Starting this topic since it may need to be discussed, as of last night there is a tariff on steel and aluminum coming into the United States from various areas of the world.
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Tariff impact on Riflescopes and related items
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This could add up to 3 cents to the price of a scope. Whatever the actual increase in the cost of the metal in a scope, it will go unnoticed compared to the annual price hikes for wages, B&O taxes, workman's comp payments, insurance, medical insurance, fuel, transportation, advertising and utilities.
My car insurance is going up 25-35% a year, my medical insurance went up 15%, my utilities are bumped 10%, property taxes climbed about 10%, food costs are up probably 15% year over year and according to the government inflation was 2.7% and my cola was 2.5%. How? Well apparently, I constantly buy appliances, cars and TV's which had minimal increases last year and that evened everything out.
Whatever increases are caused by tariffs are of little interest to most people. I'm hoping Trump can get the out of control federal government under control and we can stop squandering hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars on every conceivable fraud scheme ever dreamed up in the history of humanity. Cutting a TRILLION or so from the government and stopping the epic fraud is my dream, I will take a little pain to get it fixed.
The federal government spent $10,000,000 dollars last year have doctors mutilate monkeys and make them trans-monkeys. WFT!?!?!? We literally live in a country where we pay doctors to chop the dicks off monkeys and sew in rubber pussies to see if other monkeys will fuck them. Doctor Mengele looks pretty fucking tame these days. This is "Island of Dr. Moreau" kind of fucked up.
I think the future of the country is at stake, adding a few bucks to a scope is not going to be an issue.
My car insurance is going up 25-35% a year, my medical insurance went up 15%, my utilities are bumped 10%, property taxes climbed about 10%, food costs are up probably 15% year over year and according to the government inflation was 2.7% and my cola was 2.5%. How? Well apparently, I constantly buy appliances, cars and TV's which had minimal increases last year and that evened everything out.
Whatever increases are caused by tariffs are of little interest to most people. I'm hoping Trump can get the out of control federal government under control and we can stop squandering hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars on every conceivable fraud scheme ever dreamed up in the history of humanity. Cutting a TRILLION or so from the government and stopping the epic fraud is my dream, I will take a little pain to get it fixed.
The federal government spent $10,000,000 dollars last year have doctors mutilate monkeys and make them trans-monkeys. WFT!?!?!? We literally live in a country where we pay doctors to chop the dicks off monkeys and sew in rubber pussies to see if other monkeys will fuck them. Doctor Mengele looks pretty fucking tame these days. This is "Island of Dr. Moreau" kind of fucked up.
I think the future of the country is at stake, adding a few bucks to a scope is not going to be an issue.
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Oh I'm not complaining about Trump's strategy and I'm hoping that it makes an impact on getting this country in the right direction. I'm also hoping the cost difference is negligible. I know they are weighing on an additional separate tariff on the EU as well which has not gone into effect yet.
I think the impact on glass from Germany and Japan, coatings and metals are going to be a small increase compared to the other costs associated with owning and operating the business. I think some companies will use the tariffs as an excuse to jack up prices.
My concern is with who owns these companies and their intent to extort shooters. If you look at ammo companies, in the last decade they have consolidated under bankers and investment companies who have basically quadrupled the price of ammo, 1000% increase in the price of primers, powder has quadrupled and projectiles are easily triple or more. Reloading a round of ammo can cost nearly as much as buying a round of ammo and imaginary shortages are everywhere.
Ammo prices are so damned high, competitive shooting is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. Round counts at matches are dropping because people either cannot afford ammo or cannot find enough components to reload enough ammo to compete at a high level.
In the last decade, they flooded the market with AR-15's of every stripe and made them nearly worthless. We are awash with crappy plastic pistols of every imaginable color, size and shape and they are dumping every imaginable rifle and shotgun on the market in every variation of 6.5, 30, 7 you can possibly conceive in the hopes of peddling more crap to shooters. Nearly every one of these new calibers varies in performance maybe 2 inches over 500 yards, as if that would help most idiots hit a target.
In the big scheme of things, there are more than tariffs to worry about.
I know that, but I made this topic specific to one area we are keeping an eye on as it could potentially effect our business and our customers.
The topic did not exist so I created it. - Richard
Looks like a good way for OEM's and distributors to raise prices and say "It's not my fault"
If it pushes more usage of US raw materials for domestic scopes, I call it a win.
What is the current tariff rate on Euro built optics? I remember the conversation on the topic in years past, the number was not insignificant, but I don’t recall the details. Same question for Japanese and Filipino optics. Canada joining that list would not break my heart.
What is the current tariff rate on Euro built optics? I remember the conversation on the topic in years past, the number was not insignificant, but I don’t recall the details. Same question for Japanese and Filipino optics. Canada joining that list would not break my heart.
Speaking as a distributor of certain products, we do not control the pricing. That is established by the manufacturer...
There's dealer's cost which can be at different tiers of margin depending on volume for example which is not always the case.
Then there is a MSRP and/or MAP price set by the manufacturer.
We do some, but not control of what we pay from the manufacturer when they raise prices.
So, at the end of it all, the consumer is the one bearing the burden of the increases, not the OEM, distributor, or shipper. All of my vendors are giving us the same sob story. If you can't afford the increases, what makes you think we can.
I'm from Denmark and i hope Trump tarrifs the shit out of the commie EU , preferably too the point where it breaks up the EU
That might affect leupold prices since they make the tubes here iirc.
One of the bigger ones will be the change on how chinese goods are tariffed, previously shipments of a certain size were exempt but that seems to have changed.
Commodity prices went up 5X in the last five years. Here is the LME price for Lead. Everyone complains but raw inputs are priced on the world market. And the world is industrializing and also tooling up for war.
As for Tariffs, labor is an expense for business, like any other. Most other nations outside the EU do not have the regulations like we do meant to protect the air and water and labor. They can exploit their people and infrastructure to produce things far more cheaply. Their costs are going to catch up to ours over time. Tariffs are a good thing to compensate for this.
We do need to fix our industrial policy. We cannot pass laws or have court cases which increase costs on business without some kind of compensation. Or local laws which zone out legacy heavy and light industry.
you are so right. as an oldie,i am not understanding this explosion of new calibers. eg 6.5CM (which i have owned and like). it is about 100fps>6.5x55 which has been around forever. it seems to me that many of these new ones= barrel burners at same level as 264 wm. a lot of flash in the pans like the WSMs,which had benefits but "needed"? seems to me in hunting that modern bullet tech has made increases in ballistic "performance" moot. same with def HG. 9mm was a joke back in the 70s. now the standard. plastic pistols the same in a way. lighter weight does make con carry easier,so there is that..
people have been killing elk effectively with 270w since the 30s and that with cooper clad lead. now 308 is considered GTG for elk. not so much in 70s. don't see the need for the huge blasters but i do question shooting game at 700yd or more. prob get shit for that but i do question the practice. would never outlaw it but does require skill and practice that many just won't acquire.
yes,i understand the advantage of dumping the belt for reloaders. but ammo availability,cost and longevity seems an issue. components a similar cost/availability prob.
if someone wants the new stuff,likes it,can afford it,sure do it. it should be a free country. but IMHO this just sophisticated marketing like the tech overload in new cars,phones,comps,most everything.
That’s literally how any increase of any kind works. Unless it’s just a zero reason increase profit increase which is rare.
Doesn’t matter if it’s a tariff or anything else.
If a consumer can’t afford it, then either that product is for a higher income consumer now, or the product or company goes out of business. Just how it goes.
Also as per usual (not directed at you), everyone is focused on single parts and such with tariffs.
Many companies who supply these parts will be impacted significantly with their overall business. Meaning many of their parts and such they supply will have tarrifs. Or companies they deal will have multiple tariffs, etc.
That leads to every product they sell needing a (sometimes significant) an increase which is just a domino effect.
Tariffs are a long term strategy and the short term effect is consumers facing an immediate price increase. Trump is even on interviews literally saying some people here may feel some pain in the immediate future.
My business will share the increase cost. We will not pass it all on to our customers.
People can talk shit, or get in the fight. USA
People can talk shit, or get in the fight. USA
Back in 16 when Trump put tariffs on steel (structural steel in particular) I saw it reflected in the marketplace. I would say 6-8 months later things were back to pre-tariff pricing.
Good for you in doing so, sincerely. The majority won’t. They don’t want their profit margin to affected so it’s just an immediate price increase to the customer. I don’t know what you sell or business you are in, but I’d damn sure buy from you based solely on this post alone.My business will share the increase cost. We will not pass it all on to our customers.
People can talk shit, or get in the fight. USA
Yes. Just like everything you buy in the supermarket arrived on a truck burning diesel. And most of the cost of a gallon of fuel is taxes.
Yes, significantly... as soon as Canada tariffs were to go into effect. Haven’t come down since the pause.
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