So if this happened in Australia would the picture be flipped around?
Another plane crashed, but in Canada this time
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The Captain was male and speaking on the radio to Air Traffic Control. The other pilot was flying the approach and landing. There is screenshot on internet of the Endeavor Flight Dispatch release showing the crew members names. 3 were female and one was male. So 2 female flight attendants (have no responsibility for the aircraft flight controls) 1 male pilot and 1 female pilot. The female at the controls was reported to have received her ATP certification update in early January 2025 for qualifying to fly this jet. So she may possibly have over 1000 hours of total flying experience but 97 % of that experience is in small Piston engine planes. It appears that her experience in fast performance jets is low
It was not a settlement. They are offering it with no strings attached. The passengers will still be able to sue if they wish.
It seems she may have only recently been released to the line, as in completed her initial operating experience with an instructor. You typically need at least 25 hours of flying with an instructor on revenue trips to get signed off to fly the line. In addition, every airline I’ve worked for had the requirement to fly at least 100 hours in type before you can land in listed marginal conditions and a crosswind component more than 15 knots would have to be the captain’s landing as well as certain gust factors. I’m not sure how Endeavor’s manual is written, but I bet it’s similar. I’m also not sure what the crosswind component or gust factor was that day, but it does look like they were a factor. In any case it seems the captain wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed either and made a poor decision to allow her to attempt the landing, possibly violating their FOM limitations. They made for a dangerous combination in the cockpit due to a lack of experience and skills. I’m glad there were no fatalities other than likely the pilots career progression.
Nope! FJB trannies caused it as them bitches found out he/she pulled out the wnaker and they went full tilt panic mode. Thats why it leaned to one on trying land.
I'd wager large sums of money that male captain was under severe pressure to give the female copilots as much time on the yoke as possible.
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As above, 26 years old Kendal had a restricted ACT license..." Does not meet pilot in command standard". She was the pilot who was trying to land the plane.
"Captain" was a simulation instructor for Endeavor, got bumped up to Delta but didn't make it through the training pipeline (wonder ?) and sent back down to Endeavor as sim. instructor. He was doing this flight for purpose of continuing certification.
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It sounds like there really needs to be standardized testing that is non-biased in real Sims. Problem is the NTBS reports will take a year plus each before Trumps transportation/FAA people can address the DEI at the pilot level. The layoffs done previously were probationary administrative.
Sim instructors are hit or miss, some are very good on the line because they fly a lot, some, especially management sim instructors, suuuuck, because they don’t fly much. You know what they say, “If you can’t do, you teach”. If you can’t cut the mustard in Delta training you suuuuck, and shouldn’t be flying anything. Was he giving her IOE??? He probably didn’t think he could make the landing so he let her try. Cockpit full of idiots.
Edit….He was an idiot, she was in-experienced. Look up UPS1354 crash to see another example of a weak captain in the left seat and a very tired sleepy female in the right seat. Bad crew pairing.
Google AAL 850
Offset ILS approach at Kingston Jamaica in June 2024. Jet landed firmly and exited the runway immediately after touchdown.
Both engines severely damaged and replaced. Flaps and gear damaged too. Crosswinds were a factor and failure to align with the runway was also a contributing factor
Didn’t make the USA news cycle because different country and no deaths
Delta releases new information about captain, first officer flying plane that crashed in Toronto
Delta Air Lines released new details about the crew aboard flight 4819, operated by its subsidiary Endeavor Air, which crash-landed in Toronto on Monday.
www.foxnews.com
Interesting article. Looks like the FO had been there a year, which means she should have had over 600 hours in type. My question is, why did the captain stay at a regional airline for that long with so much hiring going on at the majors since Covid ended? Probably not applicable to what caused the accident, but still, almost everyone go onto a major if they can.
I understood the CA went to Delta mainline through the flow-through, but didn't pass the training and went back to Endeavor.Delta releases new information about captain, first officer flying plane that crashed in Toronto
Delta Air Lines released new details about the crew aboard flight 4819, operated by its subsidiary Endeavor Air, which crash-landed in Toronto on Monday.
Interesting article. Looks like the FO had been there a year, which means she should have had over 600 hours in type. My question is, why did the captain stay at a regional airline for that long with so much hiring going on at the majors since Covid ended? Probably not applicable to what caused the accident, but still, almost everyone go onto a major if they can.
Kinda re-defines the "Stop-Drop-Roll" move, eh?
Well there WAS fire involved....
Well there WAS fire involved....
Interesting. If the article is correct and she had less than 1500 hours, unless something has changed, she could not have had a ATP (Airline Transport Rating). After the 2009 crash at Colgan Air, the FAA changed the requirements to fly for a regional airline to 1500 hours. There must be some work around for that requirement if she had less than 1500. Also, if she was hired in January of 2024, even after training, by now she should have had at least 500 hours in type, which would lead me to believe she had more than 1500 hours. I doubt there is a work around that would have allowed her to get hired with 1000 or less hours, but who knows. In any case, it looks like she out punted her coverage unless there was an unknown crack weakening the gear and wing spar. Time will tell.
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