Gangster guns of the roaring 20's and the Motor Bandits of the 30's

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    Movies like Bonnie and Clyde, The Highwaymen, Public Enemies, The Untouchables, and Lawless have gotten me interested in guns of the prohibition era roaring twenties, and more interestingly, the guns of the "Motorized Bandits" of the 1930's. First up is a Modified Winchester Model 1907 in .351 SLR.
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    In its pedestrian form, the M1907 was a revolutionary weapon for its day. A blowback-operated semiautomatic rifle, the gun broke down into two pieces for easy portage. The M1907 was a popular Law Enforcement arm and was offered in “Plain,” “Fancy Finish,” and “Police” versions. The rifle’s production run spanned half a century. In 1907 the plain version sold new for $28. That equates out to about $740 today.

    Van Meter’s 1907 had been modified for the specific mission of bank robbery by legendary mob gunsmith Hyman Lebman. The barrel was shortened and fitted with a modified Cutts compensator. A Thompson vertical foregrip was fitted to the forearm, and the weapon was converted to full auto. The gun fed from an extended magazine.

    Hyman Lebman has also been known as Lehman. His son Marvin espoused the Lebman spelling. Lebman was a depression-era gunsmith and leatherworker based out of a modest shop in San Antonio, Texas. A gifted tinkerer, Lebman had a well-deserved reputation for modifying weapons to make them more tactically effective. His clients included such legendary gangsters as Dillinger, Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd, Roger “The Terrible” Touhy, and others.
    Lebman sold quite a few M1921 Thompson guns through his shop. In the heady days before 1934, the National Firearms Act machineguns could be purchased openly through the mail. It was also legal to convert weapons to full auto without any ancillary government involvement. One of Lebman’s most popular conversions was called the “Baby Machinegun.” This was a Colt M1911 pistol in either .45ACP or .38 Super converted to full auto and fitted with the vertical foregrip from a Thompson, a muzzle compensator, and an extended magazine. Lebman maintained a test range in his basement and once inadvertently loosed a burst from one of these weapons upward through the floor of his home, narrowly missing his son Marvin.

    Lebman claimed he thought the sundry gangsters buying his guns were wealthy Texas oilmen who were simply firearms enthusiasts. In 1933 Lebman even hosted Baby Face Nelson, Nelson’s wife Helen, and Homer Van Meter in his home for Thanksgiving. Hyman Lebman continued gunsmithing until 1976 and died of Alzheimer’s disease in 1990. At least two of Lebman’s weapons are on display at the FBI headquarters in Washington DC as part of the Dillinger arsenal.

    My Lebman 1907
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    Good luck with that. :) Here's one that sold at auction. It's not even the money, it's the 1 year wait to transfer on a form 4.

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    I do have an Ohio Ordnance Limited Edition Colt 1918 from Ohio Ordnance.

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    Have you not been keeping up with the form 4 silencer thread? Transfer times are greatly reduced since last February. Had a F4 Thunderbeast fly 9 come back in 33 days. My first 2 cans were 13 months each.
     
    Have you not been keeping up with the form 4 silencer thread? Transfer times are greatly reduced since last February. Had a F4 Thunderbeast fly 9 come back in 33 days. My first 2 cans were 13 months each.
    All I can say is those are suppressors and my M760 took a year to approve. My Form 1's have increased in time from two weeks to 4 months and I've had to get my Congressman involved in several that were at a year.
     
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    Have you not been keeping up with the form 4 silencer thread? Transfer times are greatly reduced since last February. Had a F4 Thunderbeast fly 9 come back in 33 days. My first 2 cans were 13 months each.
    I just had a buddy in Texas get approved in 27 hours from purchase, about a week ago. Filed as individual, picked it up the next day. Trusts are still apparently taking much longer than they should, for some reason... 🙄
     
    All I can say is those are suppressors and my M760 took a year to approve. My Form 1's have increased in time from two weeks to 4 months and I've had to get my Congressman involved in several that were at a year.
    My last form 1 took about 27/28 days. Mail in stuff is still hit or miss, but a lot of dudes are getting stuff back in less than 48 hours now.
     
    Colt "Black Army" 1911A1 with Ivory grips. Colt eliminated the final polishing step on the M1911 pistols made after May 1918 to increase the rate of production during WWI and this resulted in a dull black finish rather that the high polish blue.
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    Genuine Stag handled automatic knife.
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    I just had a buddy in Texas get approved in 27 hours from purchase, about a week ago. Filed as individual, picked it up the next day. Trusts are still apparently taking much longer than they should, for some reason... 🙄
    did 2 suppressors last month on a non standardized trust. Submitted at same time, recieved them both back at the same time, in 7 days.
     
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    Remington Model 8, .35 Remington. This particular rifle has the factory optional pistol grip stock. Most model 8's you'll see have a straight stock. The Model 8 has a very cool Long Recoil action.

    In a long recoil operation, the bolt and barrel are allowed to recoil, similar to that of a short recoil operation. At the point when the bullet is fired, the bolt and barrel are locked together. As the weapon fires, the bolt and barrel move back together due to the recoil. They continue to move together backwards until they reach the back of the receiver and recock the hammer. At this point, the bolt is held in the back of the receiver by a catch. The barrel is then pushed forward by a barrel spring and returns completely forward, during which time the spent cartridge case is ejected. When the barrel has reached its fully forward position, the bolt is then released from the back and pushed foward by another spring. As the bolt moves forward, it picks up a new cartridge from the magazine and pushes it into the barrel chamber.

    Vintage 1930's Weaver 344 scope with correct Weaver T8 side mount. The hat is a rare Stetson "Open Road" introduced in 1937. This model was made famous by President L.B. Johnson and is also known as the "LBJ Stetson".
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    Great thread @buffalowinter thank you!

    This was carried by the Constable of Cody, Nebr
    It was found after being lost in storage for many years
    They asked me to do the transfer to the winner of a sealed bids auction
    The Constable's Great nephew knew it's history and got the high bid so it at least went back to the family
    He is trying to find a picture of his Great Uncle carrying it
    By Colt's serial number look up it is a 1932 mfg Official Police in .32-20
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    Copy of the wooden gun Dillinger used in his prison break on Mar 3, 1934.
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    Dillinger was arrested on January 25, 1934 and transported to the Lake County jail in Crown Point, Indiana. On March 3, 1934 he escaped.

    The details of the escape were revealed by Dillinger’s attorney, Louis Piquett, in interviews with G. Russell Girardin, whose unpublished 1935 manuscript was released by William Helmer in 1994 as Dillinger: The Untold Story. Dillinger’s first idea was to have his gang bust him out with dynamite, but that didn’t pan out. He then asked Piquett to get him a gun, but Ernest Blunk, the sheriff’s deputy who was on the take, refused. Dillinger settled for the next best thing: a wooden gun.

    While Dillinger later claimed he whittled the wooden gun himself, it was the attorney’s investigator, Arthur O’Leary, who procured the gun from a woodworker. On the morning of the escape, the gun was delivered to Dillinger.

    While out of his cell for exercise, Dillinger pressed the fake gun into a prison trustee’s back and, with the help of Deputy Blunk’s convincing performance – he was later acquitted for lack of evidence – began forcing the prison guards into jail cells. Herbert Youngblood, a Black inmate and murder suspect bound for death row, joined Dillinger in his escape.

    At first glance, the wooden gun is not terribly convincing. The 5.75-inch piece of wood has a quarter inch-diameter safety razor handle as the “barrel” and two nails on either end to simulate the sights. Shoe polish gives the gun it’s dark finish. It also lacks a grip.

    Dillinger didn’t need the wooden gun to stand up to close scrutiny for his escape to work. It only had to work long enough for Dillinger to obtain real guns. Once Dillinger and Youngblood found two Thompson submachine guns, the wooden gun’s job was over, which Dillinger smugly pointed out to the now-confined warden and guards.

    Edwin (sometimes mistakenly called Edward) Saager, a mechanic paid off to supply a getaway car, had Sheriff Holley’s 1933 Ford V-8 ready for Dillinger’s escape. With Blunk and Saager as “hostages,” Dillinger and Youngblood escaped to Illinois where they parted ways. Youngblood was killed in a shootout with police two weeks later.

    In the coming days, the harshest criticism from the press was laid on the “lady sheriff.” One report wrote she “became hysterical” and “shrieked into the telephone” when she learned of Dillinger’s escape. Sheriff Holley defended her actions and placed the blame on those who were at the jail when he escaped. “I feel that I’m getting the blame for this just because I’m a woman. I can’t see where I was at fault,” Holley told the Chicago Tribune.

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