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Prefit match barrels with test target?

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Are there any makers of prefit matchbarrels in the US that test accuracy before shipping and include test target in the shipment?
Should be no problem for barrels in 308 and 6.5CM.
This practice is quite common in Europe.

This is a test target that came with a Sauer SSG3000 6.5x55 match barrel. 5 shots with Raufoss ammo loaded with Sierra 144gr SMK.
W50330 is serial nr on the barrel:

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I’ve yet to see any but doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. But I’m sure they refrain from doing so due to so many variables involved. What if the end user doesn’t know how to shoot? What if they don’t know how to reload? What if the factory ammo selection sucks? I’m sure the gunsmith/manufacturer doesn’t want to waste time with people claiming their barrel is “broken.”
 
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I guess if you're willing to pay for the added time and ammo...

The reason why you don't really see that in the US is that there are a lot of quality gunsmiths in every state that can take a reputable barrel manufacturer's blank, and chamber a prefit out of it so well that it maximizes full potential. When you add the extra step in the process, you're going to price yourself above the competition.

That doesn't mean that your test target business model will necessarily fail. It just puts you into a niche where the target (pun intended) segment is much smaller. Heck, we have guys willing to pay 1.5 times the price for a hunting rifle and ammo...just because they didn't have to spend the hour to put it together themselves (Gunwerks).

Any quality gunsmith here will without hesitation take a barrel back that isn't performing and inspect it.
 
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Yeah, I have not seen it. This would drive up the cost of the barrel by at least a hundred dollars or more and prove very little. You are already paying for the reputation of the barrel blank maker and the the gunsmith who chambered it. I know I would not pay for it. The guy would have to have a dedicated tester who spins up the barrel onto a pre-mounted test action, fire it with factory ammo, retrieve the target, clean the barrel? All without accidentally damaging it) and ensure that the two are never separated. Way too many variables and too much effort/time for a volume business where people already complain about lead time and cost.
 
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Never got a test target and never wanted one from the many prefits I have gotten. Why? I am getting them from trusted companies or companies I know. Having to make them take their time and money to shoot a 5 shot group is going to add an unwanted cost to me and also time they could be making barrels. And as we all know the first 5 shots out of a new barrel tells you nothing.

Hard pass on test targets.
 
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I know for sure that a few Anschutz riles and every JP rifle I had bought came with a test target but that reflects the accuracy of the rifle system not just the barrel, IMO. Test target for a prefit barrel may be misleading to the buyer if they suck at reloading or even trigger pulling.
 
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diggler1833 said:
I guess if you're willing to pay for the added time and ammo...

The reason why you don't really see that in the US is that there are a lot of quality gunsmiths in every state that can take a reputable barrel manufacturer's blank, and chamber a prefit out of it so well that it maximizes full potential. When you add the extra step in the process, you're going to price yourself above the competition.

That doesn't mean that your test target business model will necessarily fail. It just puts you into a niche where the target (pun intended) segment is much smaller. Heck, we have guys willing to pay 1.5 times the price for a hunting rifle and ammo...just because they didn't have to spend the hour to put it together themselves (Gunwerks).

Any quality gunsmith here will without hesitation take a barrel back that isn't performing and inspect it.
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You add for production time and ammo, but you eliminate the cost and wait time for a gunsmith.
Why use a gunsmith when the parts fit together in such a way that the shooter can do it by himself?
 
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I am not a profit barrel guy but since every rifle is basically a tuning fork and changing the action would change the tune, why would a group shot with another action prove other than that barrel is not a turf on that action? I mean it won’t indicate it will shoot tiny groups on your action in your stock.
I am an old school guy. I understand pre fits shoot great but man it’s hard to beat a GAP, Terry Cros, Spartan Precision or Tac Ops built rifle

But I understand the profits shoot good enough. Especially if you have barrel burner and change barrels a great deal more than I do To me it’s a step up from factory rifles but step down from great built rifles

I use profits in ARs but generally get one with refitted bolt which

So I don’t see an advantage to the test target shot with barrel from a different target

Especially knowing the companies producing pre fits have good track records of replacing dud barrels if they won’t shoot for end user

Not an argument because this is not something I normally do

Now I have a Surgeon action and a smith who can make any barrel to fit perfectly but he has exact dimensions of my action taken from my action. So any plus or minus dimensions are accounted for
 
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TorF said:
This practice is quite common in Europe.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's also quite common - if not mandatory - in much of Europe for barrels to be proof tested before being shipped out. There's no such requirement here in the states, so it's more the exception than the norm for barrel makers / gunsmiths to put rounds through the customer's brand new shiny barrel.
 
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I ordered the barrel for my most recent build from Bugholes. A 30” 7PRC throated for the heaviest projectiles. They didn’t need my action because the tolerances for most of the best actions out there now are so consistent that one need only send in your action if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.

I spun on the barrel and it’s has been a hammer right from the start. That’s what I would expect from any of the decent barrel suppliers around these days. No rounds fired through the barrel before I spun it on.

Does that qualify as a prefit in your book or do you consider it custom since they are gunsmiths?

Bottom line is, in the U.S. market it’s not a necessity. If that’s what you desire, I don’t doubt that there are smiths that will provide it for a price, but as already said, what does that guarantee unless they have your action? Then, is it a prefit?

It’s a changing market and a great time for those in the precision rifle community. Times, they are a’changing.
 
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lash said:
Does that qualify as a prefit in your book or do you consider it custom since they are gunsmiths?
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For me... I'd call it a custom. Custom dimensions, done as a one-off to your specs. 'Pre-fits', at least in my mind, are more generalized - a 'standard' reamer for a common cartridge like 6.5CM (or whatever) made en masse. They still might be very high quality, and very consistent from one to the next, but they're more of a 'batch' process.
 
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If a gunsmith does not need YOUR action to produce a barrel then it is a prefit. These days you are able to specify manufacturer, length, contour and freebore required for your prefit. Not much, if any, difference between a quality prefit and a custom chambered blank anymore.
 
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memilanuk said:
For me... I'd call it a custom. Custom dimensions, done as a one-off to your specs. 'Pre-fits', at least in my mind, are more generalized - a 'standard' reamer for a common cartridge like 6.5CM (or whatever) made en masse. They still might be very high quality, and very consistent from one to the next, but they're more of a 'batch' process.
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You are just parsing words now. I can even ask Northland to send me a Criterion prefit for an action with differing chamber specs, within reason. PVA sells hundreds of prefit barrels and you can again ask for a variety of chamber options, barrel lengths, etc. with them.

I disagree with your narrow definition in case that wasn’t clear. You are using PVA’s special runs of sale prefit barrels as your gauge. I highly doubt that exists in Europe when they buy prefit barrels.

Edited to add: my 7PRC referenced above wasn’t ‘custom’ dimensions. I had an option of chamber specs to choose from. No special reamer required.
 
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MikeMiller said:
I am not a profit barrel guy but since every rifle is basically a tuning fork and changing the action would change the tune, why would a group shot with another action prove other than that barrel is not a turf on that action? I mean it won’t indicate it will shoot tiny groups on your action in your stock.
I am an old school guy. I understand pre fits shoot great but man it’s hard to beat a GAP, Terry Cros, Spartan Precision or Tac Ops built rifle

But I understand the profits shoot good enough. Especially if you have barrel burner and change barrels a great deal more than I do To me it’s a step up from factory rifles but step down from great built rifles

I use profits in ARs but generally get one with refitted bolt which

So I don’t see an advantage to the test target shot with barrel from a different target

Especially knowing the companies producing pre fits have good track records of replacing dud barrels if they won’t shoot for end user

Not an argument because this is not something I normally do

Now I have a Surgeon action and a smith who can make any barrel to fit perfectly but he has exact dimensions of my action taken from my action. So any plus or minus dimensions are accounted for
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Crap auto correct is killing me. Profit should be prefit. Turf should be Turd
 
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Rob01 said:
Sure it is. Someone has to thread and chamber the blank. You think they are formed in a mold that way? lol A riflesmith does all that work and builds the prefit to a spec for your action.
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Yes, barrels can be formed in a mold. The Blaser barrels for the Sauer SSG3000 have hammerforged rifling, hammerforged chamber and hammerforged profile. All in one. Untouched by human hands. Ready to shoot as a prefit dropin barrel at app 40% less cost than a gunsmith fitted barrel to a std action.
With modern production equipment there should be no problem having "M700" actions and barrels made to a set of fixed specs so the shooter himself can assemble a top quality chassis rifle from separate parts in 30 to 45 minutes.
The IHMSA silhouetters had it like this with their TC Contenders. Ultimate flexibility. I just don't understand why this is not a possibility for rifleshooters using the "700" platform today.
 
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TorF said:
Yes, the Blaser barrels for the SSG3000 have hammerforged riflling, hammerforged chamber and hammerforged profile. All in one. Ready to shoot as a prefit dropin barrel at app 40% less cost than a gunsmith fitted barrel to a std action.
With modern production equipment there should be no problem having "M700" actions and barrels made to a set of fixed specs so the shooter himself can assemble a top quality rifle from separate parts in 30 to 45 minutes.
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Almost every aftermarket 700-footprint action can accept a prefit here. They are made to tighter tolerances.

That machining takes time and money, so you won't find that on a $600 US rifle.

You can't compare a Blaser to a Remington/Savage/Roger. But you can compare the actions to a Impact/Terminus/Lone Peak/Defiance/Zermatt etc... etc... What you want, these can provide.

What is your cost right now for the barrel you are promoting? I can do the conversion amount.
 
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Yes, these are Blaser barrels custom ordered for the Sauer STR/SSG3000.

All barrels her are dropin ready to race.

Exchange rate $1 = NOK11.1

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Prices listed are included 25% sales tax..

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diggler1833 said:
Almost every aftermarket 700-footprint action can accept a prefit here. They are made to tighter tolerances.

That machining takes time and money, so you won't find that on a $600 US rifle.

You can't compare a Blaser to a Remington/Savage/Roger. But you can compare the actions to a Impact/Terminus/Lone Peak/Defiance/Zermatt etc... etc... What you want, these can provide.

What is your cost right now for the barrel you are promoting? I can do the conversion amount.
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They have uniform tight machining tolerances yes and prefits ( ability to install it yourself) are available. There are also places where you can buy the prefits off the shelf ($1000 or so for the most common configurations) they sell rather quickly and you have to look/wait for them. Most of use here have specific requirements and it is often easier to find a barrel blank from one of our favorite makers (Bartlein, Proof, CRB, Krieger, ect) find our favorite gunsmith and have it finished the way we want it (length, chamber spec, color, threading, ect) wait a few weeks and install it ourselves. For rifles like a factory Remington, savage Ruger none of this is possible. There are nut barrels where the threads match but you use a nut on the barrel to set headspace but as a matter of course you send them to a gunsmith who will measure the action and cut a barrel to fit it and install it. It all comes down to cost. The average American ( most here do not fall in this camp) shooter want a rifle to go hunting, shoot beer cans, throw it in the truck and wants cheap, “accurate”, durable and the companies supply it in large quantities for 6-900 dollars plus optics. If the barrel wears out they cuss at it say what crud it is and head to local box store and buy another and a box of ammo. No targets provided.
 
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oldrifleman said:
They have uniform tight machining tolerances yes and prefits ( ability to install it yourself) are available. There are also places where you can buy the prefits off the shelf ($1000 or so for the most common configurations) they sell rather quickly and you have to look/wait for them. Most of use here have specific requirements and it is often easier to find a barrel blank from one of our favorite makers (Bartlein, Proof, CRB, Krieger, ect) find our favorite gunsmith and have it finished the way we want it (length, chamber spec, color, threading, ect) wait a few weeks and install it ourselves. For rifles like a factory Remington, savage Ruger none of this is possible. There are nut barrels where the threads match but you use a nut on the barrel to set headspace but as a matter of course you send them to a gunsmith who will measure the action and cut a barrel to fit it and install it. It all comes down to cost. The average American ( most here do not fall in this camp) shooter want a rifle to go hunting, shoot beer cans, throw it in the truck and wants cheap, “accurate”, durable and the companies supply it in large quantities for 6-900 dollars plus optics. If the barrel wears out they cuss at it say what crud it is and head to local box store and buy another and a box of ammo. No targets provided.
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I agree with you...but did you mean to quote me, or the other guy? 😄
 
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For us here in the USA verses you in Norway it is a MAJOR plus for us on Action availability, Barrel Blanks, Barrel Pre-Fits and Gun Smiths to do full customs.

We can call up or email most all popular to the PRS world Smiths and order a Pre-Fit barrel for our action. ** Most all of these are 700 based ** Zermatt Arms, Impact, Terminus, Defiance, Kelbly, Lone Peak or Curtis just to name a few. Easily have a barrel spun and in our hands is 6-8 weeks. Companies like Proof Research or Preferred Barrels also give us the option to build a Pre-Fit of whatever caliber, profile and twist they have ready to spin on when we get it. Preferred is 8-10 weeks for a Pre-Fit build how you want it. Proof Research has a big dealer base and typical common calibers are less than 2 weeks to your door. Average cost for any of these options are sub 800 for the barrel ready to spin on.

Clamp barrel in a vice and spin on action to torque it down. Then install trigger and stock or chassis of your choosing. Ready to go shoot. Lots of us in our gang yard range.

I for one as well as many others have stated would not pay for the extra time to have a Smith PRE shoot a barrel to tell me what it MIGHT be capable of. Thats 2-3 hours minimal time for them to do just that and it truly proves nothing. If I am just getting a replacement barrel for a caliber I already had. I just take the ammo I was shooting and that tells me what I want to know. I know the load was good in the old barrel so it should show promise in the new barrel. We all know this is going to change after 100 or so rounds down the tube as well.

To sum it all up I would never click the box to have a test target sent with a barrel and could truly care less. A quality barrel company making Pre-Fits is going to stand behind the barrel if it shoots Pie Plates instead of Nickels ( Most of us can't shoot dimes and say we do ALL DAY LONG. )
 
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TorF said:
Yes, barrels can be formed in a mold. The Blaser barrels for the Sauer SSG3000 have hammerforged rifling, hammerforged chamber and hammerforged profile. All in one. Untouched by human hands. Ready to shoot as a prefit dropin barrel at app 40% less cost than a gunsmith fitted barrel to a std action.
With modern production equipment there should be no problem having "M700" actions and barrels made to a set of fixed specs so the shooter himself can assemble a top quality chassis rifle from separate parts in 30 to 45 minutes.
The IHMSA silhouetters had it like this with their TC Contenders. Ultimate flexibility. I just don't understand why this is not a possibility for rifleshooters using the "700" platform today.
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That day is now. I just got a barrel in and I can screw it on my action in about 10 min. I wouldn’t buy a hammer forged barrel anyways so glad they are the rage over there but not here.
 
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@Rob01

Hammer forged barrels are not a rage. Schultz & Larsen cut rifled barrels have probably 40% of the market for the STR/SSG3000 rifles and they are in the same price range as the above mentioned barrels.

The transition from old std bolt action target rifles (assorted Mausers, Krags, etc.) to a modern rifle with "open source" qd barrel interface 40 years ago let average Joe easily change barrel himself in 10 min. And due to design the norm is that average Joe expect .4 to .5 10-shot groups with factory ammo in a industrial made drop in barrel that cost $500. Who cares about the production methods? Very few. What is important is barrel longevity. Most top shooters go through 2 to 3 barrels every year and they don't need a gunsmith to do it. And they don't need to know anything about guns.

There are of course custom gunsmiths that make custom SSG3000 barrels for std and non std cartridges for the nerds at extra cost.

With modern production techniques this kind of flexibility and performance should be available for the 700 platform at the same cost. I wouldn't mind getting 3 dropin hammerforged Blaser match barrels in 6mmCM for a Defiance action for $1500.
 
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TorF said:
@Rob01

Hammer forged barrels are not a rage. Schultz & Larsen cut rifled barrels have probably 40% of the market for the STR/SSG3000 rifles and they are in the same price range as the above mentioned barrels.

The transition from old std bolt action target rifles (assorted Mausers, Krags, etc.) to a modern rifle with "open source" qd barrel interface 40 years ago let average Joe easily change barrel himself in 10 min. And due to design the norm is that average Joe expect .4 to .5 10-shot groups with factory ammo in a industrial made drop in barrel that cost $500. Who cares about the production methods? Very few. What is important is barrel longevity. Most top shooters go through 2 to 3 barrels every year and they don't need a gunsmith to do it. And they don't need to know anything about guns.

There are of course custom gunsmiths that make custom SSG3000 barrels for std and non std cartridges for the nerds at extra cost.

With modern production techniques this kind of flexibility and performance should be available for the 700 platform at the same cost. I wouldn't mind getting 3 dropin hammerforged Blaser match barrels in 6mmCM for a Defiance action for $1500.
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So who is threading and chambering those cut rifled barrels?
 
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@Rob01
Schultz & Larsen in Denmark and Våpensmia in Norway.
These barrels are not threaded. They have the "action lockinglugs" milled in the barrel extention behind the chamber and have regular cut chambers. Same goes for Lothar Walther barrels.
These barrels are also made for prefit/dropin standards in the STR/SSG3000.

Steyr has actually gone a step further with their latest huntingrifle.
The barrel, chamber and complete action is hammered in one piece.
If Steyr wanted I bet they could have hammered a complete "700" one piece barreled action with rifling, chamber and action raceways in one go.

The Steyr Monoblock rifle is ugly as hell but the action and barrel is one piece. (they should have made it to look like a Wichita rifle)
And, like Blaser, they are unfortunatly trying to copy the Rolex business model in the hunting rifle market..
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TorF said:
Schultz & Larsen in Denmark and Våpensmia in Norway.
These barrels are not threaded. They have the "action lockinglugs" milled in the barrel extention behind the chamber and have regular cut chambers. Same goes for Lothar Walther barrels

Steyr has actually gone a step further with their latest huntingrifle.
The barrel, chamber and complete action is hammered in one piece.
If Steyr wanted I bet they could have hammered a complete "700" one piece barreled action with rifling, chamber and action raceways in one go.

The Monoblock rifle is ugly as hell but the action and barrel is one piece. (they should have made it to look like a Wichita rifle)
And, like Blaser, they are unfortunatly trying to copy the Rolex business model in the hunting rifle market..
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I wasn’t asking about those barrels. You said there were cut rifles barrels. So who is cutting the chambers, action threading and threading muzzles in the cut rifled barrels?

And you think Styer could hammer in chamber and action and muzzle threads and be as accurate as work done by a riflesmith?

And those hammer forged barrels you mentioned have milled lugs and are chambered by who? Guessing a riflesmith.
 
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Rob01 said:
So who is threading and chambering those cut rifled barrels?
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this is the point he keeps missing. At some point smith, be it a shop or at the factory, took the rifled barrel blank and decided this blank will be for this brand/model/ caliber and chambered it. He then cut the barrel tenon and threaded the muzzle. The company then shipped it. Here for the most part that is done at a gunsmith. The “Open Source” action drawings are available for almost every 700 clone. The difference between the two markets is that in the USA the enthusiast market makes up a flashy minority of the gun sales. The majority of hunters will never ever change a rifle barrel. The buy a new rifle fire 5-10 rounds to sight it in and go hunting. After the kill a deer or two they will maybe clean it, throw it in a case or in a closet corner until next year. When hunting season rollls around the head to the range with a box of ammo fire maybe 5 shots decide it’s good enough And go hunting again. Our production rifles are not intended to have the barrels switched, they are designed to a price point which is set by the box stores selling hundreds of them. As has been said many time here, the guns you see on this forum almost always have the standard ( for that action maker) dimensions.
 
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Schultz & Larsen are cutting the chambers and milling the lockinglugs on their own cut rifled blanks in Denmark.

Våpensmia, in Norway, cut chambers and mill lockinglugs on blanks from Schultz & Larsen, Heym and Lothar Walther.

Blaser hammerforges rifling and chamber in one go and then mill locking lugs in the barrel extention.
The only barrel Blaser make that are chambered the old fashioned way is barrels in 243win for the R8.
 
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TorF said:
Schultz & Larsen are cutting the chambers and milling the lockinglugs on their own cut rifled blanks in Denmark.

Våpensmia, in Norway, cut chambers and mill lockinglugs on blanks from Schultz & Larsen, Heym and Lothar Walther.
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So they supply a stock on the shelf barrel. That is fine. They are just taking the market from smaller barrel shops. That’s not a bad business model, it is just not one that Remington does find profitable. Impact, and others do the same here. You can buy Proof barrels off the shelf in many action configurations here. But back to the target question we in the USA find that unnecessary and a waste of money.
 
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TorF said:
Schultz & Larsen are cutting the chambers and milling the lockinglugs on their own cut rifled blanks in Denmark.

Våpensmia, in Norway, cut chambers and mill lockinglugs on blanks from Schultz & Larsen, Heym and Lothar Walther.

Blaser hammerforges rifling and chamber in one go and then mill locking lugs in the barrel extention.
The only barrel Blaser make that are chambered the old fashioned way is barrels in 243win.
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Yes. They are doing gunsmithing on them. Milling lugs and chambering. The point you don’t want to say. A rifle smith is doing machine work on them. They are not getting hammered with all that work. Just like when you order a prefit here. The smith takes a barrel blank and machines in the action and muzzle threads and chambers the barrel. Then they send it to you and you put it on your action.

And as mentioned we are not talking about some cheap factory rifle barrel. We are talking about match grade barrels.

And no a target is not needed.
 
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The Blaser matchbarrels is monstly untouched by human hands in the production process.
Producing barrels like this keeps the price down for a top quality product. I don't see a problem with that.

Here is a video from GFM that shows the principle of hammering a barrel with chamber.
Just think of all the HK G3 barrels that have been produced like this with flutes in the chamber.

 
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Your gun market is far different from ours. You gun buyers expect totally different things from the market than do ours. Our custom or high end action makers create a comparable product ( superior to a blaser but still high end). Our average buyers here in the USA don’t expect or want to pay for what you are describing. Guns are a commodity to be bought used and recycled. People on this forum and similar are the exceptions to the rule. Like we said many time what you expect in Norway can is available here in the USA just at a higher price point do to level of demand.
 
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TorF said:
With modern production techniques this kind of flexibility and performance should be available for the 700 platform at the same cost. I wouldn't mind getting 3 dropin hammerforged Blaser match barrels in 6mmCM for a Defiance action for $1500.
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You keep completely ignoring all of us that are telling you that that type of flexibility and performance IS available for the 700 platform. Just not from Blaser. When PVA does a volume run of, say 6.5mm barrels. You order the length, the caliber and twist rate that you want, and your action (tenon type).

They place the barrel in a machine and it is cut to length, chambered and the tenon and threads are cut. All on one CNC machine. No custom gunsmith required. All for around $600 USD.

Somehow, you feel that that’s not adequate, but I can promise you that these barrels shoot every bit as good as your blaser barrels.

I’m not sure exactly what it is that you are trying to convince us about.
 
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@lash
I'm not trying to convince anyone.
From the start I just wanted to know if I could buy an action, just let's say Defiance, and then buy 3 barrels from Brownells, put things together myself in 15 minutes and go shooting. And then maybe prioritize the barrels for competition and practice due to individual performance.
If the barrels had been testfired, and delivered with a test target, that would have been nice as a bonus.

The STR/SSG3000 is a heavy 2"/4" so I'd like the same functionality in a lighter package and different configuration at a reasonable cost.
 
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Then the answer is easy. Yes it is available. Again I use impact as the example but it is true for others as well. You can order an action, order barrels of your choice, screw them together and have fun. For most actions you will need a Barrel vise, torque wrench and action rod. But I have done a few. To get a true quick change capability you need an action like the Terminus Zues QC. This action allows you to leave the action in the stock, loosen two set screws, unscrew the barrel with your hand. You then take a compatible barrel hand tighten it into the action, tighten two set screws and shoot some more. You may have to change bolts as well. This is the same concept as used by Accuracy International precision rifles.
 
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TorF said:
From the start I just wanted to know if I could buy an action, just let's say Defiance, and then buy 3 barrels from Brownells, put things together myself in 15 minutes and go shooting. And then maybe prioritize the barrels for competition and practice due to individual performance.
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Yes, you can. Not every action is consistent enough, but those that are consistent enough to accept a prefit barrel.
They are available lots of other places as well as brownells. And for defiance, impact, Zermatt, arc, aero, lonepeak etc

Now, not everywhere has stuff on the shelf but proof for example only does certain configurations in order to get enough through put to tock on a shelf.
Many guys want something not default though, and so we get custom barrels where where I can specify twist, length, contour, chamber etc to my personal preferences.

I dont want a 26 inch MT, M24 or Heavy palma like the brownells options allow for. So I go to Patriot Valley Arms and get a custom 24inch heavy MTU contour and its to my door in a month or two.

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