal penalties of an offense… See the full definition
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And yes, the GOP is run by idiots too.
I'm still expecting Kamala to take over to give Joe his pardon.
I think if he wants that, he'd play the pardon himself game. If he relinquished expecting a pardon, she'd renege on it out of spite. I really do think they fucking hate each other and have zero trust between the two of them. Deservedly so.
They used each other. Then she stabbed him in the back. They definitely deserve each other. Besides, neither truly cares about the country.
Stupid or complicit? Nobody's that fucking dumb, not even the GOP.
If a Democrat pardons a Cheney I'm pretty sure there will be a tear in the space/time continuum somewhere.
It's never about the country for dems over the last 40 years (maybe even 60 going back to LBJ, but I give Carter a slight benefit of doubt), they would literally wipe their ass with the Constitution if they could get away with it. It's always about control.
Why? She's the princess of the uniparty and essentially a dem herself, same as her father. See my post above for reasons.
The RINOs take care of their own.
Let them go ahead and set new standards for pardons. 2 can play at that game and we may need to use that in a few years to get some things done. What does it matter? They already do lots of illegal stuff all the time. We have a chance to fundamentally change government and we actually have some people who have the power AND want to do it.
Trump should give 1000 people blanket pardons for the next 4 years and fucking turn them loose.
After an openly criminal regime called the Biden Administration highjacked the government for four years, raking in millions of taxpayer money and doing irreparable damage to the U.S. they change the pardon rules. But not before the Bidens and other criminals are allowed to just walk away with their pardons, and taxpayer's millions.
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This type of injustice makes me very angry, but I tend to calm down when I remember they might walk away from this and think they are getting away with it and they are for now, but they will walk right into judgement one day and be counted with the goats who eventually walk into eternal damnation. They will not outrun justice.
You don’t believe that do you? Rules on paper, they’re all subject to change. Or ignored. Or erased.
uh scotus said immune in their official capacity as President. Joe was money laundering and racketeering and all kinds of RICO while VP.
hes rife for prosecution
This is how I know you didn’t actually read the majority opinion.
If Biden pardons the J6 committee, then it should be open season on pardons for anybody with anything to do with J6 when Trump takes office.
I actually don’t think he will pardon her. Biden has an enormous ego. He didn’t even want to burn political capital to pardon his son until he had no choice, and don’t forget that pardon was just as much about protecting himself. What does he stand to gain by protecting Liz Cheney? I think he’ll let her burn because she is a “Republican” and he’s been a Dem for 40 years.
I actually don’t think he will pardon her. Biden has an enormous ego. He didn’t even want to burn political capital to pardon his son until he had no choice, and don’t forget that pardon was just as much about protecting himself. What does he stand to gain by protecting Liz Cheney? I think he’ll let her burn because she is a “Republican” and he’s been a Dem for 40 years.
True. Not much that can or will be done about it, so we may as well use it and reforming it all may well require it. Yes they are super criminals but the only way we have any chance to do anything about it is to remake government, which we can and may need this new idea of pardon power to do because they will absolutely come after us for doing it if we do anything meaningful.
I think he will. She made that deal when she went out and did a 180 on everything she'd said and done her whole life on the campaign trail for that brainless kamala.
The republicants will. They are going to be "outraged" at what this regime has done and will pass a bill to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again.
also don't forget, that sham committee was run by the Dems. She may have altered testimony and tampered with a witness specifically, but all of them on that committee are guilty of crimes.
Biden will pardon all of them. if not, id go grab one of them, cut a deal to testify against the others and watch them all tumble.
It's exactly the opposite of what you think. By accepting a pardon, you are admitting guilt to the crime, even if you've not actually been tried, or even charged for the crime. Accepting a pardon before you've been charged or convicted can bite you on the ass.This pardoning stuff is out of control just like everything else in the Biden crime administration; it’s adding to the anarchy.
If you look at the definition of pardoning, it is always tied to a crime or offense that was committed; the commission of the crime or offense is not in question, it’s an assumed fact. Technically, in my opinion, which doesn’t matter to the criminals in charge, you can’t pardon someone for a crime they are not convicted of.
Definition of PARDON
indulgence; the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty; a release from the legal penalties of an offense… See the full definition
And yes, the GOP is run by idiots too.
Do you think that the person actually cares? We're not talking about people with high morals.
I strongly encourage you to reread section III A of the majority opinion with specific attention paid to the concepts of “outer perimeter”, the restriction on courts to inquire as to a president’s motives, and the idea that illegality does not make an act unofficial. No president, sitting or “ex” will be prosecuted for anything as long as this SCOTUS’ opinion stands.
Regarding Biden’s actions as VP (or senator before that) there’s no political will to follow that lead. As much as the current punditry likes to bluster about the coming storm of prosecution, ASGH. As they say.
SCOTUS set up that perimeter(if I remember correctly) to prevent frivolous litigation from being used to circumvent executive privilege.
Whatever about Liz Cheny... but how in the world did she commit a criminal act? That doesn't make sense.
I believe it was coaching and/or tampering with witnesses and withholding evidence.
If she is convicted it might lead To the overturning of all the J6 farce convictions. Have to get a lawyer to chime in. But seems to me that none of it can be trusted if she tampered the evidence.
Sirhr
Also destroying government records.
Lots of shady / criminal shit went on in /with the Jan 6 Comm.
The 50 mil. question is ............will Pam Bondie prosecute...........I ain't holdin my breath
Evidence tampering destruction and or manipulation. Also 1984 deprivation of rights charges - knowing the truth having the evidence and hiding / destroying it so a prosecution can happen .
Yeah, that would all make sense. The real problem has been the constant Lawfare that’s been engaged in both directions… Especially coming out of the far left
the witness tampering is what they pre-dawn raided Roger Stone for, and he wasn't on a government committee that would make it even worse.
destroying evidence is an add-on also
that's why they tried to sneak this into the cr bill. they could deny or block any subpoenas for incriminating evidence.
