Suppressors TBAC Magnus RR-K vs Area419 Maverick vs Without Warning CHAD

#51
Appreciate the write up. I’m waiting on a Magnus K RR currently. Though my uses are not solely PRS, that was my main reason for getting it.

I’m coming from shooting prs with a plain Magnus though, I gave up on brakes a couple years ago.

Kind of kicking myself for not getting a S RR, maybe that will have to be my next.
 
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NiteQwill said:
I wouldn't think so... SilencerCo, Dead Air, etc all sell separate brake attachments for their suppressors.
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The trick is that the item has to have an alternate use other than as a suppressor part. It's not an accident that SiCo, Dead Air, etc all also happen to sell blast diffusers that work with their suppressor end caps.
 
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SendCenter said:
Another data point- I side by side tested the K-RR and KGM R30 on a 14lb .308 pushing 200gr bullets out a buss window. The K-RR was ever so slightly better as far as reticle jump. Now, the ports were at 3 and 9 so I'm excited to try 12 and 6.
I agree with the others above, the K-RR on a dasher was lackluster at best. KGM R6 with top ports open beat it significantly in terms of reticle movement.
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Question since you have run both R30 and R6. With the R6 no longer in the lineup, I'm looking at R65K, R30K and R30 for primarily a 6ARC PRS bolt-gun. Would I be disappointed with an R30/K with a 6mm in terms of reticle movement? I strictly shoot suppressed now with a baffle 30 cal, no brake device of any sort. And I'd like to reduce reticle movement without going as far as Maverick in terms of trading suppression for myself and bystanders.
 
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46caliber said:
Question since you have run both R30 and R6. With the R6 no longer in the lineup, I'm looking at R65K, R30K and R30 for primarily a 6ARC PRS bolt-gun. Would I be disappointed with an R30/K with a 6mm in terms of reticle movement? I strictly shoot suppressed now with a baffle 30 cal, no brake device of any sort. And I'd like to reduce reticle movement without going as far as Maverick in terms of trading suppression for myself and bystanders.
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From my experience, the KGM cans seem to work best when they are caliber specific or short magnum and larger calibers. Most likely due to more gas flow. Basically I am not sure you would benefit too much by running a small case capacity 6mm through an R30 or R30K vs a standard non ported can. I really just like the small size and sound of the R6, but at the end of the day if I wanted to be more completive and remove half my reticle movement, I would just run a brake.
 
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46caliber said:
Question since you have run both R30 and R6. With the R6 no longer in the lineup, I'm looking at R65K, R30K and R30 for primarily a 6ARC PRS bolt-gun. Would I be disappointed with an R30/K with a 6mm in terms of reticle movement? I strictly shoot suppressed now with a baffle 30 cal, no brake device of any sort. And I'd like to reduce reticle movement without going as far as Maverick in terms of trading suppression for myself and bystanders.
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I believe some distributors might have some R6’s instock. I would call KGM they might be able to point you to the right distributor.
 
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Been testing this puppy from @RecoilXBrakes ... Been pretty pleased so far.

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46caliber said:
Question since you have run both R30 and R6. With the R6 no longer in the lineup, I'm looking at R65K, R30K and R30 for primarily a 6ARC PRS bolt-gun. Would I be disappointed with an R30/K with a 6mm in terms of reticle movement? I strictly shoot suppressed now with a baffle 30 cal, no brake device of any sort. And I'd like to reduce reticle movement without going as far as Maverick in terms of trading suppression for myself and bystanders.
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I run an R30K on a 6.5x47 and it does a great job of taming the concussion while limiting muzzle jump. I have not used a Maverick to compare it to.
 
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Guns&WhiteWater said:
I run an R30K on a 6.5x47 and it does a great job of taming the concussion while limiting muzzle jump. I have not used a Maverick to compare it to.
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Yeah, I think I've settled on the R65K for my 6ARC. I don't expect it to mitigate recoil as well as a Maverick, but I suspect it will be easier on the ears for both shooter and bystanders than a Maverick.
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
2 matches with the chad in the books. On the 6.5cm the recoil was definitely there, but it was straight back with little muzzle jump.

The chad on a 6gt was almost zero recoil. Slight push strait back but the barrel just didn't jump at all. Shooting off tank traps I was amazed how easy it was to get follow up shots off.

Now my buddies said standing next to the chad was like getting punched in the face but from the shooter, it's very minimal and comparable or better than the ace and ats in that reguard.

$600 is crazy for a muzzle break, but he did something remarkable with this thing. It works very very well. The only downside is cost and having to buy a few more of these....
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Did you use the 6.5 diameter chad on the gt? Or do you have a 6mm diameter chad as well?
 
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southerngolfer said:
I am experimenting with this today today. KGM says close bottom ports to help with muzzle flip. there are 10 ports and I have the bottom 4 closed. I guess issue I might have is kicking up dust when prone. do you notice this? or have you tried shooting with any of the ports closed?
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I shoot my KGM r6 with the top ports open from 9-3 o’clock. It really helps keep the muzzle on target when shooting positionally. And you don’t just any dust kicking up in prone.
 
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southerngolfer said:
I am experimenting with this today today. KGM says close bottom ports to help with muzzle flip. there are 10 ports and I have the bottom 4 closed. I guess issue I might have is kicking up dust when prone. do you notice this? or have you tried shooting with any of the ports closed?
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I haven’t shot prone much, if at all, since getting my RRS a year ago. Just too much fun shooting off the tripod, and a little more challenging to boot. I would think tuning the recoil impulse by closing the bottom ports plus a few on the right side would be ideal, but I just run them all open for now. I’d like to hear your results.
 
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I actually experimented today with the ports. I had closed the 4 bottom ports up, shot 5 rounds off and then opened them all up shot another 5 shots. I think I like the 4 bottom ports closed for barricade stuff. Will have to shoot a match with it and find out. I shoot 6 creed
 
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southerngolfer said:
I actually experimented today with the ports. I had closed the 4 bottom ports up, shot 5 rounds off and then opened them all up shot another 5 shots. I think I like the 4 bottom ports closed for barricade stuff. Will have to shoot a match with it and find out. I shoot 6 creed
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so you are pretty confident the ports being closed on bottom did make a difference? I've never messed with mine on my R6 but if it actually does something I may
 
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BuildingConceptsllc said:
so you are pretty confident the ports being closed on bottom did make a difference? I've never messed with mine on my R6 but if it actually does something I may
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It’s always hard to say, Even when trying to find a good brake. Am I loading into the rifle more those particular shots to help with the recoil, did I get more settled into my bag, etc? I don’t want to say it was night and day noticeable but there might have been a slight edge. I’m shooting a r30. I’ve tried shooting with my TBAC ultra 7 with my 6 creed and it’s unfortunately still to much recoil. I use that TBAC on my 223 shooting 90 grains. I thought I would give another shot with this KGM r30 on the 6 creed
 
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southerngolfer said:
It’s always hard to say, Even when trying to find a good brake. Am I loading into the rifle more those particular shots to help with the recoil, did I get more settled into my bag, etc? I don’t want to say it was night and day noticeable but there might have been a slight edge. I’m shooting a r30. I’ve tried shooting with my TBAC ultra 7 with my 6 creed and it’s unfortunately still to much recoil. I use that TBAC on my 223 shooting 90 grains. I thought I would give another shot with this KGM r30 on the 6 creed
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I don't shoot my R6 on my 6CM, I shoot a Nomad on that. the R6 just isn't enough can on a 6cm so it's reserved to .223 only. Honestly, I've not found anything I like better than Nomad for 6cm or 6.5cm. I'm really curious now if the ports will do anything for me on 223 gasser. (piston not DI)
 
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southerngolfer said:
I am experimenting with this today today. KGM says close bottom ports to help with muzzle flip. there are 10 ports and I have the bottom 4 closed. I guess issue I might have is kicking up dust when prone. do you notice this? or have you tried shooting with any of the ports closed?
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I had the top 4 on mine open last match. Noticeable improvement on reticle movement after breaking a shot compared to enclosed, standard baffle can. Will run next match with top 6 open.
 
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Its kind of apples to oranges.

There is WAY less blast, concussion and overall sound with the mav even in the short config.

The CHAD is not bad at the shooter. IMO Its not as tame as the ATS and the ACE, but the difference in muzzle jump and recoil reduction is significant. But its also no where near as bad as the APA, DN5, A419 brakes. Those are legit painful to be around. The CHAD can be a bit rough to someone to the side of you but at the shooter its really not too bad. It is however the single most effective brake I have used to date, and plan to keep running them unless something better comes out down the road.

I would say if you want absolute performance, get the CHAD. If you want the best suppressor braked can out there , then get the MAV.
 
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rbutcher said:
Understood. If the chad is not bad at the shooter but you still notice it, is it headache-inducing?

Would the maverick approach the threshold of “no blast at the shooter” or is it definitively there?
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I get frequent migraines and headaches (have one now) so Im not the best judge on that. I pretty much have a headache at every match but not sure if its from blast or just me.

The MAV is much more pleasant than any brake out there. I know it meters close to bare muzzle DB reduction but its a suppressor and controls the blast very well.

Another option is BOSS. I shot a match a few weeks ago with a guy running one. I was SUPER impressed by the sound, blast and recoil reduction of it. I legit thought he was shooting a suppressed .223 as the gun didn't move when he shot and was so quiet. Turns out he was shooting a dasher. The owner was at the match and after talking to him I ordered one. IMO its one of the better braked cans I have been around and liked it so much I decided to order one. Its sitting at my FFL now.

Its cheaper than the MAV, in stock unlike the mav, cheaper than the TBAC RR and wait time is MUCH shorter. Its a titanium and stainless can so its pretty light as well. Its only a 1.5" can so its amazing how well it performs for its size. I think the MAGNUS RR is just too big and the brake is too big for these small 6 mm BR based cartridges. The smaller can handles it much better and uses the gas to keep muzzle rise down much more efficiently.

 
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rbutcher said:
For me, after an injury I’m just more sensible to pressure than before. I’ve been shooting with a Dominus cb at matches, but really would like better recoil control
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This isn't answering the CHAD shooter's perspective, but I personally highly recommend the Maverick. I'm definitely sensitive to concussion and I'm trying to protect my hearing long term.

I actually shoot my Maverick in the longer 6.5" configuration on a 6.5CM. This doesn't allow for full free recoiling like a braked 6mm, but this is still a very shootable configuration in a 20+ lb PRS chassis setup, it just requires more shoulder input / firmer fundamentals.

When compared to my Rugged Surge 7.62, the 6.5" Maverick brake configuration feels more like a braked "snap" than a suppressed "push".

From a spotter's perspective (~12 ft. behind shooter, approximately 30deg to side), I can say that the concussion difference between the shorter 5.5" Maverick configuration and a CHAD on a 6mm is night and day in favor of the Maverick.
 
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I never felt like I wanted more recoil control with my can…. Until I had two stages where it was fully free recoiling off a very small prop. Couldn’t see my impacts at all for windage. Everyone who shot those stages and didn’t free recoil with a brake said the same.

Just a hard balance between being sensitive to blast and reducing long term health effects of brakes vs performance.

It sounds like the maverick truly is what I need here, instead of something like the CHAD where it is redirecting the greater amount of blast.
 
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rbutcher said:
I never felt like I wanted more recoil control with my can…. Until I had two stages where it was fully free recoiling off a very small prop. Couldn’t see my impacts at all for windage. Everyone who shot those stages and didn’t free recoil with a brake said the same.

Just a hard balance between being sensitive to blast and reducing long term health effects of brakes vs performance.

It sounds like the maverick truly is what I need here, instead of something like the CHAD where it is redirecting the greater amount of blast.
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There's definitely a tradeoff.

The 5.5" Maverick seems to have better brake / compensator performance at the expense of noise. The 6.5" configuration has noticeable noise reduction and sounds "suppressed" but not as good as a dedicated suppressor. I recommend the full length 9.2" Maverick because then you have to option of trying both the 5.5" and 6.5" configs. Apparently a lot of guys buy the 8" length to save some bucks, but spending the extra $200 to have access to every possible configuration was worth it to me.
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
I get frequent migraines and headaches (have one now) so Im not the best judge on that. I pretty much have a headache at every match but not sure if its from blast or just me.

The MAV is much more pleasant than any brake out there. I know it meters close to bare muzzle DB reduction but its a suppressor and controls the blast very well.

Another option is BOSS. I shot a match a few weeks ago with a guy running one. I was SUPER impressed by the sound, blast and recoil reduction of it. I legit thought he was shooting a suppressed .223 as the gun didn't move when he shot and was so quiet. Turns out he was shooting a dasher. The owner was at the match and after talking to him I ordered one. IMO its one of the better braked cans I have been around and liked it so much I decided to order one. Its sitting at my FFL now.

Its cheaper than the MAV, in stock unlike the mav, cheaper than the TBAC RR and wait time is MUCH shorter. Its a titanium and stainless can so its pretty light as well. Its only a 1.5" can so its amazing how well it performs for its size. I think the MAGNUS RR is just too big and the brake is too big for these small 6 mm BR based cartridges. The smaller can handles it much better and uses the gas to keep muzzle rise down much more efficiently.

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Is it the Chairman K size ?
 
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