I have an impact precision bolt with 20 moa cant built in. I am trying to decide on getting a Spuhr scope mount with 10 moa cant or 0 moa cant. With the 10 moa cant scope mount (30 moa cant total) it seems it would put the zero for the Vortex Razor with about 8 mils of downward elevation. My question is if this is still within the area that would have ideal clarity and field of view. I know the closer you get to the edge/limit of the scope the optical clarity and field of view can get worse. Thanks!
30 MOA Cant for Vortex Razor Gen 3 6-36 x 56
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The Vortex RG3 does very well with IQ at extreme elevation, I would be fine with 30 moa...
I have had the Gen IIIs on 40 moa bases and no issues. Don’t sweat 30 moa.
That's the exact reason why you want a lot of cant in the mount. Where do you need the best optical clarity, when you are zeroing at 100yds or pushing it out past 1000?
But it’s a non issue with either with only a 30 moa mount. It will be as clear at 100 as it is at 1000+. The Gen III won’t be near the edges with 30 moa and even when it is it’s still clear.
They have just had too many issues/failures. Honestly I'd recommend just about any other high-end mount. As mentioned above, area 419 probably has the best, while over engineered, mount going right now. That being said, Grey ops, nightforce, seekins, Badger, Vortex PMR, etc also work great.
I’m trying to figure out when this started. I’ve used Spuhr mounts for years and never had an issue with them. They used to be THE mount for almost everyone, when did they fall out of favor and get such a bad wrap after being pretty much the standard for high end for so many years?
User error, over torquing? Again, these have been the premium mounts for years, now that other mounts are getting popular suddenly everyone throwing Spuhr under the buss? Just seems strange how only recently the chatter is getting louder?
Right, I guess thats part of my point, not new problems, but the community largely ignored them for years, but now all the hate? Nah, something smells fishy here.
In the beginning those of us who posted about our Spuhr failures were often told we didn't know what the hell we were doing, we must have been overtorquing them, our torque drivers were messed up, we must have been putting grease on the screws, etc. Basically everyone who liked Spuhr wanted to blame everything but the mount itself and was ignoring the growing evidence of a design/material problem because they didn't want to admit the product they liked and spent good money on might have an issue.
Later, some of those same people who had been defending Spuhr for years and trying to pass the blame onto the installer and who had been telling those of us who experienced failures that we didn't know what we were doing experienced a failure or two themselves and suddenly they started dumping their own Spuhrs they had defended for years and started jumping on the bandwagon saying they were crap... funny how firsthand experience changes their tune. One of our more vocal know it all members here went so far as to say (summarized): "you are all idiots and Sphur is too, mine have never failed, but I only tighten the clamp bars to 25 in-lb because that's all they need and Hakan was an idiot for specifying 45 in-lb in the instructions, you have to be smarter than the engineers." Frank himself then blasted that guy for moving the goalposts when he flipped from defending Spuhr to bashing them after witnessing a few failures (and it was fun to see how he responded to Frank, lol.) Frank also said it's been a known issue for years, confirming something many of us have known for a while.
I had 5 out of 11 of my Spuhrs crack the clamp bars over the time of about 10 years, from when I bought my first one back around 2012 until around 2023 when clamp bar #5 cracked and I finally decided I had enough and sold them all off because I was tired of warranty exchanging clamp bars after pulling a rifle out of the safe to go shoot and finding yet another cracked clamp bar.
It's luck of the draw, too. A friend of mine has 6 Spuhrs still in service (3 mounts, 3 sets of rings) for about the same amount of time that I used Spuhr and has had no failures at all. The funny part is, I installed all of his scopes into those Spuhrs for him using the exact same methods and torque driver that I used on my mounts that had 5 out of 11 clamp bars crack... so maybe it's my rifles that are cursed, lol
I saw a recent thread here where someone bought a new Spuhr and it came with steel clamp bars, but they commented that the steel clamp bars put divots in their scope rail.
Back somewhat on topic, I have one of my Razor G3s set to be 6 mils up from the elevation limit (leaving 30 mils to dial) and I don't notice any difference in optical performance from some of my other Razor G3s that are installed on less cant and have about 24 mils elevation remaining from zero.
Later, some of those same people who had been defending Spuhr for years and trying to pass the blame onto the installer and who had been telling those of us who experienced failures that we didn't know what we were doing experienced a failure or two themselves and suddenly they started dumping their own Spuhrs they had defended for years and started jumping on the bandwagon saying they were crap... funny how firsthand experience changes their tune. One of our more vocal know it all members here went so far as to say (summarized): "you are all idiots and Sphur is too, mine have never failed, but I only tighten the clamp bars to 25 in-lb because that's all they need and Hakan was an idiot for specifying 45 in-lb in the instructions, you have to be smarter than the engineers." Frank himself then blasted that guy for moving the goalposts when he flipped from defending Spuhr to bashing them after witnessing a few failures (and it was fun to see how he responded to Frank, lol.) Frank also said it's been a known issue for years, confirming something many of us have known for a while.
I had 5 out of 11 of my Spuhrs crack the clamp bars over the time of about 10 years, from when I bought my first one back around 2012 until around 2023 when clamp bar #5 cracked and I finally decided I had enough and sold them all off because I was tired of warranty exchanging clamp bars after pulling a rifle out of the safe to go shoot and finding yet another cracked clamp bar.
It's luck of the draw, too. A friend of mine has 6 Spuhrs still in service (3 mounts, 3 sets of rings) for about the same amount of time that I used Spuhr and has had no failures at all. The funny part is, I installed all of his scopes into those Spuhrs for him using the exact same methods and torque driver that I used on my mounts that had 5 out of 11 clamp bars crack... so maybe it's my rifles that are cursed, lol
I saw a recent thread here where someone bought a new Spuhr and it came with steel clamp bars, but they commented that the steel clamp bars put divots in their scope rail.
Back somewhat on topic, I have one of my Razor G3s set to be 6 mils up from the elevation limit (leaving 30 mils to dial) and I don't notice any difference in optical performance from some of my other Razor G3s that are installed on less cant and have about 24 mils elevation remaining from zero.
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Appreciate that Kiba, that makes perfect sense to me. I only have a couple Spuhr’s because I generally pick other rings and mounts (mostly ARC) but I’m a QD guy so most of my Spuhr’s have been QD and maybe that’s the difference and part of why I haven’t run into similar issues? I have no skin in the game because I try not to be a fan boy of any particular brand, but thought it strange that I’ve seen so much negative chatter about Spuhr lately, but maybe I just haven’t paid enough attention until now.
It isn't fishy. People just got tired of dealing with it when there's so many other good mounts on the market that don't have those issues. I can spend $400 and hope that it's not going to crack or spend less money and get something rock solid.
While the Spuhr ring caps have cracked too and you can find pictures of that, the caps seem to fail at a much, much lower rate than the clamp bars. I can't recall a single post anywhere about a cracked Spuhr QD clamp bar-- so you should be good. I haven't modeled anything to check the numbers, but just based off my gut feeling looking at the QD mounts with those short levers on the QD clamps you aren't putting nearly as much clamping load on the clamp bar as the regular mounts with 4 screws torqued at 45 in-lb (or 5 screws as on the newest ones.)
I really liked my Spuhrs, which is part of the reason I waited until 5 clamp bars cracked before I dumped them. If I was a sane and rational individual I would have sold them all after the second failure...
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