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TheOE800 · Wednesday at 9:06 PM

Federal T308T and LE308TTMK2 are king shit of .308 turd mountain, no? 0.48 and 0.452 BC respectively for those playing the home game.

Multiple boxes of T308T, this one is the worst I have. The best from the same lot is tighter with under 40fps ES and 10.1fps SD. Too poor for LE308TTMK2 though.

Nik H · Wednesday at 9:10 PM

BurtG said:
Amax blows smk out the water

In BC and effects on living targets

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I'll have to try it. The stats look good but how is the consistency measured on a chronograph?

TheOE800 said:
Federal T308T and LE308TTMK2 are king shit of .308 turd mountain, no?

I plan to check out the T308T using my new XERO. The other one is designed for barrier penetration. It can penetrate windows and not alter its trajectory. It is not what I would use for demonstrating precision.

I will also test some Berger and a few others

TheOE800 · Wednesday at 9:11 PM

LE308TTMK2 is not what I’d use for precision shooting, but great for two legged critters behind glass or otherwise.

BurtG · Wednesday at 9:14 PM

Nik H said:
have to try it. The stats look good but how is the consistency measured on a chronograph?

Haven’t chronographed.

HKSniper11B · Wednesday at 9:28 PM

TheOE800 said:
Federal T308T and LE308TTMK2 are king shit of .308 turd mountain, no? 0.48 and 0.452 BC respectively for those playing the home game.

Multiple boxes of T308T, this one is the worst I have. The best from the same lot is tighter with under 40fps ES and 10.1fps SD. Too poor for LE308TTMK2 though.

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Federal T308T is also next to try on my list, for my AT308s with LW 1:12 barrels. Its the most stable round that has the greatest BC. Most Hornady rounds just won't fully stabilize with a 1:12 twist and their BC/performance is being neutered from the lack of gyroscopic spin. This gives me more confidence in turning to T308T.

Nik H · Wednesday at 9:39 PM

HKSniper11B said:
Federal T308T is also next to try on my list, for my AT308s with LW 1:12 barrels. Its the most stable round that has the greatest BC. Most Hornady rounds just won't fully stabilize with a 1:12 twist and their BC/performance is being neutered from the lack of gyroscopic spin. This gives me more confidence in turning to T308T.

I've shot at least a case through my AT's original LW 12 twist barrel. It is impressive. It works equally well in 10 twist barrels on my AT, AXMC, and TacOps.

Huskydriver · Wednesday at 9:43 PM

M8541Reaper said:

Nik H · Wednesday at 9:45 PM

BurtG said:
Haven’t chronographed.

I just looked at my inventory. I forgot I have 300 rounds of Black Hills Gold with the 168 A-MAX bullet. I will try it out next time.

TheBigCountry · Wednesday at 9:51 PM

Huskydriver said:
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Nik H · Wednesday at 9:56 PM

TheOE800 said:
Federal T308T and LE308TTMK2 are king shit of .308 turd mountain, no? 0.48 and 0.452 BC respectively for those playing the home game.

Multiple boxes of T308T, this one is the worst I have. The best from the same lot is tighter with under 40fps ES and 10.1fps SD. Too poor for LE308TTMK2 though.

View attachment 8581441

Sierra also makes a Match King Variant with a Green acetate tip called the TMK. Lots of F-Class shooters use it. It has a G1 BC of .535 which is much better than the standard SMK. Not sure if the T308T uses the same bullet.

TheBigCountry · Wednesday at 9:58 PM

Nik H said:
Sierra also makes a Match King Variant with a Green acetate tip called the TMK. Lots of F-Class shooters use it. It has a G1 BC of .535 which is much better than the standard SMK. Not sure if the T308T uses the same bullet.

That TMK in 223 is a hella bullet…I’m sure in 308 is nothing to play with either.

I got some of them 77s to try out for my Tikka

Nik H · Wednesday at 10:14 PM

TheBigCountry said:
That TMK in 223 is a hella bullet…I’m sure in 308 is nothing to play with either.

I got some of them 77s to try out for my Tikka

Black Hills offers a 308 that uses the 175 TMK. It is pricey.

TheOE800 · Wednesday at 10:15 PM

Nik H said:
Sierra also makes a Match King Variant with a Green acetate tip called the TMK. Lots of F-Class shooters use it. It has a G1 BC of .535 which is much better than the standard SMK. Not sure if the T308T uses the same bullet.

I’ve heard @Terry Cross say the TMK projectile used in T308T is not commercially available or the same bullet used in the consumer/match grade ammo.

Newb37752 · Wednesday at 10:17 PM

Mormegil87 said:

Man that's a sweet rig!! Is that a saddle on the tripod?

Newb37752 · Wednesday at 10:18 PM

MSTN said:
Is that thermal on the front of the scope?

MSTN · Wednesday at 10:21 PM

No - a KAC PVS-30.

Nik H · Wednesday at 10:21 PM

TheOE800 said:
I’ve heard @Terry Cross say the TMK projectile used in T308T is not commercially available or the same bullet used in the consumer/match grade ammo.

It has a lower BC than the Sierra TMK

TheOE800 · Wednesday at 10:24 PM

Nik H said:
It has a lower BC than the TMK

Indeed.

Newb37752 · Wednesday at 10:26 PM

MSTN said:
No - a KAC PVS-30.

Got it! Nice as hell!!

Huskydriver · Wednesday at 10:26 PM

This guy @Newb37752 .....

300_BLK · Wednesday at 10:29 PM

AI AT in AW skins. Finally got the courage to drill the quickloc screw hole in the skins.

New 6.5x47L barrel for competition was going exceptionally well at 1000m. Running an ATEC PRS 1 MOD suppressor brake and 136gr scenars.

2696fps in the 25” barrel with varget. Girls 11 & 12 were hammering the hostage target at 700m.

Huskydriver · Wednesday at 10:39 PM

TheBigCountry said:
That TMK in 223 is a hella bullet…I’m sure in 308 is nothing to play with either.

I got some of them 77s to try out for my Tikka

Terry Cross · Wednesday at 11:10 PM

Nik H said:
It has a lower BC than the Sierra TMK

For sure .....but... it is very well behaved and consistent across more barrels and chambers due to it retaining the original 168bthp ogive versus the newer TMK that sacrificed "well behaved" for higher BC.

That original ogive profile was the magic sauce in GM308M.

Federal knew everybody was going to use the GM308M as the standard most would compare the new T308T with. They understood that their target audience cannot tweak OAL, powder charge, etc in an attempt to optimize the TMK if it didnt shoot well in an LE rifle, so the didn't go there.

Edsel · Thursday at 2:46 AM

300_BLK said:
AI AT in AW skins. Finally got the courage to drill the quickloc screw hole in the skins.

Nice!

Scotch_egg · Thursday at 5:25 AM

Terry Cross said:
For sure .....but... it is very well behaved and consistent across more barrels and chambers due to it retaining the original 168bthp ogive versus the newer TMK that sacrificed "well behaved" for higher BC.

That original ogive profile was the magic sauce in GM308M.

Federal knew everybody was going to use the GM308M as the standard most would compare the new T308T with. They understood that their target audience cannot tweak OAL, powder charge, etc in an attempt to optimize the TMK if it didnt shoot well in an LE rifle, so the didn't go there.

This is also true of the 155gr 2155 SMK used in palma. That bullet was so easy to load and shoot compared to the 2156.

Nik H · Thursday at 9:04 AM

Terry Cross said:
For sure .....but... it is very well behaved and consistent across more barrels and chambers due to it retaining the original 168bthp ogive versus the newer TMK that sacrificed "well behaved" for higher BC.

That original ogive profile was the magic sauce in GM308M.

Federal knew everybody was going to use the GM308M as the standard most would compare the new T308T with. They understood that their target audience cannot tweak OAL, powder charge, etc in an attempt to optimize the TMK if it didnt shoot well in an LE rifle, so the didn't go there.

Thanks for the information @Terry Cross

Can you tell me what you mean by "well-behaved"?

BurtG · Thursday at 9:09 AM

Nik H said:
Thanks for the information @Terry Cross

Can you tell me what you mean by "well-behaved"?

They have a 65cm load that’s the same.

Bullet is fatter

BurtG · Thursday at 9:14 AM

By well behaved I think he means shoots well in a variety of guns

Nik H · Thursday at 9:21 AM

BurtG said:
By well behaved I think he means shoots well in a variety of guns

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It does behave well in my AT, AXMC, and TacOps.

Now that I have the XERO, I get to do a lot of experimentation to check consistency. However, it drives me a bit crazy as well. Thank God I have not bought a borescope.

BurtG · Thursday at 9:27 AM

Those chronos make a lot of ammo look bad. Compared to years back

No more shoot 5-10 through screens or with a magnetto then take it off and do the rest of your shooting.

Being able to Chrono all the rounds really shows outliers. Maybe you handloaders with time for days have better results

TheBigCountry · Thursday at 9:30 AM

BurtG said:
Those chronos make a lot of ammo look bad. Compared to years back

No more shoot 5-10 through screens or with a magnetto then take it off and do the rest of your shooting.

Being able to Chrono all the rounds really shows outliers. Maybe you handloaders with time for days have better results

Time for days? What’s that?

BurtG · Thursday at 9:37 AM

TheBigCountry said:
Time for days? What’s that?

People that have days of free time to f with reloading

I can’t even hardly get a free minute to shoot. I need to get back to dry firing. My skills are gone

Nik H · Thursday at 9:37 AM

BurtG said:
Those chronos make a lot of ammo look bad. Compared to years back

No more shoot 5-10 through screens or with a magnetto then take it off and do the rest of your shooting.

Being able to Chrono all the rounds really shows outliers. Maybe you handloaders with time for days have better results

I don't handload and have zero time to do so. Like you, I put my available time towards shooting versus handloading. I bought the XERO because I saw a good deal and had too many libations that evening.

I find it very useful. It may explain some odd results at ranges greater than 500 yards. If you're shooting inside 400 yards, the SD and ES values I measure for Federal and Norma will not cause misses unless the plates are under 1 MOA in size. However, that is not the case at ranges > 600 yards.

BurtG · Thursday at 9:41 AM

Spark / Prime ammo was best factory ammo I’ve used. Better than berger.

But at this point even post covid Hornady ammo isn’t the weak link for me.

And that’s saying something. Hornady used to be decent the latest production stuff is lacking.

I used to only shoot black hills years ago till the price skyrocketed. May have to try that again that stuff was good

Charger442 · Thursday at 9:43 AM

BurtG said:
Spark / Prime ammo was best factory ammo I’ve used. Better than berger.

But at this point even post covid Hornady ammo isn’t the weak link for me.

And that’s saying something. Hornady used to be decent the latest production stuff is lacking.

I used to only shoot black hills years ago till the price skyrocketed. May have to try that again that stuff was good

i miss Prime ammo the most of all the things that Covid hoax took from us.

Nik H · Thursday at 9:48 AM

BurtG said:
They have a 65cm load that’s the same.

Bullet is fatter

They make a number of them. I use the Federal 6.5 loaded with the 130-grain Berger when I shoot the AT. Can't use that with the MC since it has a large firing pin.

I don't know of a tipped 6.5 CM. Which one are you referring to?

Nik H · Thursday at 9:49 AM

Charger442 said:
i miss Prime ammo the most of all the things that Covid hoax took from us.

I still have 2,500 rounds of the original PRIME 6.5 CM with the 130-grain bullet. I use it sparingly. It is money!

BurtG · Thursday at 9:59 AM

Nik H said:
don't know of a tipped 6.5 CM. Which one are you referring to?

Charger442 · Thursday at 10:04 AM

Nik H said:
I still have 2,500 rounds of the original PRIME 6.5 CM with the 130-grain bullet. I use it sparingly. It is money!

i don't own any Manbun but i do enjoy shooting my 260 MR in my Arctic Warfare

SpeedDrop · Friday at 12:18 AM

"Hunting" rifle to pack the freezer. Chilling in the deer stand is fine with this heavy girl.

FUNCTIONAL · Friday at 2:09 AM

Nothing wrong with a little AI in deer hunting.

hafejd30 · Friday at 4:46 AM

Hunting is 95% of what I use my original AT for

Scotch_egg · Friday at 7:47 AM

Nik H said:
I still have 2,500 rounds of the original PRIME 6.5 CM with the 130-grain bullet. I use it sparingly. It is money!

Isn’t this the same ammunition but branded Norma?

Norma Golden Target 6.5 Creedmoor 130gr BTHP Ammo, 20 Cartridges per Box 10166312

Norma Golden Target 6.5 Creedmoor 130gr BTHP Ammo, 20 Cartridges per Box 10166312 For Sale

www.eurooptic.com

Nik H · Friday at 8:35 AM

Scotch_egg said:
Isn’t this the same ammunition but branded Norma?

Norma Golden Target 6.5 Creedmoor 130gr BTHP Ammo, 20 Cartridges per Box 10166312

Norma Golden Target 6.5 Creedmoor 130gr BTHP Ammo, 20 Cartridges per Box 10166312 For Sale

www.eurooptic.com

NORMA used to manufacture it for PRIME. However, I have shot both cartridges, and the PRIME was more consistent. I believe that PRIME had its recipe.

Hard to know for certain.

wichitaguns · Friday at 9:23 AM

hafejd30 said:
Hunting is 95% of what I use my original AT for
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Still kicking my self for not having bought one when they were in the mid 3k range.

wichitaguns · Friday at 9:31 AM

Anyone using a 338 suppressor other than tbac in their AI? Also is anyone coupling their the suppressor with OTL reflex mount?
Leaning toward the CGS heckate(based purely on value due to usage)myself but was wondering what the other options were

Supersubes · Friday at 12:38 PM

wichitaguns said:
Anyone using a 338 suppressor other than tbac in their AI? Also is anyone coupling their the suppressor with OTL reflex mount?
Leaning toward the CGS heckate(based purely on value due to usage)myself but was wondering what the other options were

Dead air has their new 33 cal printed Ti can, the Nomax 33. Havent played with it yet, but I have played with its little brothers (LT XC and LTI XC), which are both very nice.

clefairy · Friday at 12:40 PM

Supersubes said:
Dead air has their new 33 cal printed Ti can, the Nomax 33. Havent played with it yet, but I have played with its little brothers (LT XC and LTI XC), which are both very nice.

Does dead air make their own cans yet?

Supersubes · Friday at 1:24 PM

clefairy said:
Does dead air make their own cans yet?

The handful of XC’s ive gotten in are marked Dead Air inc.

Huskydriver · Friday at 1:45 PM

Supersubes said:
The handful of XC’s ive gotten in are marked Dead Air inc.

What's the location?

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