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Griffin Armament allegedly not very pro gun
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It’s all fun and games until the new guy has a ND during show and tell and ruins it for everyone.
Them having proof of transfer and serial number wouldn’t do Jack shit with that.
It would if you need insurance since you’ll be on the hook if some dummy shoots someone with an ND.
There’s always more than one way to look at things. You could actually consider them pro gun if their options were to either cover their ass completely or don’t allow employees to carry while at work.
Places like this end up being closer to a factory job than a “firearms” job for most employees. Most places like that would just tell you that you’re not allowed to bring a firearm to work. Griffin has given people a path to still carry at work if they choose.
They likely don’t actually give a shit if someone doesn’t comply and brings a firearm to work (as long as they don’t know about it), just that they have issued you the policy. If you decide to not provide the info and fuck up, they have documentation that they had a policy and you didn’t follow it.
Just how it goes once a company gets large enough. The easy way out would to just say no guns at work.
This didn’t come out of a vacuum, something happened to make employee carry undesirable. Probably some sort of liability.
They know banning carry would be unpopular with employees and look bad to customers but the company wants it to stop.
They make it burdensome to discourage it while still allowing it.
Next year it becomes more burdensome.
The year after that it’s banned for new hires but existing employees are grandfathered in.
Soon enough attrition and making it increasingly painful minimize it until they feel their risk is tolerable.
They know banning carry would be unpopular with employees and look bad to customers but the company wants it to stop.
They make it burdensome to discourage it while still allowing it.
Next year it becomes more burdensome.
The year after that it’s banned for new hires but existing employees are grandfathered in.
Soon enough attrition and making it increasingly painful minimize it until they feel their risk is tolerable.
Yea, it’s almost assuredly some sort of incident, or a new insurance carrier. Or something else happened at another similar company. Etc.
It’s better than just saying no guns allowed, which is what most companies would do.
I promise that you own many, many firearms or accessories where the company doesn’t allow firearms at all, or has similar policies.
You just happened to see this one.
As a business owner who has to carry a $4m policy on every employee, I see no issue with the above.
Liability is a nightmare. And liability if some idiot showin off his new piece discharges a round into Billy Joes spleen,…..that’ll close your doors, and everyone loses.
Liability is a nightmare. And liability if some idiot showin off his new piece discharges a round into Billy Joes spleen,…..that’ll close your doors, and everyone loses.
Honestly OP should take this down as the do allow it and they are covering themselves. I’m sure insurance is tough. The title is misleading. Heck if my employer required this I would be cool with it. Mine does not allow weapons on site.
Looking at this, I would comply in a heartbeat if my employer would allow it. As it stands, they have a “NO WEAPONS” policy which includes stun devices and any chemicals. This also applies to any time you (employee) are out of the office but on their time (paid). With the current world climate, I’d stack the deck in my favor in any way that I can.
OTH, they are seen as deep pockets and want to minimize THEIR risks as much as they can. It is a two edged sword with a greased pommel for them to hang on to.
OTH, they are seen as deep pockets and want to minimize THEIR risks as much as they can. It is a two edged sword with a greased pommel for them to hang on to.
Apparently, it was an ND from a new guy. Here was his response on another forum:
"If you own a gun over a year without negligent discharging at least once, you aren't handling it enough. NDs are a natural part of handling weapons, just like tweaking your back is part of weightlifting and car accidents are part of driving. I ND several times a year because I actually HANDLE and know how to USE my weapons. It makes me a better firearms handler and marksman, and it's a small part of the price you pay in the sheepdog lifestyle. Simple fact is, the "safety mentality" will build mental blocks in your head that will get you killed. You need to be comfortable putting your finger on the trigger and pointing the gun wherever you want no matter the time, place, or status of the weapon. Taking time to check whether the gun is loaded whenever you pick one up will serve to make you hesitate in a personal defense scenario. You fucking safety idiots are going to get people killed all because of this fucking "ND" shaming. Guns are inherently dangerous, you need to accept it."
(fake and stolen)
I would read this through different lenses if I were either an employee or employer.
Simple fix is to just flatly state that the requirements fulfill insurance policies, because the employer still wants to be in business after an employee NDs and someone is injured.
Sometimes blunt truth is far better than beating around the bush.
Simple fix is to just flatly state that the requirements fulfill insurance policies, because the employer still wants to be in business after an employee NDs and someone is injured.
Sometimes blunt truth is far better than beating around the bush.
DD doesnt allow you to carry onsite either. Its liability and insurance. As much as I hate DD, I understand why they and other companies do it.
Adults and business owners understand why rules like these end up in existence. Risk an ND that kills someone and having to shut down the business or simply enact certain rules in your privately owned company to help deter such incidences from happening. People aren't getting smarter these days, this can be seen by all the "influencer" ND videos that exist on YouTube.
Long story short, good for Griffin for still allowing carrying. If my current employer offered this I would do it.
Adults and business owners understand why rules like these end up in existence. Risk an ND that kills someone and having to shut down the business or simply enact certain rules in your privately owned company to help deter such incidences from happening. People aren't getting smarter these days, this can be seen by all the "influencer" ND videos that exist on YouTube.
Long story short, good for Griffin for still allowing carrying. If my current employer offered this I would do it.
this is 100% CYA. for liability issues.
its a bad take by someone who doesnt have to own a business and the risks associated with it.
its a bad take by someone who doesnt have to own a business and the risks associated with it.
I get it from both sides. My suggestion would be to not hire retards that would whip out their loaded pistol for show and tell. Frankly, you're on the clock, this isn't show and tell time, I don't need your CCW and serial number for that. If you're too fucking stupid for that, you're too stupid to be assembling or doing QC on products that are going out the door, dealing with the public in a CS capacity, or especially keeping the books or in HR or something else that could get the company sued. It would be easy to implement a policy that covered the company and still wasn't draconian. I type this as someone who just sat down in an office with plenty of guns in it, not limited to my CCW.
“My suggestion would be to not hire retards that would whip out their loaded pistol for show and tell.”
You clearly don’t do any hiring. It’s pretty much all idiots!!!
You clearly don’t do any hiring. It’s pretty much all idiots!!!
“Not very pro gun”??? The first thing I thought when I read the policy was “insurance”.
Next we will hear that Starbucks is not pro-coffee because they require you to use a cup.
Folks who know me, know I am pretty hardcore on 2A. That said, businesses have to stay in business.
Are you starting an insurance company to help these businesses out?
I can’t say I am thrilled about a, b or c but again this is likely an insurance mandate. They are damn lucky insurance doesn’t say “no” to sidearms at all or mandate onerous training requirements (which “a” covers).
I’ll be spending more money with Griffin.
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We live in a world of litigation. All it takes is some dickwad to drop his SIG P320 on the ground wrong, and the impending lawsuit will most likely exceed most insurance policy protections.
The "don't hire a retard" company policy is fine in theory, but it won't protect against everything. And even non-morons can have a moron moment. You can do everything as a business to include a waiver acknowledging firearms safety rules, holster policy, etc... etc... and then still find your ass in hot water the moment 'Todd' catches his Uncle Mike's nylon special in the arm of a chair and manages to launch a round into his own foot. Forget not that people have sued department stores for falling over a kid in the isle (and won), even though the kid they tripped over was theirs. Here's a list of Stella Awards to catch up on, and further decrease your faith in humanity https://stellaawards.com/cases/
The "don't hire a retard" company policy is fine in theory, but it won't protect against everything. And even non-morons can have a moron moment. You can do everything as a business to include a waiver acknowledging firearms safety rules, holster policy, etc... etc... and then still find your ass in hot water the moment 'Todd' catches his Uncle Mike's nylon special in the arm of a chair and manages to launch a round into his own foot. Forget not that people have sued department stores for falling over a kid in the isle (and won), even though the kid they tripped over was theirs. Here's a list of Stella Awards to catch up on, and further decrease your faith in humanity https://stellaawards.com/cases/
Here's our company policy on firearms in the workplace.
This is the sign near our front door and my office is the other side of this.
This is the sign near our front door and my office is the other side of this.
Yup. They want to have their ass covered.
Mine doesn't allow it, but what they don't know... (I only carry when I'm going somewhere it's necessary. Trying to be mindful of their policy, but not giving up my safety. I'm mobile and operate out of a truck though.)
We had one idiot leave his pistol in the porta-john in a "gun free" gated community.
Then he had that pistol stolen out of his truck because he forgot to lock it one night.
He's not the biggest idiot here surprisingly.
I read the letter and I am scratching my head about why this is even a thread here or elsewhere.
I'm not in the firearms industry but considering the nature of their business what comes to mind are the following things.
1. Not everyone at any company are full blooded 2A activists. Mainly this is a reference to employees.
2. As far as I know there are no legal requirements to run a CNC machine.
3. If a CNC operator has a 'record' do they get instantly disqualified from making parts like scope mounts or other 'non firearm' parts?
4. To what extent can and does the ATF get involved if employees are say, 'on the line'?
5. Assuming there are a bunch of talented employees there, what would prevent anyone there from making their own personal gun parts for themselves or others while on duty?
6. What happens in terms of ATF compliance if anyone working in a major firearms manufacturing company is walking around with a stolen gun?
7. In light of the 'war on ghost guns' is manufacturing something like that at Griffin (see#5), could the company be shut down by the ATF over that?
I could think of 100 other questions to ask, but in general this is not a big deal to me, especially in light of the nature of the business they are in. It looks like a big CYA that is enforced on the 'don't be a retard and we won't ask' principle.
Yeah, some know-it-alls don't know shit.
My company allows carry but not all jobs we go on do, so there has to be a policy, and some moron somewhere will claim I'm anti gun for telling my drivers they can't carry at the airport, federal building, or power plant. This place has some real tool bags.
I think my company knows they employ a ton of mentally unstable people
The policy is written such that firearms are not allowed on any company property, period
That includes parking lots
so no bringing guns locked in your trunk in the parking lot to then be used at a shooting range after work
The policy is written such that firearms are not allowed on any company property, period
That includes parking lots
so no bringing guns locked in your trunk in the parking lot to then be used at a shooting range after work
I had an employer with this policy. I still brought my guns to work and left in my truck and I even had gun parts delivered to work because UPS delivered there by 9am.
The stupid thing was no weapons allowed of any type but we shaped and sharpened up putty knives for foam work and they would have been a nasty tool to use on someone. I asked HR and safety why we were allowed a prison shank at work but a pocket knife to cut my pork chop wasn’t allowed. I received a deer in the headlights look. “That’s our policy”. They actually wanted to fence the whole property in with security gates and doors for access because they were scared of getting shot up. Paranoia was rampant because they did some shady shit to people.
I'm fine with this, and would recommend adding a provision that the firearms must be approved.
What if you hire a receptionist at minwage and she shows up with a Taurus?
Everyone walking in the door is going to see that sexy little thing with her giant nickel and gold, mother-of-pearl grips monstrosity strapped to her tiny waist and think, "What kind of a place is this?"
I also think they should have just sent out a new booster housing for free though to everyone who bought a Revo back in the day... maybe with a note that said, "Thanks for being one of our first supporters!" Not sure why I would pay for a new one and also give up the old one.
You know they're saving big bucks on R&D by just cloning everyone else's designs...
What if you hire a receptionist at minwage and she shows up with a Taurus?
Everyone walking in the door is going to see that sexy little thing with her giant nickel and gold, mother-of-pearl grips monstrosity strapped to her tiny waist and think, "What kind of a place is this?"
I also think they should have just sent out a new booster housing for free though to everyone who bought a Revo back in the day... maybe with a note that said, "Thanks for being one of our first supporters!" Not sure why I would pay for a new one and also give up the old one.
You know they're saving big bucks on R&D by just cloning everyone else's designs...
You've never been to Watertown WI. That what you speak of does not exist.
My current employer they have a no guns rule but at the same time I taught both of the owners to shoot--on the property. I don't open carry just out of respect for the situation but it's an open secret that I have a firearm with me should the need arise. I think they actually like the idea that I carry.
Some rules are on paper because they have to be that way for a variety of reasons. That however doesn't reflect the views on society that those people have. If I had to shoot some idiot at work, at a minimum they would say "he wasn't supposed to have a gun per our rules" when they eventually got sued by the guy's family or something.
Taper mounts? Who else uses the eco-flow? And who is everyone else? You think all these silencer manufacturers are fucking geniuses? Wasn't this thread about insurance?
And I meant to add that it was my boss's idea to get that sign that we have in the window. Usually, mine is barely concealed under an oversized angler shirt or my jacket or a big sweater. I carry a S&W M&P M 2.0 in 9 mm and the mag holds 17 rds. I carry with one in the pipe. That is the safest way, which I learned through dry fire draw and shoot. Racking a round can cost a precious moment in time. It's an OWB.
Plenty of times my boss is also carrying, sometimes open.
Never been a problem but I am blessed to work at a company where this is so.
I mean, we have even brought weapons to work to outfit with stuff or laser sight. The pic I shared here of the Henry PCC was his and it was in our shop.
Plenty of times my boss is also carrying, sometimes open.
Never been a problem but I am blessed to work at a company where this is so.
I mean, we have even brought weapons to work to outfit with stuff or laser sight. The pic I shared here of the Henry PCC was his and it was in our shop.
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