RRS TFCT 14L w Anvil 30 too heavy for backpack backcountry hunting?

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    Rugged remote Idaho spring bear hunt (flying into the Frank Church), we'll be trying to avoid any unnecessary weight. Trying to decide whether to take a bipod or a tripod, leaning towards the latter. My hunting buddy says re: RRS "no way man! Those things are too damn heavy!" He's looking at the AZIAK Ridgeline. I'm thinking that thing is too flimsy, too short, and to made in China-ey, but at 1.5# it's a full 2# lighter than the RRS 14L

    Has anybody carried a 14L straight up a hill for several miles and several thousands of feet and regretted it or not?

    What's the best compromise of weight, stability, and height for this application?
     
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    Are you carrying a spotter too? If so, a tripod is a must and dual purpose at that point.

    Another option is the 2 vets Infil or Voyager with an anvil 30 on it, shaves some weight. You can get away with cheaper/flimsier legs but I don’t compromise on the head. Might limit your range with cheaper legs, but a 5-600 yard shot is completely doable if you’re already a tripod shooter. Also, you don’t really a full standing height tripod, I seem to always be able figure out a firing position with something that gets me to sitting or high kneeling. The extreme downhill shots are my most limiting with a shorter tripod.
     
    Yeah, nothing beats RRS for quality and stability.

    I’m certainly no expert but have done a few backpack sheep/Sitka blacktail deer hunts. The extra 3.5# sucks to carry, I’ve compensated by going ultralight where I can and cutting comfort items out of the pack. Whoever I’m hunting with, we avoid doubling up on camp stuff. 1 tripod/spotter, 1 cook system, 1 water filtration system, 1 med kit, etc… This year we’re even only taking 1 rifle.
     
    I havent carried a 14L, but I brought a Leofoto 324clx (similar to the RRS 24L) this year elk hunting in Idaho. I did use my two vets the ruck (similar to their infil) with an anvil 30 on top this last year bear hunting. I didn't have the 324 then, and the ruck seemed decent for shots out to about 300 yards. I feel like the ability to have a stable shooting tripod in the mountains is worth a couple extra pounds of weight.
     
    currently leaning strongly towards this:

     
    I’ve got the Aziak backcountry. Very happy. I’m unusual as I want onto be able to stand and glass, so I opted for the Backcountry. Very happy. With the head I chose I feel comfortable making shots to 200yds. It’s not an RRS. Obviously. My whole set up weighs 3lbs as I recall.
     
    Anybody know why the offer it with the anvil and with the riser but not with both?

     
    42in tripod, you're not shooting off the post. and your not glassing in tall grass without the post. so basically they are hinting that if you are using the post to enable glassing, you better not be trying to shoot of the tripod.







    Of course Frank will shoot off the post...:ROFLMAO:


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    Anybody know why the offer it with the anvil and with the riser but not with both?

    Not sure why someone would want to put the PT-Scout on the ANVIL but they offer that. 😳 That's a lot of pivot points.

    I'm not overly sure why you would put the ANVIL on top of the riser. That would make it very weird, but it's obvious it can be done as the riser has a standard 3/8" screw on the top. The ANVIL works much better directly in the apex so the set screws can hold everything in place more securely. I think if I was going to put anything on top of the riser I would just use a traditional ball head, but even that would be weird to me.

    That package is odd to me in that it is using a traditional threaded bolt apex instead of a bowl. All around strange way to use an ANVIL head.
     
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    I have killed a few sheep off of 33 legs and a anvil. A couple seated and 1 prone. Sure lighter is always nice. But this is very stable
     
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    I had a 14 and would again like to have a 14l someday. It’s very usable for seated shots. Anything over low kneeling j feel the bigger tripods benefit. Fwiw I bought a 24l because I couldn’t justify 2 tripods at the time. I feel like I can usually get atleast a kneeling shot when hunting, especially in areas that have more topography.

    Every lower weight tripod that I have used was a liability in the seated shooting department.

    That said I’m the kind of person that will carry more to be able to confidently make a shot.
     
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    I would 100% carry the RRS tripod and anvil.
    Unless you know you can always glass from seated and shoot prone/seated/kneeling, without having to pass any shots.
    The Aziak backcountry I have is 22 oz and works find for those 2 things and a 300 yd shot max for me (havent tried further) as it just isnt the same as a beefier set up.

    Any standing, take the bigger tripod.
    Further shots, same for me (at least so far).

    I left my 3.6lb set up at a trailhead in Oct, but had the Leofoto 324 legs and an Anvil and took it on 3 backcountry hunts this fall.
    Plus the day trip hunt when I forgot it…. (Daughter’s first deer)

    A new one is planned for this year and most likely will carry the extra weight if any tripod rifle shooting is gonna happen (so, everything but archery)
     
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    Yeah, I ordered the 14L from eurooptic thanks to you guys. (Center section observations on the 13, and loss of height, and ability to remove last leg section and make 14l essentially a 13, convinced me).

    And like you, I find it hard to justify having $3200 wrapped up in two tripods, but here I am.
     
    They offer it now in a factory configuration with an anvil 30 head and no center column. That’s how I think they get to 3.5 pounds.

     
    Not sure why someone would want to put the PT-Scout on the ANVIL but they offer that. 😳 That's a lot of pivot points.

    I'm not overly sure why you would put the ANVIL on top of the riser. That would make it very weird, but it's obvious it can be done as the riser has a standard 3/8" screw on the top. The ANVIL works much better directly in the apex so the set screws can hold everything in place more securely. I think if I was going to put anything on top of the riser I would just use a traditional ball head, but even that would be weird to me.

    That package is odd to me in that it is using a traditional threaded bolt apex instead of a bowl. All around strange way to use an ANVIL head.
    @secondofangle2 I have mostly used the TFCT-14L for my hunting purposed and I have access to them all. Remember all our weights have the Anvil built into them. Many of the other specs that are compared are without the head included from other manufacturers. I drop the weight of my bipod, since I have only been hunting in heavy snow, so the bipods I have are useless and I enjoy sitting comfortably. At 6'2 it is still stout enough to hit minute of man sized targets within 1k but 2-3 lbs lighter than the other tripods I use for comp and fun range days. I will say our most popular do it all is the 24L size.

    @vanrichten The TFCX13 was made for the minimalist backcountry and we offer packages that resemble legos in the way you can put them together, only limited by your imagination. I like to take the TFCx13 and hard mount the anvil direct to the apex with 4 screws rather than the 3/8" removable stud (since the new style apex has a slight taper built in, the feature just like the tfct). I set that up for my comfortable seated shooting height. I personally put a quick release plate on the riser which has the PT Scout threaded to the top which brings me to my spotting height with straight eye piece spotter or binos. The Anvil is used as a leveling base, allowing me to be correct on plain when glassing, then if I need to switch to rifle, one lever of the anvil removes the glass with riser and PT-Scout attached, and I go direct to the rifle without having to fart around with anything else. It is a light weight system where i can be comfortable at all the heights i need without having a dedicated center column in the way.
     
    I ran a rrs tfct 33 for a 2 day elk hunt in AZ. It was 16 miles in 2 days and it didn't bother me. I would rather have stability that save weight. But I also had a 14# 300wm that all my hunting friends said would be WAY too heavy and it didn't bother me. As a matter of fact I carried the tripod, my 14# gun and my dad's 12# gun most of the trip cause he was having a hard time hiking. It's just personal preference.

    I looked at it like this.... I shoot 2 day nrl hunter matches with a 16# gun, two vets QDT, and more ammo than I would ever cary on a hunt
     
    were you carrying a backpack full of gear too or was this a park and hike, basecamp-at-the-truck kinda trip?

    I see these youtube Idaho spring bear videos and a bunch of these guys are eating bratwurst at night and I'm like Waaaat? I live on ramen and oatmeal out there for a week after we get dropped off in a bush plane 50 miles from the nearest road

    The one I watched last night they had like a dozen llamas with them - and they wore the animals out!

    My rifle is only 9# with suppressor, and I"m not taking a spotter, so I have that going for me I figure my whole kit will weigh about 45# with food, gun, tripod, a liter of water and all the rest...
     
    were you carrying a backpack full of gear too or was this a park and hike, basecamp-at-the-truck kinda trip?

    I see these youtube Idaho spring bear videos and a bunch of these guys are eating bratwurst at night and I'm like Waaaat? I live on ramen and oatmeal out there for a week after we get dropped off in a bush plane 50 miles from the nearest road

    The one I watched last night they had like a dozen llamas with them - and they wore the animals out!

    My rifle is only 9# with suppressor, and I"m not taking a spotter, so I have that going for me I figure my whole kit will weigh about 45# with food, gun, tripod, a liter of water and all the rest...
    We were Basecamp at the truck. No camping gear to pack in, just our hunting gear
     
    Note: I’m not a mountain hunter.

    The AZIAK is almost certainly wobbly with a 14 lbs load limit as most manufacturers fudge those numbers.

    And at only three feet tall, you better be shooting that off flat ground, as you’ll probably run out of leg extension on a mountainside.

    I’d probably go with a TFCT-14L or 22iC. For only kneeling or sitting shots…that 22iC looks pretty tits with the fast adjust legs.

    One thing about the two Ascend 14 integrated tripods…it seems that the height is with the column? Also, what’s the load limit on the TFCX-13? @MPHReallyRightStuff ?

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    Red = worst of this group
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    Listed in order of weight (lightest to heaviest)

    AZIAK Ridgeline
    1.4 lbs
    14 lbs load limit
    36” / 3’ max height
    22.0" folded length
    Traditional legs

    TFCX-13 (Anvil incl. in package, no center post)
    3.07 lbs w/Anvil
    Load limit???
    43.53” / 3’ 7.5” max height
    20.74" folded length
    Traditional legs

    Ascend-14-BH (Compact, Integrated Ascend Head/center post included)
    3.19 lbs (2.85 lbs w/out center column, shorter)
    30 lbs load limit
    59.9” / 5’ max ht (w/center 10.1” column???)
    18.6" folded length (w/center column???)
    Traditional legs

    Ascend-14L-BH (Long, Integrated Ascend Head/center post included)
    3.38 lbs (3.04 lbs w/out center column, shorter)
    30 lbs load limit
    68.9” / 5’ 9” max ht (w/center 10.1” column???)
    21.1" folded length (w/center column???)
    Traditional legs

    TFCT-14L (Anvil incl. in package, no center post)
    3.51 lbs w/Anvil
    50 lbs load limit
    59.4” / 4’ 11.5” max height
    22.0" folded length
    Traditional legs

    22iC and add the anvil
    ~4.5 lbs (3.5lbs + 15.2oz + 1.72oz for adapter)
    80 lbs load limit
    ~50.5” / 4’ 2.5” max height (47.5” + ~3.0” anvil)
    25.0" folded length (22.0" + ~3.0” anvil)
    Inverted legs

    TFCT-24L (Anvil included in package)
    4.59 lbs w/Anvil
    70 lbs load limit
    68.9” / 5’ 9” max height
    25.9" folded length
    Traditional legs

    TFCT-33 (Anvil included in package)
    4.66 lbs w/Anvil
    85 lbs load limit
    60.9” / 5’ 1” max height
    28.0" folded length
    Traditional legs

    22i Mk2 and add the anvil
    ~5.3 lbs (4.28 lbs + 15.2oz + 1.72oz for adapter)
    95 lbs load limit
    67.3” / 5’ 7.3” max height (64.3” + ~3.0” for anvil)
    ~41.2” folded length (38.2" + ~3.0” for anvil)
    Inverted legs

    TFCT-34L
    (Anvil included in package)
    5.5 lbs w/Anvil
    80 lbs load limit
    71.1” / 5’ 11.1” max height
    26.6" folded length
    Traditional legs

    I didn’t include the TFCT-34 because I’m lazy and I don’t see the point of it unless you need a shorter (when stowed) and slightly less stable version of the TFCT-33.

    Check my numbers.
     
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    I’m a varmint hunter and 5’ 10”.

    Personally, I use a TVC-33 with RRS long spikes, the leveling bowl and a panning head attached to the top. It’s way more stable than my TFC-34 + Anvil*, and way, way, way easier for me to constantly pan.

    So the TFC-34 is regulated to 15x LRF bino duty (with added ballhead on top of the Anvil, because, as mentioned, the Anvil sucks for panning. For me.) Works well.

    I know that’s not the OP’s use here, but there you have it.

    *One reason it is more stable is that panning with some tension on the anvil really introduces torque into the narrow-apexed TFC-34. If you don’t do a lot of panning, this probably isn’t a big concern. One could also add a panning head on top of the Anvil…RRS sells one. But I prefer the increased stability of the TVC 75mm+ apex. Folded thickness/height and weight aren’t concerns of mine on the pdog fields.
     
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    I've spent a lot of time in the backcountry woods in Colorado with RRS tripods. Went from lugging around the 24L, 33, and also at one point a 34L, and will no longer do it. Then went to Ascend with the small ARCA ball head and adjustable center section (not sure what that head is called) to the 14L with anvil 30, to now just only using the TFCX13 anvil 30 for most everything hunting related. Using the TFCX13 for both spotting off of and shooting when doing backcountry hunts now. Only spotting with binos and the RRS arca adaptor and it's plenty stable.

    Once you go on a true backcountry hunt and have packed big game animals many miles out without ATV or other support, will you will start to appreciate the smaller, compact, lighter gear and realize the advantages of sacrificing on certain things. Huge advocate for the 14L Anvil 30 or the new TFCX13 anvil 30.

    Just my .02 on it.
     
    were you carrying a backpack full of gear too or was this a park and hike, basecamp-at-the-truck kinda trip?

    I see these youtube Idaho spring bear videos and a bunch of these guys are eating bratwurst at night and I'm like Waaaat? I live on ramen and oatmeal out there for a week after we get dropped off in a bush plane 50 miles from the nearest road

    The one I watched last night they had like a dozen llamas with them - and they wore the animals out!

    My rifle is only 9# with suppressor, and I"m not taking a spotter, so I have that going for me I figure my whole kit will weigh about 45# with food, gun, tripod, a liter of water and all the rest...
    Thats pretty good for overall pack weight, nice work.

    I’d pretty much decided on the 14L for my purposes, until i saw the tfcx13. That height works for me (only 5’8). Shave .5 lbs off, I’m sure if it’s on the soar side of the rrs site, it has a load limit capable of a sub 10 lb rifle. Though the bigger tripod will be more stable. How much so, who knows, enough of a difference to make the shot presented? Last couple of years, I’ve been packing and shooting off a cheap as shit Sirui thats 1/2 the weight of the tfcx13, anything has to be better than that pos.

    I have to decide if the additional options of positional in terrain/stability are worth the extra .5 lbs for a successful hunt outcome, or can I make the smallest option work in the environments I hunt and shoot in? At least the pack gets lighter day by day until you're successful… I really haven't noticed .5lbs once pack weights get over 80 at that point.
     
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    Great info from all, thanks guys!

    The options among the RRS tripods and the various configurations (like carbon pointed out) are absolutely bewildering and the website doesn’t do anyone any favors in that regard. Half the time I can find what I want at mile high or euro optic but not find it on the actual RRS website.

    That’s a hint to RRS to do some website beta testing with someone naïve to their products for some feedback and maybe some web design tweaks here and there
     
    Great info from all, thanks guys!

    The options among the RRS tripods and the various configurations (like carbon pointed out) are absolutely bewildering and the website doesn’t do anyone any favors in that regard. Half the time I can find what I want at mile high or euro optic but not find it on the actual RRS website.

    That’s a hint to RRS to do some website beta testing with someone naïve to their products for some feedback and maybe some web design tweaks here and there
    Agreed. And the fact that one cannot enlarge pics on mobile Safari is sorta unforgivable in this day and age.
     
    Thats pretty good for overall pack weight, nice work.

    I’d pretty much decided on the 14L for my purposes, until i saw the tfcx13. That height works for me (only 5’8). Shave .5 lbs off, I’m sure if it’s on the soar side of the rrs site, it has a load limit capable of a sub 10 lb rifle. Though the bigger tripod will be more stable. How much so, who knows, enough of a difference to make the shot presented? Last couple of years, I’ve been packing and shooting off a cheap as shit Sirui thats 1/2 the weight of the tfcx13, anything has to be better than that pos.

    I have to decide if the additional options of positional in terrain/stability are worth the extra .5 lbs for a successful hunt outcome, or can I make the smallest option work in the environments I hunt and shoot in? At least the pack gets lighter day by day until you're successful… I really haven't noticed .5lbs once pack weights get over 80 at that point.
    Yeah 1/2# doesn’t bother me for the tripod, just can’t have that attitude for everything or it adds up. Part of what I’m trying to figure out is where it makes sense to cut corners and where not. For example I went 24” on barrel to optimize 7PRV velocity, and I’m running a 1/2# can - cuz once we’re in there we don’t wanna scare the whole basin to death with the first shot. This country is so remote, those animals aren’t used to gunfire
     
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    Rugged remote Idaho spring bear hunt (flying into the Frank Church), we'll be trying to avoid any unnecessary weight. Trying to decide whether to take a bipod or a tripod, leaning towards the latter. My hunting buddy says re: RRS "no way man! Those things are too damn heavy!" He's looking at the AZIAK Ridgeline. I'm thinking that thing is too flimsy, too short, and to made in China-ey, but at 1.5# it's a full 2# lighter than the RRS 14L

    Has anybody carried a 14L straight up a hill for several miles and several thousands of feet and regretted it or not?

    What's the best compromise of weight, stability, and height for this application?
    Also check out Tricer. They are more hunting oriented tripods that are super light. Most of the tripods are for glassing but some can be shot off of.
     
    That's what my buddy has, but he hasn't tried to shoot from it yet. We're going to do some of that this week w the TRICER along with the AZIAK. I think it will make an impression on him :)

    I mean for up to 200 yards, maybe, but I can rest off a tree or my knee for a shot like that. My rifle will be dialed for clean kills to 500+ yards - and those are the shots I'm worried about making off an unstable/unsuitable platform, or in terrain where a bipod or a backpack is infeasible.
     
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    RRS, if you're listening, here's an example; this page is completely inscrutible to me. I have no idea which of these I need to go on top of a TFCT 14L with ANVIL 30 to allow me to mount my binoculars with your binocular clamp thingie (CINCH-LR) I ordered with my tripod. All of the proprietary nomenclature is just gobbledygook to me

     
    That is asking which of three options you want.

    1) With no clamp at all, just a bare top with no real way to mount anything other than one of their, RRS, clamps or something that has the ARMS 17 hole pattern. So it just has two holes the top. This would be used if you already have a clamp that you want to use.

    2) With a screw knob clamp. That has a wider range of adaptability for 3rd party ARCA plates that may or may not follow the exact standard.

    3) With a lever release clamp. That is a faster release and you can use ARCA or pic rails to mount to it. The problem is, while it is adjustable for variations in width, it takes longer to make that adjustment. Unlike the screw knob from option 2 which you just tighten down until it's as tight as you want it.

    For one of their binocular clamps, you would want either option 2 or 3 unless you already have a plate. Either one of their clamps or from another company that follows the ARMS 17 hole pattern. Pretty much everything from RRS has an ARCA compatible mount/plate on it. Those binocular clamps also have a standard 3/8" hole for mounting to legacy tripods/heads.

    So if you want to use other manufacturer ARCA plates, then option 2 would probably be the best bet as who knows how closely that other company follows the RRS ARCA standard. If you are only going to use RRS stuff, then option 3 would be great. I personally hate screw knobs as they just take too long for my impatient ass, so I like the lever release clamps. As a result of that, and my own brand snobbery, I use pretty much only RRS products. If I'm looking at something from another company, I double check that they follow the RRS standard. KRG and Area419 both follow the RRS standard, so I'm comfortable using their products with my RRS gear.
     
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    It sounds like you have both the 13 and the 14 then?

    So we are back to my original question lol

    Thank you for coming to reply though
    Yes I use both. Your determining factor, do you care about weight more or the ability to stand. Once you answer that there is your question. I do not feel wanting when carrying the 14L through the mountains on a long hike or short one. If there are a lot of unknowns it is what I am carrying no matter where I go.

    RRS, if you're listening, here's an example; this page is completely inscrutible to me. I have no idea which of these I need to go on top of a TFCT 14L with ANVIL 30 to allow me to mount my binoculars with your binocular clamp thingie (CINCH-LR) I ordered with my tripod. All of the proprietary nomenclature is just gobbledygook to me

    Heard and passed on to the marketing team. Our website has always left us wanting more, and it is a constant project to be improved upon. Myself, I do not do any of the website stuff anymore. Talk to shooters, come up with ideas, test prototypes and talk to you folk. If it falls in that arena, feel free to hit me up.
     
    Yeah 1/2# doesn’t bother me for the tripod, just can’t have that attitude for everything or it adds up. Part of what I’m trying to figure out is where it makes sense to cut corners and where not. For example I went 24” on barrel to optimize 7PRV velocity, and I’m running a 1/2# can - cuz once we’re in there we don’t wanna scare the whole basin to death with the first shot. This country is so remote, those animals aren’t used to gunfire
    Agree 100%. After every hunt I do a pack dump, everything that doesn’t contribute to my survival or help make the kill or take care of the animal, gets omitted forever. I’m pretty streamlined now. First thing to go for me was extra clothes, except socks, carry 4 pairs of those. Deorderant-gone 😑, travel tooth paste with 1/2 squirted out, kids tooth brush, water bladder (or cheap water bottle from the gas station) instead of Nalgene, use my wife’s thermarest on a sheet of tyvek siding stuff(floorless tipi). Bic lighter on P cord and a shitload of electrical tape lives on my neck, another has my luekotape wrapped around it. The list goes on. I also pretty much glue my rifle together with locktite, other than can and magazine, everything else gets a dab of blue or red. No tools other than, the smallest keychain leatherman they make, to tighten anything.

    I’m back to sticking with the 14L for the same types of hunts. I’d rather have the extra stability and options to build positions, especially in the steep shale slopes we have up here. I’d hate to blow a shot after all the effort getting in there.

    Any chance you live in an area you can load up and get some training hikes/camping trips in? That’ll give you a lot better idea if something is going to work or adjustments need made.
     
    First thing to go for me was extra clothes, except socks, carry 4 pairs of those. Deorderant-gone 😑, travel tooth paste with 1/2 squirted out, kids tooth brush, water bladder (or cheap water bottle from the gas station) instead of Nalgene…
    Go gold lamé thong or go home.

    Doubles as a flashy emergency signal for International Male smokejumpers to float down and save you.

    If you’re a certain age, you’ll get the joke.

    Could go commando but chafing ow
     
    Go gold lamé thong or go home.

    Doubles as a flashy emergency signal for International Male smokejumpers to float down and save you.

    If you’re a certain age, you’ll get the joke.

    Could go commando but chafing ow
    😂

    Too bad all the smoke jumpers are dudes and not Amazonian ripped chicks. I’d set fires twice a week for that.
     
    Yeah we’re gonna be testing a bunch of stuff in the Utah desert ranges leading up to the hunt.

    14L arriving today, stone glacier should be here Friday or Saturday. Had an EXO last year and just didn’t fit me right so gonna try something new
     
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    Would you comment on the purple stuff in this here post? Thanks man.
     
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    I've bought a 14L twice now. First time I sold it and went to cheaper tripod but ended up working on the cheap one all the time. So ended up buying a 14L again. I've never actually shot off of the once I have now. I still pack my 34L most of the time. I just day hunt though. The 14L is nice for sitting and glassing.
     
    Now I see why 24L is so popular a compromise
    Yea the 14 is a seated/kneeling tripod for sure.

    The issue I have with my 24L is it’s real long, can get hard to pack on a true backpack hunt.

    I guess it depends the priority you put on shooting. Some hunts I see the heavier tripods as worth their weight but I do think I’d grab the 14L more if I still had it.

    What is really like is to dump the 24L and get a 34 and 14L

    The 24L does give up some standing stability to the bigger tripods.