Tariff impact on vendors

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I am guessing the cost of equipment and clothing made in China is going to skyrocket after Jan 20th. Brands like Kuiu could be greatly impacted, no? Are there alternatives to brands like them and Sitka that are good for PRS and other competitive shooting?
 
Until the dust settles you got two options:

-buy it new now
-buy it used

If the tariffs do go through prices will probably increase to what the market can bear. Note, just because something is made in the US doesn’t mean the raw materials to make it are, everyone to some degree has exposure to this issue.
 
Trump’s tariffs pushed the price of certain products up - which allowed my company to quit buying Chinese generator enclosures and build our own for the same money. We bought equipment and hired more employees to make it happen. 100% “cause and effect” positive results of tariffs.

Americans (myself included) need to make “buy American products” a higher priority than price of the product.
 
@lariat is not wrong.

I knew a guy working at a company in my county where they made controls like thermostats. I say made but that is a loosely used term.

Parts from Mexico and China would arrive at the factory and he would assemble them together and put on a sticker that said "Made in the USA."
 
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@lariat is not wrong.

I knew a guy working at a company in my county where they made controls like thermostats. I say made but that is a loosely used term.

Parts from Mexico and China would arrive at the factory and he would assemble them together and put on a sticker that said "Made in the USA."
This is exactly what is happening. Especially within the DoD with respect to chips and other items. Yes, some components require DFARS or Berry compliance, but not all.

For other items there is no real source for components other than the West’s adversaries. The drone industry in particular is dealing with this. China recently slapped one major player pretty hard in this regard. When you add in their restrictions on rare earth minerals it starts to get really important on a cost basis for multiple industries that will begin to affect everyone. The most immediate way around this is what no one wants to consider: mining for minerals on both public and private land in the name of national security. Prices will go up as a result; the ROI has to be there. The only real alternative to this will be subsidies, but prices will still be affected. The fact that the US is losing influence in Africa vis BRICS only adds to the resource pressure.

Some companies have moved to Vietnam and Mexico because they have lower costs than China in some instances, but it takes time to get those supply chains established, etc.
 
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I am guessing the cost of equipment and clothing made in China is going to skyrocket after Jan 20th. Brands like Kuiu could be greatly impacted, no? Are there alternatives to brands like them and Sitka that are good for PRS and other competitive shooting?
Origin or FORLOH

Though I don’t see the point in limiting yourself to hunting gear for PRS. I’m sure you could get away with some Wrangler Riggs, a random cotton shirt and Costco jacket and be fine.

You could always waste money on Crye Precision. Supposedly all USA made.
 
Origin or FORLOH

Though I don’t see the point in limiting yourself to hunting gear for PRS. I’m sure you could get away with some Wrangler Riggs, a random cotton shirt and Costco jacket and be fine.

You could always waste money on Crye Precision. Supposedly all USA made.
You didn’t get the memo? The prize table is a fashion show runway now.
 
I thought sponsor jerseys look like trash…haha
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Origin or FORLOH

Though I don’t see the point in limiting yourself to hunting gear for PRS. I’m sure you could get away with some Wrangler Riggs, a random cotton shirt and Costco jacket and be fine.

You could always waste money on Crye Precision. Supposedly all USA made.
TBH, I wear cheap shorts and a t-shirt at most matches, and use old mountain bike knee pads. The only time I use higher end gear is when it’s cold, windy and raining/snow. I learned my lesson at a NRL match that was a weather nightmare. My ECWS jacket from the military started leaking at the seams after six hours of driving rain, so paying for comfort in those conditions became a priority. Dickies jackets from Walmart doesn’t really cut it.
 
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Trump’s tariffs pushed the price of certain products up - which allowed my company to quit buying Chinese generator enclosures and build our own for the same money. We bought equipment and hired more employees to make it happen. 100% “cause and effect” positive results of tariffs.

Americans (myself included) need to make “buy American products” a higher priority than price of the product.
unbelievable the people that don't get this, all you hear is "my chinese made products are going to cost more" fucking idiots. Congratulations on your company doing well , hopefully more will follow suit shortly
 
There are literally hundreds of mines in the US that are in mothballs and hundreds of other projects that are sitting due to red tape. A streamlined permitting process and a change in US Heavy Industry policy would open many of them. Tariffs would open many more.
 
There are literally hundreds of mines in the US that are in mothballs and hundreds of other projects that are sitting due to red tape. A streamlined permitting process and a change in US Heavy Industry policy would open many of them. Tariffs would open many more.
In these parts they are sealing them and drilling methane taps to burn off for green bucks to sale.
As in making it twice as hard to reopen.
Shot, directional drilling, in power for a site recently.
CA company builds the sites and sells the carbon bucks to the companies that need them.

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I'm all for reducing the cost of business by reducing red tape, frivolous law suits and excessive taxes.

But tariffs are a net loss, drives up inflation and lowers the standard of living, then American businesses invest during that short honeymoon before the demand for higher wages to keep up with inflation. We can't bitch about inflation and then get excited about tariffs.

Also, all countries will benefit from tariffs on China. So we make companies in Canada, Mexico and Europe bigger competition as well.

The last batch of tariffs line up with an increase in the national trade deficit. We bought even more foreign product.
 
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I'm all for reducing the cost of business by reducing red tape, frivolous law suits and excessive taxes.

But tariffs are a net loss, drives up inflation and lowers the standard of living, then American businesses invest during that short honeymoon before the demand for higher wages to keep up with inflation. We can't bitch about inflation and then get excited about tariffs.

Also, all countries will benefit from tariffs on China. So we make companies in Canada, Mexico and Europe bigger competition as well.

The last batch of tariffs line up with an increase in the national trade deficit. We bought even more foreign product.
The goal is to level the playing field and put Americans to work - instead of continuing to build China’s economy.
 
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The goal is to level the playing field and put Americans to work - instead of continuing to build China’s economy.
I understand the marketing pitch, I just don't think it does that. Probably in targeted areas like how. China artificially lowers the cost of solar panels and EV cars. But in general manufacturing their cost of labor is the difference. Also, Americans may want to complete in areas like computer chips, but we have to buy the raw materials from China.

 
I understand the marketing pitch, I just don't think it does that. Probably in targeted areas like how. China artificially lowers the cost of solar panels and EV cars. But in general manufacturing their cost of labor is the difference. Also, Americans may want to complete in areas like computer chips, but we have to buy the raw materials from China.

How would YOU suggest we get our manufacturing base back to compete with Chinese slave labor? It’s a 100% certainty that the cost of goods will be higher. But the benefits will way outweigh the costs.
 
How would YOU suggest we get our manufacturing base back to compete with Chinese slave labor? It’s a 100% certainty that the cost of goods will be higher. But the benefits will way outweigh the costs.
First, we don't need to return to manufacturing, or any other specific industry, we need to be stronger in the global marketplace, grow our economy, and raise the wages and standard of living for the middle class.

Start with a good trade balance. If we collect tariffs and then have to subsidize the industries we export, like agriculture, it doesn't work out as a net gain. We need hard negotiating, not hard lines that tie our negotiators' hands or force them to fight battles they can't win.

There are areas where we can and do excel against China, here are some of the industries where we export billions to China each year.

Rely on what they need from us to make sure they back off flooding the markets on things we CAN make, and stop worrying about industries where we can't complete. A lot of the children of steelworkers will need to train for another career. The days of getting out of High School and getting a union job because your Dad works at the factory are over. Has been for 40 years.

Stop pretending it's the 1950s and local manufacturing in all industries will work. We live in a global economy where you can buy a $5 item on Amazon that will ship from China to your door and be profitable for the vendor. American companies, to be competitive, have to source raw materials and finished goods at the best price. America will never compete in manufacturing for items like shoes, clothes, microwaves, and toasters. Our labor is too high and regulations/law suites keep our workers away from toxic chemicals and unsafe practices. We don't want to strip apart old batteries for raw materials or be around some industrial chemicals common overseas, let Asia do that.

What America is more than anything else is the market for goods sold. - we need to strengthen that! So fight corporate greed, much of the inflation for food over the past years was caused by food manufacturers increasing prices and making record-high profits. We need policies that force companies to take care of their workers and not just the stockholders and Executives at bonus time.

In the 1950's Executives made 5x-20x more than the average worker, now it is hundreds or thousands of times more. If Elon Musk couldn't get a 50 billion bonus without an equal share to his workers we wouldn't have such a divide between the ultra-rich and middle class. The ultra-rich hoard money, most of the upper and middle class spend most of what they take in and the poor spend everything they get. Catering to the world's richest people is dumb, putting 14 billionaires in the cabinet is a formula for richer billionaires and poorer middle-class workers.

Make it so workers get a fair share of the profits they help their companies generate and it will grow the economy and increase quality of life standards because they will spend money stimulating economic growth. That keeps us the destination for the most capable people in the world and gives us negotiating power, as the manufacturing countries need a place to sell to.

Our economy is more about tech jobs, developers, architects, engineers, and tech support than ironworkers and shoemakers. Make sure we assemble the cars, make the machines that do so, write the code that runs them, service the machines when they break, and remain the creative force in the world with great ideas and innovation. With those high-paying jobs, they will support the middle-class local jobs, and we will be stronger.
 
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First, we don't need to return to manufacturing, or any other specific industry, we need to be stronger in the global marketplace, grow our economy, and raise the wages and standard of living for the middle class.

Start with a good trade balance. If we collect tariffs and then have to subsidize the industries we export, like agriculture, it doesn't work out as a net gain. We need hard negotiating, not hard lines that tie our negotiators' hands or force them to fight battles they can't win.

There are areas where we can and do excel against China, here are some of the industries where we export billions to China each year.

Rely on what they need from us to make sure they back off flooding the markets on things we CAN make, and stop worrying about industries where we can't complete. A lot of the children of steelworkers will need to train for another career. The days of getting out of High School and getting a union job because your Dad works at the factory are over. Has been for 40 years.

Stop pretending it's the 1950s and local manufacturing in all industries will work. We live in a global economy where you can buy a $5 item on Amazon that will ship from China to your door and be profitable for the vendor. American companies, to be competitive, have to source raw materials and finished goods at the best price. America will never compete in manufacturing for items like shoes, clothes, microwaves, and toasters. Our labor is too high and regulations/law suites keep our workers away from toxic chemicals and unsafe practices. We don't want to strip apart old batteries for raw materials or be around some industrial chemicals common overseas, let Asia do that.

What America is more than anything else is the market for goods sold. - we need to strengthen that! So fight corporate greed, much of the inflation for food over the past years was caused by food manufacturers increasing prices and making record-high profits. We need policies that force companies to take care of their workers and not just the stockholders and Executives at bonus time.

In the 1950's Executives made 5x-20x more than the average worker, now it is hundreds or thousands of times more. If Elon Musk couldn't get a 50 billion bonus without an equal share to his workers we wouldn't have such a divide between the ultra-rich and middle class. The ultra-rich hoard money, most of the upper and middle class spend most of what they take in and the poor spend everything they get. Catering to the world's richest people is dumb, putting 14 billionaires in the cabinet is a formula for richer billionaires and poorer middle-class workers.

Make it so workers get a fair share of the profits they help their companies generate and it will grow the economy and increase quality of life standards. That keeps us the destination for the most capable people in the world and gives us negotiating power, as the manufacturing countries need a place to sell to.

Our economy is more about tech jobs, developers, architects, engineers, and tech support than ironworkers and shoemakers. Make sure we assemble the cars, make the machines that do so, write the code that runs them, service the machines when they break, and remain the creative force in the world with great ideas and innovation. With those high-paying jobs, they will support the middle-class local jobs, and we will be stronger.
You know why this ^^^ is funny?


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First, we don't need to return to manufacturing, or any other specific industry, we need to be stronger in the global marketplace, grow our economy, and raise the wages and standard of living for the middle class.

Start with a good trade balance. If we collect tariffs and then have to subsidize the industries we export, like agriculture, it doesn't work out as a net gain. We need hard negotiating, not hard lines that tie our negotiators' hands or force them to fight battles they can't win.

There are areas where we can and do excel against China, here are some of the industries where we export billions to China each year.

Rely on what they need from us to make sure they back off flooding the markets on things we CAN make, and stop worrying about industries where we can't complete. A lot of the children of steelworkers will need to train for another career. The days of getting out of High School and getting a union job because your Dad works at the factory are over. Has been for 40 years.

Stop pretending it's the 1950s and local manufacturing in all industries will work. We live in a global economy where you can buy a $5 item on Amazon that will ship from China to your door and be profitable for the vendor. American companies, to be competitive, have to source raw materials and finished goods at the best price. America will never compete in manufacturing for items like shoes, clothes, microwaves, and toasters. Our labor is too high and regulations/law suites keep our workers away from toxic chemicals and unsafe practices. We don't want to strip apart old batteries for raw materials or be around some industrial chemicals common overseas, let Asia do that.

What America is more than anything else is the market for goods sold. - we need to strengthen that! So fight corporate greed, much of the inflation for food over the past years was caused by food manufacturers increasing prices and making record-high profits. We need policies that force companies to take care of their workers and not just the stockholders and Executives at bonus time.

In the 1950's Executives made 5x-20x more than the average worker, now it is hundreds or thousands of times more. If Elon Musk couldn't get a 50 billion bonus without an equal share to his workers we wouldn't have such a divide between the ultra-rich and middle class. The ultra-rich hoard money, most of the upper and middle class spend most of what they take in and the poor spend everything they get. Catering to the world's richest people is dumb, putting 14 billionaires in the cabinet is a formula for richer billionaires and poorer middle-class workers.

Make it so workers get a fair share of the profits they help their companies generate and it will grow the economy and increase quality of life standards because they will spend money stimulating economic growth. That keeps us the destination for the most capable people in the world and gives us negotiating power, as the manufacturing countries need a place to sell to.

Our economy is more about tech jobs, developers, architects, engineers, and tech support than ironworkers and shoemakers. Make sure we assemble the cars, make the machines that do so, write the code that runs them, service the machines when they break, and remain the creative force in the world with great ideas and innovation. With those high-paying jobs, they will support the middle-class local jobs, and we will be stronger.
God Damn - you sound just like a vaccinated leftist….
 
What is "Made in America"

I've been in the Mfg business in the past. Your computer chip (Intel) can be built in the US. Packaged in the Phillipines, Asembled in China.
Your Hard drive is probably Mfg in the US and Mexico, assembled in Costa Rica, Packaged in India.
Its not an easy problem to solve as supply chains are long and complicated.

I dunno if tariffs are the answer (as I have read history and usually it ends badly), but whatever we are doing now ain't working so there is also that. (Warning I'm a free trade kinda guy, so yup I'm a commie--but "Free" trade has to work both ways--looking at you China)