Describe your perfect scope

A gen 3 razor with a pr2/3 reticle would be insanely tough to beat.


The Zeiss s3 4-25 is a really nice scope. It’s a few tweaks away from being perfect. My biggest complaint is the eye box, it’s usable, but it’s tight. The next, shorter turrets with a better zero stop design. Lastly, a tad less busy reticle. I really like the reticle, except it gets cluttered past 1.5mils either direction of the center dot. The reticle is useable at all mag ranges though. I would also like a similar, non Christmas tree reticle.

Overall, the more I shoot the s3 the more I’m starting to like it. The glass is insanely. I love the look, and the length. It’s a little hefty at 36.6oz
 
Your comments on Minox have caught my attention. I have 3 of the 3-15X50 with MR2 in the stable. I genuinely don’t feel the need to up the objective to 56mm. I deer stalk in the U.K. which is dawn and dusk hunting predominantly. I have never felt that I could do with more light gathering capability. I’ve had Schmidt ultra shorts, got Schmidts and ZCO and had Swarovski. The minox just works and doesn’t throw a fit when I scrape it on barbed wire or it takes a knock on a fence or gate post. The ZP5 line just haven’t got the backing anywhere in the world. I don’t think it’s just a US thing.
In the US I think it's a support issue. Months and months to get through customer service just isn't a realistic ask at the Minox price points IMHO. If they opened a US division with Vortex customer service, their sales here would skyrocket. JMHO
 
The Mark4HD 8-32x56 is what actually got me thinking about the lower number erector thing… I had 2 of them and besides the fact that both were f’ed up and came with manufacturing/QC defects (and a 3rd replacement unit arrived with a canted reticle doh), they were actually really good to look through and had a great eyebox (hopefully Leupold can figure out how to make them correctly at some point)…
Unfortunately this seems to be the new modus operandi... let the consumer base be your QC. We're seeing it more and more, but glad Leupold is taking care of it. This is why it is hard to be an early adopter on a lot of these scopes, it takes sometimes a year or two for the manufacturing and QC process to work itself out to deliver a more solid/stable product.
I found that I wasn’t hindered at all with “only a 4x erector” design. 8x on the low end was fine on a PRS-style rifle IMO.
Exactly. It's not so much that 5-25 and 7-35 scopes became so popular in dynamic shooting sports because you could go down to 5x or could go up to 35x, it was because these scopes excelled in the Goldilocks zone of 10-20x magnification. Now in something like rimfire competition I can see an application where >20x could be a benefit and I think that's where a lot of these high magnification scopes can excel, but in typical PRS centerfire I can just about guarantee that nobody is shooting at distance on 35x (of course, now that I say that, I'm sure there's someone out there who will raise their hand, and to them I say "you do you man..." :LOL:)
I hope someone at an optics company reads this and mulls it over again… as there are probably more than a few of us who’d value solid glass that doesn’t have all the whiz-bang numbers that don’t really matter much in real use.
I agree and that's why I'm hoping for success with the Leupold Mark 4HD series, would love for more manufacturers to take note that there is still a market for good quality 4x designs when done right.
 
Pure hunting scope, a Nightforce nx6 3-18 or 4-24 ffp illuminated, would be a little lighter than the nx8 with a more forgiving eye box...With zero stop and locking windage

Been waiting and hoping for a few years now for this. Gonna give it another week before just ordering another nx8.
^ This. Plus a reticle that’s usable at minimum power.
 
I don't know anything about scope mfg but one thing in my mind that could either drop the cost or allow more elevation would be less zoom multiplier. Most shooters never go below 10 or over 20, what if there was something like an 8-24?
 
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I don't know anything about scope mfg but one thing in my mind that could either drop the cost or allow more elevation would be less zoom multiplier. Most shooters never go below 10 or over 20, what if there was something like an 8-24?
I used to have a Luepold Vari-X 3 (I think that was the designation) 8-25 but it didn’t have much available elevation. And was SFP but this was nearly 30 years ago and before I saw the light. But the image was excellent. Was fun on the prairie dog fields in SD.
 
An ATACR 3-18 with a T5 or MPCT3X with whatever Virgin sacrifice glass they got in any TT or ZC527 but with the ocular of the new K540 and the same parallax and windage setup.

But the right-hand brightness and illumination control of the ATACR 1-8 except it has a shake awake for when I forget to turn that stupid shit off.

And it's RAL8000 or AOR1 IR cerakoted

I'm too stupid to decide on the objective for the optimal exit pupil lol.
 
An ATACR 3-18 with a T5 or MPCT3X with whatever Virgin sacrifice glass they got in any TT or ZC527 but with the ocular of the new K540 and the same parallax and windage setup.

But the right-hand brightness and illumination control of the ATACR 1-8 except it has a shake awake for when I forget to turn that stupid shit off.

And it's RAL8000 or AOR1 IR cerakoted

I'm too stupid to decide on the objective for the optimal exit pupil lol.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the optimum exit pupil simply be the largest you can reasonably obtain? I know the human eye has a max exit pupil, is that what you're trying to achieve? As far as I am aware you just divide the objective lens diameter by the zoom power and that's your exit pupil, what is the secret vudoo that I'm missing here? For example, why would you select a 44mm objective over a 50mm on a 2-10x, does it come down exclusively to form factor?
 
I apologize for my language, but I have a question..
I read here that the FOV would be reduced in scopes imported to the USA compared to those sold by us (EU).
How come such nonsense?
 
I've seen a lot of glowing praise for the 4-16 lately, does it not suffer from the same tiny eye box issue that I hear about with the other ATACR models? I've never dropped the cash on one because they seem pretty hard to get behind comfortably
You might be confusing it with the NX8 line, I’ve never had issues getting behind an atacr