What's your strategy for buying Ammo?

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    #1
    And by this question, I mean, "Are you concerned at all about the Feds being able to track your gun/ammo purchases via Credit/Debit card usage" (ie. those little merchant codes)? 2025 is, more than likely for me, going to be more of an "ammo" year than a gun year. I may get some accessories and/or parts, but mostly I'm looking at beefing up ammo inventory. And, while I'm pretty sure I can stay away from ammo sources in Kommiefornia (where they're doing all sorts of crazy "shiznit," - I don't like that because I can get some good deals from there), still, I wonder about federal efforts and whether or not the dealers/mfgrs. are getting pressure to use those codes. I'm not sure what the status of those fed based laws are at present. and I'm also not sure what will happen once Pres. Trump takes office. Will the Federal effort stop, or are they just going to do it any way even after being told it's "illegal/unconstitutional?" The Feds are notorious for that.

    So how will you get your ammo in 2025? Of course, the safest way would be to go to a local store and buy it, paying cash. But that's kinda hard to do given how much those merchants mark up ammo, as well as having boxes of 1000 rounds available for sale to one specific buyer. And one loses out on all the ammo deals available "on-line" (which I track via AmmoSeek.com every week for the calibers that interest me).

    Are you guys going to wait and see what happens with Trump, or just go ahead and get what you need when you need it, not caring about how the sales are being tracked)? I wish there were ways we could get around those codes, but I don't know if that's possible. I'd imagine the feds would be on to any "trickery" a merchant attempts to disguise ammo/gun sales under a different merchant name or the like. And some merchants just don't care. They'll do it "in defiance" of the feds and expect you to go along for the ride. Can't go with them... Sorry.

    What say you, then? What's your strategy for buying ammo (and guns) in 2025 and avoid being tracked?
     
    #3
    Number one, you can have Joe's Guns and Bulk Ammo put whatever codes they want into the Point of Sale machine. Such as you can buy an 8lb jug of thyme or other cooking herbs (and it would be coded as such). Those classifications are totally optional for the vendor. Unless they change that aspect of it and criminalize computer based labelling then their system could be totally screwed.

    Hell, the gun shop could in theory have a few bouquets of fake flowers with price tags on them and when you get checked out it will show up as 12 bouquets of artificial display flowers. Unless that part is criminalized it can be defeated in a ton of ways, that said they can't just criminalize part of it, not that they won't try. There is a huge gap in this type of system which was never designed to do what they are wanting it to do. Plus any type of effort in this regard would require absolute control of all card processing.

    First rule is to know who you are doing business with. If you call up your guy and buy $1,200 worth of fishing bait but a few cases of 9mm show up, you can try to make sure they have a system like that in place. Again, though, they could (and are) trying to classify ammo as either an illegal or restricted item, which is a whole different story. If you try to purchase certain types of allergy medicine, even over the counter stuff, if you try to put in a constant or bulk order it will be flagged. This has been the case for decades. Why? Because gangs extract certain ingredients from those products in order to make meth.

    As for me, my goal is to have a lifetime supply of primers.
     
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    alamo5000 said:
    Number one, you can have Joe's Guns and Bulk Ammo put whatever codes they want into the Point of Sale machine. Such as you can buy an 8lb jug of thyme or other cooking herbs (and it would be coded as such). Those classifications are totally optional for the vendor. Unless they change that aspect of it and criminalize computer based labelling then their system could be totally screwed.

    Hell, the gun shop could in theory have a few bouquets of fake flowers with price tags on them and when you get checked out it will show up as 12 bouquets of artificial display flowers. Unless that part is criminalized it can be defeated in a ton of ways, that said they can't just criminalize part of it, not that they won't try. There is a huge gap in this type of system which was never designed to do what they are wanting it to do. Plus any type of effort in this regard would require absolute control of all card processing.

    First rule is to know who you are doing business with. If you call up your guy and buy $1,200 worth of fishing bait but a few cases of 9mm show up, you can try to make sure they have a system like that in place. Again, though, they could (and are) trying to classify ammo as either an illegal or restricted item, which is a whole different story. If you try to purchase certain types of allergy medicine, even over the counter stuff, if you try to put in a constant or bulk order it will be flagged. This has been the case for decades. Why? Because gangs extract certain ingredients from those products in order to make meth.

    As for me, my goal is to have a lifetime supply of primers.
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    I know. Ephedrine products ( Original Sudafed, Claritan D, etc.). I've had to show ID to get those and can't get more than a certain amt.

    I guess I hope I find merchants that are willing to sell me those flowers and pack the ammo anyway. But I can't imagine the Feds not getting wise to that after a bit. Just like I don't think they'll allow everything to be called "sporting goods." "My, but you're selling a lot of tents, lately!"

    We'll see. Hopefully Trump can get all this quashed. But the question remains, will the feds and merchants continue to do it anyway? Did making "gun owner databases" illegal stop the Feds from continuing to make gun owner databases?
     
    #7
    I don't worry much. I figure the 4473 sorta screwed any chance of being incognito. Not to mention the Form 4's.

    I try to keep enough ammunition or components on hand to burn out 2 barrels of any firearm I have so I have lots of ammo and components. I continue to buy more ammo and components when the price is right or I just can't resist the urge to try something else or I buy a new firearm.

    I listened to Army Jerry.
     
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    jamesd said:
    Visa gift card
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    That is exactly what I do. I keep my daily credit card intentionally capped at a certain amount because over the last 2 years there had been 2 attempts to scam my shit, which the bank notified me and I promptly had the cards locked and new ones sent. If someone IS successful at it one day, hey, more power to you buddy, help yourself to the few Happy Meals you are able to get out of it. Everything else that I purchase online that exceeds the cap? VISA gift card in the exact amount or near it's range...
     
    #20
    Just buy ammo at the best deals you can. They already know who you are, and that would be They with a capital T. You have guns? You can bet your bottom dollar someone somewhere knows about you. Just buy what you can and stock up, then use a little creative thinking and you can find a way to squirrel it away in multiple places. Keep your powder dry…
     
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    Stevo86 said:
    You must be a fed!!!
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    alamo5000 said:
    Number one, you can have Joe's Guns and Bulk Ammo put whatever codes they want into the Point of Sale machine. Such as you can buy an 8lb jug of thyme or other cooking herbs (and it would be coded as such). Those classifications are totally optional for the vendor. Unless they change that aspect of it and criminalize computer based labelling then their system could be totally screwed.

    Hell, the gun shop could in theory have a few bouquets of fake flowers with price tags on them and when you get checked out it will show up as 12 bouquets of artificial display flowers. Unless that part is criminalized it can be defeated in a ton of ways, that said they can't just criminalize part of it, not that they won't try. There is a huge gap in this type of system which was never designed to do what they are wanting it to do. Plus any type of effort in this regard would require absolute control of all card processing.

    First rule is to know who you are doing business with. If you call up your guy and buy $1,200 worth of fishing bait but a few cases of 9mm show up, you can try to make sure they have a system like that in place. Again, though, they could (and are) trying to classify ammo as either an illegal or restricted item, which is a whole different story. If you try to purchase certain types of allergy medicine, even over the counter stuff, if you try to put in a constant or bulk order it will be flagged. This has been the case for decades. Why? Because gangs extract certain ingredients from those products in order to make meth.

    As for me, my goal is to have a lifetime supply of primers.
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    This right here.

    Buy 700 dollar bouquet of roses, and the 300 rounds of 7 PRC that came with it is a gift. As of right now, there is no ATF transfer form for ammo because the ammo is not a firearm.

    A good way to fix Commifornia is for the residents of that state to immediately recall Newsom and others like him. I was born in LA and lived near the Navy's Port of Los Angeles and then later near the Navy's Port of San Diego (my 1st step-father was a second class boiler tech aboard the USS Ogden.)

    We lived there until 1974 and moved to Texas, where my mother and grandmother were from.

    Anyway, so, I am ashamed of how that state has been acting. I keep hearing there are a lot of conservatives in Cali. Prove it.
     
    #27
    Meh, just dribs and drabs. Take the long road to goals. Bureaucrats, laziness, and budgets mean any random appearing loser will be generally ignored. For example, my $0 net worth puts me in the ignore category. A few bottles or 6 packs a month on the visa and I am invisible.
     
    #28
    Fx51LP308 said:
    My FFL doesn't do ammo like that... not for his clients... maybe for himself. For ammo, I go to AmmoSeek.com and work directly with the merchants on there that give me the best deal.
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    You need a new FFL

    Mine works like this: I send him the best price from ammo seek and somehow he always beats them. Shipping and tax included.

    Find one of those kitchen table FFL’s they need the sales.
     
    #39
    375fan said:
    If what I want is available , then it"s buy buy buy. Cash, cc, or check. Getting what I want. I don't worry about being on lists as I and most of you are already on list too.
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    Yes, I know we are all on "the list." The question now becomes, "what makes one of us stand out in a crowd on that list?" How much can I buy in one order that wouldn't be "noticed" and action taken (i.e. an ATF visit)? Can I buy 1000 rounds per order safely? And do that, say, twice a month or so?

    This is what I'm trying to figure out. And was wondering how you all would do it.
     
    #41
    kenny1773 said:
    You post openly on a GUN forum about buying ammo, but yet it is your visa purchases that concern you?

    Some of you have really strange thought patterns


    You want privacy, get the fuck off the internet and don't own a cell phone, until then, you are pissing into the wind

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    That’s why we use avatars and pseudonyms so they can’t figure out who we are🤣
     
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    Fx51LP308 said:
    Yes, I know we are all on "the list." The question now becomes, "what makes one of us stand out in a crowd on that list?" How much can I buy in one order that wouldn't be "noticed" and action taken (i.e. an ATF visit)? Can I buy 1000 rounds per order safely? And do that, say, twice a month or so?

    This is what I'm trying to figure out. And was wondering how you all would do it.
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    Your annual limit for pistol ammo (such as 9mm) is 355 rounds. For black rifle ammo, you can only buy 224 rounds. Exceeding those numbers gets you on the standard Domestic Terrorist List. Buying any amount of 762x39, 6Dasher, or 357SIG gets you a spot on the Rahtard List.

    Either list is fed (ha, get it?) to the Chinese with the assumption the CIA will intercept the data. Then, the CIA groomers come grooming you (they have the best shampoos and conditioners) to perpetrate the next big shooting.

    Above all this is the Unnamed List. It’s only for mouth-breathers who buy AK’s, SKS’s, and Mosin-Nagants. This list is so secret nobody talks about it. You didn’t hear this from me.

    Some people will tell you it’s not how much or how often you buy ammo but the stupid shit you say at the checkout counter that gets you on The List. They’re just the poors who can’t afford all that high-dollar shit.

    And, I once heard that PayPal will report “solvent trap” purchases, to include the name/credit card info, to the Feds. Those folks are the ones that get snatched in the night by the black helicopters and sold into sex slavery at PDiddle’s mountaintop villa. At least 984 ppl a day suffer that fate.

    Just keep this between us.
     
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    Skunk said:
    Your annual limit for pistol ammo (such as 9mm) is 355 rounds. For black rifle ammo, you can only buy 224 rounds. Exceeding those numbers gets you on the standard Domestic Terrorist List. Buying any amount of 762x39, 6Dasher, or 357SIG gets you a spot on the Rahtard List.

    Either list is fed (ha, get it?) to the Chinese with the assumption the CIA will intercept the data. Then, the CIA groomers come grooming you (they have the best shampoos and conditioners) to perpetrate the next big shooting.

    Above all this is the Unnamed List. It’s only for mouth-breathers who buy AK’s, SKS’s, and Mosin-Nagants. This list is so secret nobody talks about it. You didn’t hear this from me.

    Some people will tell you it’s not how much or how often you buy ammo but the stupid shit you say at the checkout counter that gets you on The List. They’re just the poors who can’t afford all that high-dollar shit.

    And, I once heard that PayPal will report “solvent trap” purchases, to include the name/credit card info, to the Feds. Those folks are the ones that get snatched in the night by the black helicopters and sold into sex slavery at PDiddle’s mountaintop villa. At least 984 ppl a day suffer that fate.

    Just keep this between us.
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    This is how you Bear Pit!
     
    #47
    buffalowinter said:
    I have an FFL, I have NFA Registered weapons, I have a Concealed Carry permit, I've purchased firearms on a Form 4473, I post on Sniper's Hide. The ATF is well aware of me.
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    Samesies. Havent been worried about if Im going to end up on "a" list, as Ive put myself on most of them already.

    I'm kinda starting to think of it as backwards double jeopardy, wherein Im on so many, the risk cancels out :ROFLMAO:
     
    #49
    Skunk said:
    Your annual limit for pistol ammo (such as 9mm) is 355 rounds. For black rifle ammo, you can only buy 224 rounds. Exceeding those numbers gets you on the standard Domestic Terrorist List. Buying any amount of 762x39, 6Dasher, or 357SIG gets you a spot on the Rahtard List.

    Either list is fed (ha, get it?) to the Chinese with the assumption the CIA will intercept the data. Then, the CIA groomers come grooming you (they have the best shampoos and conditioners) to perpetrate the next big shooting.

    Above all this is the Unnamed List. It’s only for mouth-breathers who buy AK’s, SKS’s, and Mosin-Nagants. This list is so secret nobody talks about it. You didn’t hear this from me.
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    Hmmmph... Nice try. Thankfully, my BS Meter got a quick "Bear Pit" upgrade. :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO:

    Skunk said:
    Some people will tell you it’s not how much or how often you buy ammo but the stupid shit you say at the checkout counter that gets you on The List. They’re just the poors who can’t afford all that high-dollar shit.
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    Not an issue for me because I buy ammo "on-line." There is no "checkout counter."
     
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